Will Buttman try to fix the playoffs?

[Guest Shoreline]

All this crying about the refs and the playoffs have not even started yet. Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

Edited April 12, 2010 by Shoreline

[Dimaline312000 51]

It wouldn't suprise me if the Butthead did try to fix the Playoffs especially our series wit th Yotes. I will say that I was hoping to not have the play the Yotes in the first round because I was actualy going to root for them in the West depending on how far Detroit made it in the playoffs. I was hoping for the Canucks but that didn't happen. I'd be very disgusted if this was a special teams series for either team. I say just let the teams play what happens happens; don't try to screw or help any teams. Let the Man Up Stairs handle things after all he know's best I beleive. Let's Go Red Wings!!

[Icesurfer 75]

yep..... 4 minute no-call on hit to Lidstrom's face... I would have liked to see the elbowing by Kronwall... versus showed no replay of that.

Edited April 15, 2010 by Icesurfer

[titanium2 867]

Wow. Can't believe that no call. What the hell was that all about? We deserve our tinfoil hats after that bulls***.

[Carman 387]

It's not a conspiracy, it's just absolute s*** reffing. Chris Lee is awful, just ******* awful.

[sixer 37]

Gary Buttman definitely influences the refs, several refs have even come out and stated this in a certain manner of words. He wants to keep things close, grow hockey in other cities, develop the stars he wants, etc.

[VM1138 1,921]

I can't say that the refs unfairly sided with Phoenix. Detroit had many more penalties. It's not the refs fault that Detroit forgot to put players on the ice for their penalty kill. They should have called 4 minutes on the spear against Lidstrom but let's face it, they miss things.

I do however join some of the conspiracy theories. The NHL in general is poorly officiated and disciplined. I do think the league owning Phoenix creates a conflict of interest but we have yet to really see it. Wait until the series is on the line and then we'll get the phantom calls against us and goals disallowed.

[dirtydangles 1,328]

lids no call, kronwall interference.... thats all i have to say after tonight. he stuck his ass out for god sakes... weak. lids is a superstar who deserves respect and a no call on a cut face?? thats f***ed up.

this cant happen for another 3 games or there is something so wrong with the nhl that i will stop watching it.

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/04/06/caps-vs-pens-the-fix-is-in/

check these stats out for a 7 game series last year when bettman wanted the pens to win the playoffs....

[Heroes of Hockeytown 694]

The Lidstrom high-stick non-call is pretty ******* baffling, considering it happened right where the puck was. Not one set of striped eyeballs in the house caught that? Jesus. Would've been 4 minutes plus a minute and change of 5-on-3.

[bdavis 28]

According to the ref, it was Fil's stick that hit Lidstrom... Wow, they need some glasses, or need to remove the blinders. Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk.

[titanium2 867]

According to the ref, it was Fil's stick that hit Lidstrom... Wow, they need some glasses, or need to remove the blinders. Oh well, no use crying over spilled milk.

I seriously think the refs speak their own language.

"It was someone else's stick."

"Intent to blow the whistle."

"We didn't notice the too many men penalty even though we had 30+ seconds."

I need to study up on this language. Might be useful.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

It's not a conspiracy, it's just absolute s*** reffing. Chris Lee is awful, just ******* awful.

^ This.

This x 1000.

There's no side agendas and it is so fricken irritating to see fans think there is some sort of conspiracy theories going on.

Phoenix definitely deserved to win that game last night, but I was absolutely shocked nothing was called there late last night. And it's not like they missed it, we've definitely seen accidental high sticks been missed before by the refs eyes. I wouldn't have so much beef with that, but they CONSULTED whether he was high sticked or not. They saw it from a matter of feet away. And they do NOTHING.

Now, would the outcome of the game been different? Perhaps not. But the Wings go on a 4-on-3 PP there late, and either 5-on-4 or 5-on-3 after. Odds are significantly improved for them to possibly tie the game up late.

The referees were extremely good up until that point. It irritates the hell out of me when referees play a bigger hand than necessary in determining the outcome of a game with obvious blown calls like that.

[KrazyGangsta 79]

^ This.

This x 1000.

There's no side agendas and it is so fricken irritating to see fans think there is some sort of conspiracy theories going on.

Phoenix definitely deserved to win that game last night, but I was absolutely shocked nothing was called there late last night. And it's not like they missed it, we've definitely seen accidental high sticks been missed before by the refs eyes. I wouldn't have so much beef with that, but they CONSULTED whether he was high sticked or not. They saw it from a matter of feet away. And they do NOTHING.

Now, would the outcome of the game been different? Perhaps not. But the Wings go on a 4-on-3 PP there late, and either 5-on-4 or 5-on-3 after. Odds are significantly improved for them to possibly tie the game up late.

The referees were extremely good up until that point. It irritates the hell out of me when referees play a bigger hand than necessary in determining the outcome of a game with obvious blown calls like that.

:clap: :clap:

[toby91_ca 620]

lids no call, kronwall interference.... thats all i have to say after tonight. he stuck his ass out for god sakes... weak. lids is a superstar who deserves respect and a no call on a cut face?? thats f***ed up.

this cant happen for another 3 games or there is something so wrong with the nhl that i will stop watching it.

http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/04/06/caps-vs-pens-the-fix-is-in/

check these stats out for a 7 game series last year when bettman wanted the pens to win the playoffs....

You can either complain by looking at stats, or complain because you watched the games, you can't have it both ways. If you watched the Pens vs. Caps series last year, you would have seen domination by the Pens, the only reason it went 7 was because of Ovechkin and Varlamov (or however you spell his name). Washington took more penalties, but they were deserved, not sure what else you can say.

If you simply want to look at the stats, then you'd look at last night's game and see that Phoenix had 7 penalities called against them and Detroit only had 5. Take whatever view you want, but you look silly looking at things different ways to suite the beef you are going with.

The missed high stick was a bad call, no doubt, but bad calls happen. The interference on Kronwall was legit, not sure what the compaint is there. Fact of the matter is, sometimes a guy gets hit in the face with his teammates stick and it's called, some high sticks just aren't seen and others are legitimate penalties but the refs think it was a teammate.....calls get blown.

I'm not going to go as far as to say the refs are bad, because I know hockey is the most difficult sport to officiate. Everything is happening so fast and the puck is moving so fast. We all get the benefit of slow motion replays that we can point to and judge the refs, but they are calling in full speed and usually out of the corner of their eyes, not staring at the full play on screen just looking for something they missed.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but it's year after year, after year complaining about the refs and it is getting downright sickening. I've seen other fans of other teams start to complain only to have someone say that they are starting to sound like Wings fans. It's incredibly annoying to hear, but if you think about it for a minute, they kinda have a point.

[SouthernWingsFan 854]

You can either complain by looking at stats, or complain because you watched the games, you can't have it both ways. If you watched the Pens vs. Caps series last year, you would have seen domination by the Pens, the only reason it went 7 was because of Ovechkin and Varlamov (or however you spell his name). Washington took more penalties, but they were deserved, not sure what else you can say.

If you simply want to look at the stats, then you'd look at last night's game and see that Phoenix had 7 penalities called against them and Detroit only had 5. Take whatever view you want, but you look silly looking at things different ways to suite the beef you are going with.

The missed high stick was a bad call, no doubt, but bad calls happen. The interference on Kronwall was legit, not sure what the compaint is there. Fact of the matter is, sometimes a guy gets hit in the face with his teammates stick and it's called, some high sticks just aren't seen and others are legitimate penalties but the refs think it was a teammate.....calls get blown.

I'm not going to go as far as to say the refs are bad, because I know hockey is the most difficult sport to officiate. Everything is happening so fast and the puck is moving so fast. We all get the benefit of slow motion replays that we can point to and judge the refs, but they are calling in full speed and usually out of the corner of their eyes, not staring at the full play on screen just looking for something they missed.

I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but it's year after year, after year complaining about the refs and it is getting downright sickening. I've seen other fans of other teams start to complain only to have someone say that they are starting to sound like Wings fans. It's incredibly annoying to hear, but if you think about it for a minute, they kinda have a point.

More often than not, I can live with bad calls or missed calls as they are usually inevitable. Accidental high stick when you don't have eyes in the back of your head, I can live with accidentally missing stuff that's pretty hard to see. Human error is inevitable in stuff like this, I get that, understand, and try more often than not to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they are right there though with something that should be an obvious call, have a discussion for a decent amount of time between dead whistles though, and still don't get it right, that irritates the hell out of me. They did a great job the whole game both ways until that point, and it's unfortunate that it was a big, big error.

[Icesurfer 75]

More often than not, I can live with bad calls or missed calls as they are usually inevitable. Accidental high stick when you don't have eyes in the back of your head, I can live with accidentally missing stuff that's pretty hard to see. Human error is inevitable in stuff like this, I get that, understand, and try more often than not to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they are right there though with something that should be an obvious call, have a discussion for a decent amount of time between dead whistles though, and still don't get it right, that irritates the hell out of me. They did a great job the whole game both ways until that point, and it's unfortunate that it was a big, big error.

All eyes were also on the faceoff on the winning goal. And Doan CLEARLY obstructed Helm, who is a great shot blocker and was heading to the front of the net and would have challenged the Morris blast. They never seem to miss those obstruction calls on the faceoffs, but they missed this one.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

how bout them phantom calls on phoenix

[Electrophile 3,554]

Conspiracy theories? Really? Oh brother. If we lose, it's because we got outplayed or we were injured and couldn't compensate or some combination of both, not because there was a "fix" in.

Take off the tin foil hat, please.

[toby91_ca 620]

All eyes were also on the faceoff on the winning goal. And Doan CLEARLY obstructed Helm, who is a great shot blocker and was heading to the front of the net and would have challenged the Morris blast. They never seem to miss those obstruction calls on the faceoffs, but they missed this one.

To be honest, on that play, Helm really looked to be trying to buy a call there. Had it been Crosby, everyone would be calling him a diver.

There is always interference type plays on face offs and sometimes there are calls and sometimes there are not. The key is positioning. If you have position on a guy, they generally give you the benefit of the doubt and allow you to "defend" that position - to me, it's still interference, but I can understand the logic. They'll call the intereference, which I've seen several times off draws, when a guy is about to get a step on you and you impede his progress ever so slightly.

Edited April 15, 2010 by toby91_ca

[esteef 2,679]

I love how everyone dogpiling on Icesurfer are CERTAIN there is no funny business going on. Like you guys even have a clue what's really going on in the league behind closed doors. I wonder how many people were saying the same thing before that NBA ref got busted for fixing games?

esteef

Edited April 15, 2010 by esteef

[Electrophile 3,554]

I love how everyone dogpiling on Icesurfer are CERTAIN there is no funny business going on. Like you guys even have a clue what's really going on in the league behind closed doors. I wonder how many people were saying the same thing before that NBA ref got busted for fixing games?

esteef

In order for there to be a conspiracy, there needs to be competence. If you can tell me with a straight face that the NHL brass is competent, you should take those skills to Vegas and bluff your way to a couple million bucks.

[toby91_ca 620]

I love how everyone dogpiling on Icesurfer are CERTAIN there is no funny business going on. Like you guys even have a clue what's really going on in the league behind closed doors. I wonder how many people were saying the same thing before that NBA ref got busted for fixing games?

esteef

A ref trying to impact a game is more believable, the league itself trying to fix games....not so much.

If you really think about it, the league as a whole makes more money if the Wings move on rather than Phoenix, so I'm not sure why the league would try to fix it such that Phoenix advances. There's more to it than that and there are likely reasons the league would want Phoenix to move on, but to think that the league itself would actually try to pull strings to make that happen is beyond rationale.

[Carman 387]

I love how everyone dogpiling on Icesurfer are CERTAIN there is no funny business going on. Like you guys even have a clue what's really going on in the league behind closed doors. I wonder how many people were saying the same thing before that NBA ref got busted for fixing games?

esteef

[cusimano_brothers 1,655]

Oh, and this type of conspiracy thinking is going to be impossible to ignore since the NHL owns the Coyotes and they employ the refs. That's why it's not ideal for the league to own a team-- it's a clear conflict of interest. Whether they do something wrong or not people will still have suspicions.

From Toronto Star :

...

Bettman took a few moments before the game to answer questions, the most popular being: If the Coyotes won the Cup, whose name would go down as owner on the inscription?

“My name, (deputy commissioner) Bill Daly’s name and the 29 owners in the league will not be on the Cup,” said Bettman, chuckling at the prospect. “If the Coytoes are fortunate to go the distance, it will start with (president) Doug Moss and (GM Don) Maloney.

“I’m not the owner of the club. The club is owned by the other 29 clubs.”

...

[edicius 3,269]

So if they win, he'll hand the Cup to Crosby first because hey, it's everybody's Cup!