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#21 thedisappearer

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:11 PM

Why? Just because Detroit is an Original Six franchise with "history" and "tradition" doesn't mean other teams, or new teams, can't have their own deals as well? We have to dump on them for trying to develop their own traditions or ideas? Let them have their fun. If it encourages fan participation and doesn't hurt anybody, let the idea go forward.

Their tradition shouldn't be "we took the tradition of the team we were playing, twisted it to fit our geographic area, and acted like it made us cool". Develop your own tradition, don't steal it.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:20 PM

Actually, I could kind of see this being really funny. Go for it, throw snakes but the Wings will sweep you.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:24 PM

Their tradition shouldn't be "we took the tradition of the team we were playing, twisted it to fit our geographic area, and acted like it made us cool". Develop your own tradition, don't steal it.

In the end is it really going to matter how the idea developed? Nobody is really going to care how it happened in the grand scheme of things.

The only people that are going to get in a tizzy about this are die-hard fans.

Not worth getting all worked up about.

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 12 April 2010 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:30 PM

Why? Just because Detroit is an Original Six franchise with "history" and "tradition" doesn't mean other teams, or new teams, can't have their own deals as well? We have to dump on them for trying to develop their own traditions or ideas? Let them have their fun. If it encourages fan participation and doesn't hurt anybody, let the idea go forward.


It's not 'thier own tradition' or 'thier idea'. It's ours, that they are trying to copy and modify. At least the rat-trick thing had some backing behind it. This is just lame mimicry.

How about they come up with something that doesn't involve throwing some kind of animal on the ice. How about they howl at the moon, or chase a roadrunner, or encroach on to suburban areas and kidnap small dogs from the backyards of elderly ladies. (Ok, that last one is a bad idea, but you get my point.)

(Side note, an elderly lady in my neghborhood did recently lose a small dog, and a coyote has been seen in the area several times. It is really getting out of hand.)

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 09:35 PM

It's not 'thier own tradition' or 'thier idea'. It's ours, that they are trying to copy and modify. At least the rat-trick thing had some backing behind it. This is just lame mimicry.

How about they come up with something that doesn't involve throwing some kind of animal on the ice. How about they howl at the moon, or chase a roadrunner, or encroach on to suburban areas and kidnap small dogs from the backyards of elderly ladies. (Ok, that last one is a bad idea, but you get my point.)

(Side note, an elderly lady in my neghborhood did recently lose a small dog, and a coyote has been seen in the area several times. It is really getting out of hand.)

Sometimes ideas or concepts, take something that somebody originally had, and put your own spin on it or try to make it work a bit differently. Happens in business and work all the time. It's better than them doing nothing and it's not worth getting feelings hurt that they might do this.

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:36 PM

All those wannabes in other cities need to realize you can't just make up a tradition because you'er bored, it takes time and has to stand for something.



Exactly. And what's worse is that they just simply copy ours. Their "tradition" doesn't even mean anything, they just think we throw dead animals so they should too.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:57 PM

Sometimes ideas or concepts, take something that somebody originally had, and put your own spin on it or try to make it work a bit differently. Happens in business and work all the time. It's better than them doing nothing and it's not worth getting feelings hurt that they might do this.


I might be more receptive if they were playing someone else and still planning something. But you know if they were playing the Kings or Preds, the idea never would have been born.

It's blatant immitation predicated entirely on the fact that we already do it. It borders on mockery.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:39 AM

Well I really don't see why everyone is all upset about this, because don't they say something like, "Imitation is the highest degree of flattery," or something like that? They want to be like us! It is like your little brother wanting to go hang out with you and your friends. I say we let em flatter us, and try to run with the big dogs.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 06:08 AM

I might be more receptive if they were playing someone else and still planning something. But you know if they were playing the Kings or Preds, the idea never would have been born.

It's blatant immitation predicated entirely on the fact that we already do it. It borders on mockery.

Only people that are really going to give a hoot about it are maybe 153 die hard Red Wing fans in North America. It's not going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. I'd look at it, as pointed out earlier by another poster, as a sign of respect. Using something the Red Wings fans usually do as an example of a cool fan tradition, instead of approaching like "The big mean Coyote fans are stupid and copying us". If it catches on in the future regardless if they play the Wings are not, more power to them. If it doesn't, then hopefully they'll think of something else.

EDIT: This is something though that Coyote fans are not used to since the franchise relocated from Winnipeg. They haven't experienced postseason play all that much, and the few times they have it's been a quick exit. As tempting as it is to mock them and say they are stupid for mimicing a Red Wings tradition or whatever, this is almost brand new stuff to a lot of these people, espeically the ones that have just caught onto the Coyotes this year as a result of them probably putting their best product on the ice since they relocated. Give them some slack (not you specifically, but people/Wings fans in general).

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 13 April 2010 - 06:30 AM.


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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:29 AM

If they had any clue what the octopus toss originally stood for, perhaps they'd change their minds about using an animal that looks like a one. I don't even want them to win that many, but hey, if tossing a snake gets them their one playoff victory and a bunch of their fans kicked out of the arena Wednesday, well I guess they've proved their point.


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I will take this as a form of flattery. I don't think Samuel L. Jackson would care for it though but if they are willing to toss them on the ice I'd be willing to concede 1 game to them.

Edited by softshoes, 13 April 2010 - 07:30 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:44 AM

I might be more receptive if they were playing someone else and still planning something. But you know if they were playing the Kings or Preds, the idea never would have been born.

It's blatant immitation predicated entirely on the fact that we already do it. It borders on mockery.

Honestly it doesn't sound like mockery to me at all.

Yes, it's derivative. But as others have said, imitation, flattery, etc.

They're in the playoffs for the first time in eight years, back when people there probably didn't even know there was a hockey team in Phoenix. It's hard for me to get offended for fans trying to be excited about it, even if it's ripping off a Wings tradition. Like it or not, hockey is there. If it gets more popular in phoenix, it's better for the NHL.

They get made fun of for not having fans, now people are offended for the fans trying to be excited for the playoffs? What exactly can they do that's acceptable to us Wings fans?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 08:16 AM

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 08:26 AM

My problem with this is that there is no reason for the snake. It has no meaning. All they are doing is mimicking Red Wings' tradition. The octopus signified the amount of wins we needed for the cup. What will the snake signify?
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:22 PM

My problem with this is that there is no reason for the snake. It has no meaning. All they are doing is mimicking Red Wings' tradition. The octopus signified the amount of wins we needed for the cup. What will the snake signify?



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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:32 PM

Okay, two things:

(1) Franchises should evolve in this order: Local ownership --> Strong Performance on Ice --> Traditional of Excellence created through years of playoff success --> Traditions and rituals associated with long-term success. Phoenix, you are owned by the NHL. Fail on Step 1. The only guy who even wanted to buy your franchise was only going to do so on the condition he could immediately move it 2,000+ miles away from Jobing Arena to Hamilton. Evaluate where you are before you get too attached to new "traditions"

(2) It's bad enough to copy a Red Wings tradition--it's even worse when you have to copy a FLORIDA PANTHERS one-year tradition that was so obnoxious the league made specific rules against it. There's a reason the league is willing to "tolerate" a real octopus occasionally thrown onto the ice now and then....12,000 people are not going to attempt to keep a wet, slimy octopus down their pants for 2/3 of a hockey game. However, if your "tradition" is to throw plastic snakes or rats that you could just keep in your pocket, then yes, 12,000 people might try to do that, and it would be extremely freakin' ANNOYING and disruptive to the game itself.

Not a "tradition" so much...just being a dick.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:37 PM

If they had any clue what the octopus toss originally stood for, perhaps they'd change their minds about using an animal that looks like a one. I don't even want them to win that many, but hey, if tossing a snake gets them their one playoff victory and a bunch of their fans kicked out of the arena Wednesday, well I guess they've proved their point.


maybe the significance for the coyotes throwing a snake is a metaphor for their 1st round exit.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:49 PM

Don't know why people think the snake signifies a one. It has zero legs.

Anyway, harold's right. Imitation, flattery, etc: you know we have the original, what more do you need? Even if the Yotes stay in Phoenix, this'll just be forgotten about, and the octopus will live on.
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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:24 PM

Snakes...Why did it have to be snakes...

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:26 PM

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:41 PM

Snakes...Why did it have to be snakes...

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