Is Phaneuf overrated?

[zettie85 106]

It's about a week old. I first saw this on "That's Hockey". Didn't see a thread yet so I figured I would post. I can't even explain how happy I was to see this.

Finally people see him for what he is.

[cjm502 165]

He really is a sack of crap. I have always thought so. The media hype he gets - or used to get was out of control.

[newfy 695]

Now that he's playing in Toronto and I see a lot of hockey from the leafs in my area, he is FOR SURE overrated. He isn't the player he came into the league as. He has the occasional big hit, doesn't fight anymore and just doesn't have his swagger he once did.

In Calgary he used to be a guy that could play and play well, take your head off with a hit or punch it off. He just doesn't do any of that really anymore.

[Doc Holliday 1,888]

Honestly, I've never considered him overrated because apart from his Norris-nomination in 08, I haven't seen anyone rate him very high.

Perhaps Toronto, but this is the same media that ran Larry Murphy out of town and overrates all of their players. I wouldn't think of them as a source of information more than a band of bumbling idiots trying to pimp their sorry franchise.

[Broken 16 381]

A hated player was voted 'overrated' by his peers... wow... thats amazazing!

[zettie85 106]

Honestly, I've never considered him overrated because apart from his Norris-nomination in 08, I haven't seen anyone rate him very high.

Perhaps Toronto, but this is the same media that ran Larry Murphy out of town and overrates all of their players. I wouldn't think of them as a source of information more than a band of bumbling idiots trying to pimp their sorry franchise.

I had to live with Calgary media for the last 5 years. His rookie year was good but he's been a bust ever since. Unless of course you talk to Flames fans and listen to Pierre Maguire or watch CBC.

A hated player was voted 'overrated' by his peers... wow... thats amazazing!

Pronger and Avery not labeled overrated. They aren't. They are hated though, way more than Phaneuf.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

seems like most players are overrated by fans of the team. not too surprising

[zettie85 106]

seems like most players are overrated by fans of the team. not too surprising

This was an NHL player poll. Not a Leafs fan poll.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

well...uh... my point stands i guess

[Broken 16 381]

I had to live with Calgary media for the last 5 years. His rookie year was good but he's been a bust ever since. Unless of course you talk to Flames fans and listen to Pierre Maguire or watch CBC.

Pronger and Avery not labeled overrated. They aren't. They are hated though, way more than Phaneuf.

Uhhhh... didn't Avery make the list?

Lets see... Phaneuf went from one s***ty Canadian team (Calgary) to another s***ty Canadian team (the Leafs). Players are affected by their surroundings. Phaneuf would be a beast on the Wings.

[kylee 727]

seems like most players are overrated by fans of the team. not too surprising

ville leino is that you?

[zettie85 106]

Uhhhh... didn't Avery make the list?

Lets see... Phaneuf went from one s***ty Canadian team (Calgary) to another s***ty Canadian team (the Leafs). Players are affected by their surroundings. Phaneuf would be a beast on the Wings.

Ya. Only 5 percent but I have never heard of Sean Avery rated as an allstar. Nobody hates Wade Redden or Scott Gomez.

With his style he should have flourished in Calgary's system. Now that he is on Burkes team he is expected to do the same but so far he hasn't. He is indeed overpaid and overrated.

[Guest Crymson]

It's really too bad for Calgary that they had to endure both Phaneuf and Bouwmeester go totally downhill in performance.

Uhhhh... didn't Avery make the list?

Lets see... Phaneuf went from one s***ty Canadian team (Calgary) to another s***ty Canadian team (the Leafs). Players are affected by their surroundings. Phaneuf would be a beast on the Wings.

Phaneuf, for whatever reason, has over the last two seasons (this one included) become lazy and generally careless. He no longer plays with the same intensity and he no longer produces. To boot, he's a locker room cancer. How does this translate into him doing differently on any other team?

Edited April 5, 2010 by Crymson

[zettie85 106]

Umm...

That's exactly what I thought.

[Broken 16 381]

Umm...

Ummm what? I think he would be. It's an opinion.

[zettie85 106]

Ummm what? I think he would be. It's an opinion.

True. He just doesn't seem like a team guy and wouldn't be a good fit.

[Guest Crymson]

Ummm what? I think he would be. It's an opinion.

I edited my post.

[Opie 308]

Honestly, I've never considered him overrated because apart from his Norris-nomination in 08, I haven't seen anyone rate him very high.

Perhaps Toronto, but this is the same media that ran Larry Murphy out of town and overrates all of their players. I wouldn't think of them as a source of information more than a band of bumbling idiots trying to pimp their sorry franchise.

Bingo!

Doc I can always count on you, other than 08 I have only heard people questioning his abilities, he is a decent 3-4 d-man, A Brad Stuart if you will, excels with great partners, decent offense and solid d.

I would probably take Stuart over Phanuef right now, only because I am kind of partial to Stuart and I think he compliments so many Red Wings D-men that he just fits here too well to replace.

Not that anyone was suggesting a trade I just made the comparison.

[Guest Shoreline]

I can see why peers would think Phaneuf is overrated, however, a player poll if someone is overrated is not really proof they are, especially when they vote for Sidney Crosby. I've followed the guy since he was in juniors, his game in the last few seasons has dropped off a bit, not exactly sure why, but he is still a top 2 defenseman, has a hell of a shot, is a great passer (especially first/outlet pass) and is always a threat to knock someone's head off. The kind of chip on his shoulder and game he has is, in fact, something the Wings could use.

[Broken 16 381]

The guy has the tools. We've all seen them. To imply that he is a lost cause and will never find a situation that suits him and brings the best out of him is just hate for the sake of hate.

[Blaayze 25]

but... but... what about "DoUbLE DiON"!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Mu8em_fkg

I kid, I kid, yes he is an over-rated bag of used pucks.

[GMRwings1983 8,794]

It's really too bad for Calgary that they had to endure both Phaneuf and Bouwmeester go totally downhill in performance.

Phaneuf, for whatever reason, has over the last two seasons (this one included) become lazy and generally careless. He no longer plays with the same intensity and he no longer produces. To boot, he's a locker room cancer. How does this translate into him doing differently on any other team?

Whatever reason?

There's your reason wise guy.

Edited April 5, 2010 by GMRwings1983

[toby91_ca 620]

I can see why peers would think Phaneuf is overrated, however, a player poll if someone is overrated is not really proof they are, especially when they vote for Sidney Crosby. I've followed the guy since he was in juniors, his game in the last few seasons has dropped off a bit, not exactly sure why, but he is still a top 2 defenseman, has a hell of a shot, is a great passer (especially first/outlet pass) and is always a threat to knock someone's head off. The kind of chip on his shoulder and game he has is, in fact, something the Wings could use.

As others have mentioned, I always look at it from the perspetive of how someone is rated. I think you can be the best player in the world and still be overrated.

[zettie85 106]

If you are the future of the franchise and then you are traded away for 3rd liners because your ego has ripped apart a dressing room and you can't even lead by example on the ice yet still get credit as an allstar by the media because of random blips of decent play, you might be overrated.

[Broken 16 381]

If you are the future of the franchise and then you are traded away for 3rd liners because your ego has ripped apart a dressing room and you can't even lead by example on the ice yet still get credit as an allstar by the media because of random blips of decent play, you might be overrated.

So he's a loser for life because he ripped apart a weak locker room? That's silly.

If he was that bad in the locker room, then that is more a symptom of a weak locker room.

As Shoreline and I mentioned, he has a lot of tools and a mean streak when properly motivated. All it will take is the right situation or organization. Calgary and Toronto offer neither, imo.

Edited April 5, 2010 by Broken 16