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#61 Finnish Wing

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 07:44 PM

Vancouver Olympics 2010 were considered the best of the best so far. Scoring the OT winner in the gold medal game is pretty big goal IMO.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 07:47 PM

Personally, I think they should figure out a system where goaltenders have their own "Hart" trophy. Or have two Hart trophies, one for the goalie, one for the forward. Their is no way on earth you could ever say Henrik, or Crosby is more valuable too their team then Miller for example. Or maybe just make it a forward only category, just have the Vezina. You could make a decent argument for why a dozen goaltenders in the league should be considered for the Hart.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:52 PM

Get over your hate for Crosby, it's not healthy to hate the sport...


Hate the sport? I dislike Crosby because he's Mr Good Guy when everything's going his way and he's a whiny little punk when things aren't going his way. He matched Ovechkin in points, has just one more goal while playing in 9 more games. As for importance to the team, the Capitals don't win the Presidents trophy without Ovechkin. They would probably be 4th or 5th best team in the conference... maybe. As for Crosby's importance, when he got injured a couple years ago and Malkin was the top gun, he almost carried the team to the 1st seed in the East. Earlier this year Malkin missed 7 games, during that time Crosby scored zero goals, had 3 assists, and was a -5. You tell me who's more important to the team. Seems like they miss Malkin a hell of a lot more when he's gone than Crosby.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:58 PM

Hate the sport? I dislike Crosby because he's Mr Good Guy when everything's going his way and he's a whiny little punk when things aren't going his way. He matched Ovechkin in points, has just one more goal while playing in 9 more games. As for importance to the team, the Capitals don't win the Presidents trophy without Ovechkin. They would probably be 4th or 5th best team in the conference... maybe. As for Crosby's importance, when he got injured a couple years ago and Malkin was the top gun, he almost carried the team to the 1st seed in the East. Earlier this year Malkin missed 7 games, during that time Crosby scored zero goals, had 3 assists, and was a -5. You tell me who's more important to the team. Seems like they miss Malkin a hell of a lot more when he's gone than Crosby.


He hates losing, it might not be a great thing but its something I could understand. If i was getting my ass handed to me in the stanley cup finals I'd be pissed too.

Ovechkin is just as bad in this respect, possibly worse since he begins to shun the media. Take a look at the recent olympics for an example, do you hate Ovechkin too?

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:35 PM

Hate the sport? I dislike Crosby because he's Mr Good Guy when everything's going his way and he's a whiny little punk when things aren't going his way. He matched Ovechkin in points, has just one more goal while playing in 9 more games. As for importance to the team, the Capitals don't win the Presidents trophy without Ovechkin. They would probably be 4th or 5th best team in the conference... maybe. As for Crosby's importance, when he got injured a couple years ago and Malkin was the top gun, he almost carried the team to the 1st seed in the East. Earlier this year Malkin missed 7 games, during that time Crosby scored zero goals, had 3 assists, and was a -5. You tell me who's more important to the team. Seems like they miss Malkin a hell of a lot more when he's gone than Crosby.

What does 2 years ago have to do with this year? Crosby missed only 1 game this year, they lost that game. He was there for all other games, which is a + when comparing to Ovechkin who wasn't there for 10 games.....therefore, couldn't help his team. Suggesting Washington would probably be 4th or 5th in the conference at best is nothing more than complete speculation, you can only go by facts and in the 10 games he was out, they had a better record than the 72 games he was in.

If you only consider these 2 guys, I vote for Ovechkin for Pearson, but I vote for Crosby for Hart.

When it comes right down to it, the Hart can be awarded to any 1 of 5 guys and you wouldn't have too many people questioning the result. I can't remember that ever being the case in the last number of years I've been watching.

Vancouver Olympics 2010 were considered the best of the best so far. Scoring the OT winner in the gold medal game is pretty big goal IMO.

Perhaps, but not sure why this would have any impact on Crosby's chances at an NHL award.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:54 PM

What does 2 years ago have to do with this year? Crosby missed only 1 game this year, they lost that game.


Maybe you didn't see this part...

Earlier this year Malkin missed 7 games, during that time Crosby scored zero goals, had 3 assists, and was a -5. You tell me who's more important to the team. Seems like they miss Malkin a hell of a lot more when he's gone than Crosby.


Crosby needs Malkin in order to be successful. If Malkin isn't there, Crosby is invisible. How can Crosby win an award as being the most valuable player when he's not the most valuable player to his team?

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 10:01 PM

Maybe you didn't see this part...



Crosby needs Malkin in order to be successful. If Malkin isn't there, Crosby is invisible. How can Crosby win an award as being the most valuable player when he's not the most valuable player to his team?


You really think Malkin and his 79 points is more valuable this year than Crosby?

This is exactly what I mean about the Crosby hate.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 10:06 PM

Maybe you didn't see this part...



Crosby needs Malkin in order to be successful. If Malkin isn't there, Crosby is invisible. How can Crosby win an award as being the most valuable player when he's not the most valuable player to his team?

I saw that part, but didn't understand the relevance. Crosby has done better with Malkin in the lineup than without....not sure what that shows from an MVP perspective. Also, there was a hell of a lot more than just Malkin missing for those 7 games that you are referring to, not that it matters. If you don't think Crosby was the MVP of the Pens this year, then it's probably a non-starter from a debate perspective.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:45 AM

You really think Malkin and his 79 points is more valuable this year than Crosby?

This is exactly what I mean about the Crosby hate.


I know what you mean, People here go to great lengths to discredit the guy at every opputtunity. He's hardly perfect but he's a great player simple as that, and for the record so is ovechkin. That's right I like ovechkin AND Crosby! How strange...

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 10:25 AM

Perhaps, but not sure why this would have any impact on Crosby's chances at an NHL award.

Nobody said it would.
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