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#21 matt198913

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:15 PM

The linesman was looking right at it. It was amazing they all "thought" is was Fils stick. maybe if Fil was a defenceman playing Lacrosse. Terrible call it really soured what was a competitive well played game. Refs were incosistent all night which is terrible for the players. Neither team could get into a groove on whats gonna be called and whats not gonna be called. For instance the interference call on Kronwall which led to the Morris goal. Doan goes out there takes out Helm and the partys on after that. I mean come on good win by the Yotes but I'd feel alot better about it if they didn't have some help
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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:17 PM

I've said this before, but if I didn't love the Red Wings, I sincerely doubt I would follow the NHL because it's a garbage league run by morons and it just trickles down to the officiating. The league doesn't know what the rules are and the refs do a terrible job enforcing the perceived rules on their end.

I thought last night was a disgrace in general, although the Red Wings definitely got the short-end of the calls (which I expected going into the series playing the league's second team). There was way too much garbage getting called. Ten powerplays combined isn't hockey - it's a specialty teams showcase which unfortunately the Red Wings did poorly at. The Lilja elbowing call was frickin laughable. The Morris goal was a result of an interference penalty they have seemingly called 1000 times this season. Let the players play the game, call the stuff that matters. Ya know, like a blatant high stick to the face which somehow goes unnoticed by eight eyes. Nice priorities NHL: make sure to call five hooking minors 200 feet from the play, but ignore an obvious offense which no doubt changed the game.

Hockey is the best sport in the world. It's a shame we have to watch a league run and officiated by incompetent individuals on so many levels.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 01:46 PM

I've said this before, but if I didn't love the Red Wings, I sincerely doubt I would follow the NHL because it's a garbage league run by morons and it just trickles down to the officiating. The league doesn't know what the rules are and the refs do a terrible job enforcing the perceived rules on their end.

I thought last night was a disgrace in general, although the Red Wings definitely got the short-end of the calls (which I expected going into the series playing the league's second team).
There was way too much garbage getting called. Ten powerplays combined isn't hockey - it's a specialty teams showcase which unfortunately the Red Wings did poorly at. The Lilja elbowing call was frickin laughable. The Morris goal was a result of an interference penalty they have seemingly called 1000 times this season. Let the players play the game, call the stuff that matters. Ya know, like a blatant high stick to the face which somehow goes unnoticed by eight eyes. Nice priorities NHL: make sure to call five hooking minors 200 feet from the play, but ignore an obvious offense which no doubt changed the game.

Hockey is the best sport in the world. It's a shame we have to watch a league run and officiated by incompetent individuals on so many levels.


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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

I've said this before, but if I didn't love the Red Wings, I sincerely doubt I would follow the NHL because it's a garbage league run by morons and it just trickles down to the officiating. The league doesn't know what the rules are and the refs do a terrible job enforcing the perceived rules on their end.

I thought last night was a disgrace in general, although the Red Wings definitely got the short-end of the calls (which I expected going into the series playing the league's second team). There was way too much garbage getting called. Ten powerplays combined isn't hockey - it's a specialty teams showcase which unfortunately the Red Wings did poorly at. The Lilja elbowing call was frickin laughable. The Morris goal was a result of an interference penalty they have seemingly called 1000 times this season. Let the players play the game, call the stuff that matters. Ya know, like a blatant high stick to the face which somehow goes unnoticed by eight eyes. Nice priorities NHL: make sure to call five hooking minors 200 feet from the play, but ignore an obvious offense which no doubt changed the game.

Hockey is the best sport in the world. It's a shame we have to watch a league run and officiated by incompetent individuals on so many levels.

Personally, I thought the officiating was pretty good up until the no-call high stick incident. I don't mind it being called tight if calls are made for both teams.

I can live with missed calls more often than not. I've been a sports official of different sports, albeit a much lesser level of competition, so I know it is a pretty damned hard job in the heat of the moment. So I can usually live with stuff like a missed accidental high stick if you're say 40 feet away with your back turned to that specific incident. You can't have eyes in the back of your head. Some human error is inevitable here.

What irritates the bejesus out of me though is that the officials CONSULTED with each other on a dead whitsle immediately after the high-stick happened for a few good moments, were not far away when it happened, and THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG.

I absolutely cannot stand when fans in here go nuts with conspiracy theories against Detroit or that Bettman and his chronies are up to no good again, because that clearly isn't the case. But I also cannot stand when officials do not do the right thing or play more of a role than is necessary in deciding the outcome of a game. When there was no penalty called there on an obvious infraction, the hair on the back of my neck nearly stood up.

Now, would that call have changed the outcome of the game? Maybe not. But if it's called, the Wings go on a 4-on-3 and then 5-on-3 PP. Seems like those odds increase a bit to tie the game then. I'll give full credit to Phoenix for winning this game. As it went on they took the play to the Wings and deserved the win. But the referees playing much more of a role than necessary in the game as well. Your job as a referee is to be as fair as you can, and not get noticed. Well, the refs got noticed in a bad, bad way late in the game there blowing an obvious call.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:31 PM

Personally, I thought the officiating was pretty good up until the no-call high stick incident. I don't mind it being called tight if calls are made for both teams.

I can live with missed calls more often than not. I've been a sports official of different sports, albeit a much lesser level of competition, so I know it is a pretty damned hard job in the heat of the moment. So I can usually live with stuff like a missed accidental high stick if you're say 40 feet away with your back turned to that specific incident. You can't have eyes in the back of your head. Some human error is inevitable here.

What irritates the bejesus out of me though is that the officials CONSULTED with each other on a dead whitsle immediately after the high-stick happened for a few good moments, were not far away when it happened, and THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG.

I absolutely cannot stand when fans in here go nuts with conspiracy theories against Detroit or that Bettman and his chronies are up to no good again, because that clearly isn't the case. But I also cannot stand when officials do not do the right thing or play more of a role than is necessary in deciding the outcome of a game. When there was no penalty called there on an obvious infraction, the hair on the back of my neck nearly stood up.

Now, would that call have changed the outcome of the game? Maybe not. But if it's called, the Wings go on a 4-on-3 and then 5-on-3 PP. Seems like those odds increase a bit to tie the game then. I'll give full credit to Phoenix for winning this game. As it went on they took the play to the Wings and deserved the win. But the referees playing much more of a role than necessary in the game as well. Your job as a referee is to be as fair as you can, and not get noticed. Well, the refs got noticed in a bad, bad way late in the game there blowing an obvious call.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:38 PM

I've said this before, but if I didn't love the Red Wings, I sincerely doubt I would follow the NHL because it's a garbage league run by morons and it just trickles down to the officiating. The league doesn't know what the rules are and the refs do a terrible job enforcing the perceived rules on their end.

I thought last night was a disgrace in general, although the Red Wings definitely got the short-end of the calls (which I expected going into the series playing the league's second team). There was way too much garbage getting called. Ten powerplays combined isn't hockey - it's a specialty teams showcase which unfortunately the Red Wings did poorly at. The Lilja elbowing call was frickin laughable. The Morris goal was a result of an interference penalty they have seemingly called 1000 times this season. Let the players play the game, call the stuff that matters. Ya know, like a blatant high stick to the face which somehow goes unnoticed by eight eyes. Nice priorities NHL: make sure to call five hooking minors 200 feet from the play, but ignore an obvious offense which no doubt changed the game.

Hockey is the best sport in the world. It's a shame we have to watch a league run and officiated by incompetent individuals on so many levels.


I'm with you, if I wasn't a Red Wings die-hard, I'd probably give up on this league altogether. The NHL seriously needs to look at the way the NFL and MLB are run and learn what it takes to have a professional league.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:42 PM

I'm with you, if I wasn't a Red Wings die-hard, I'd probably give up on this league altogether. The NHL seriously needs to look at the way the NFL and MLB are run and learn what it takes to have a professional league.

Bad call.


Every sport has bad officiating, it's just you probably don't pay attention or are as emotionally involved as the ones in hockey.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:45 PM

Personally, I thought the officiating was pretty good up until the no-call high stick incident. I don't mind it being called tight if calls are made for both teams.

I can live with missed calls more often than not. I've been a sports official of different sports, albeit a much lesser level of competition, so I know it is a pretty damned hard job in the heat of the moment. So I can usually live with stuff like a missed accidental high stick if you're say 40 feet away with your back turned to that specific incident. You can't have eyes in the back of your head. Some human error is inevitable here.

What irritates the bejesus out of me though is that the officials CONSULTED with each other on a dead whitsle immediately after the high-stick happened for a few good moments, were not far away when it happened, and THEY STILL GOT IT WRONG.

I absolutely cannot stand when fans in here go nuts with conspiracy theories against Detroit or that Bettman and his chronies are up to no good again, because that clearly isn't the case. But I also cannot stand when officials do not do the right thing or play more of a role than is necessary in deciding the outcome of a game. When there was no penalty called there on an obvious infraction, the hair on the back of my neck nearly stood up.

Now, would that call have changed the outcome of the game? Maybe not. But if it's called, the Wings go on a 4-on-3 and then 5-on-3 PP. Seems like those odds increase a bit to tie the game then. I'll give full credit to Phoenix for winning this game. As it went on they took the play to the Wings and deserved the win. But the referees playing much more of a role than necessary in the game as well. Your job as a referee is to be as fair as you can, and not get noticed. Well, the refs got noticed in a bad, bad way late in the game there blowing an obvious call.


You have correctly pegged the total insanity, arrogance and stupidity of the non-call. This was the ultimate insult to the Wings and a total eye-opener about how badly most NHL games are officiated.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:49 PM

You have correctly pegged the total insanity, arrogance and stupidity of the non-call. This was the ultimate insult to the Wings and a total eye-opener about how badly most NHL games are officiated.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 03:08 PM

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 03:28 PM

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I don't think I've been more upset over a call. The Penguins having too many men on the ice for 30 seconds was bad, The Redwings losing a tie game vs. the Ducks (on Marian Hossa's no goal) sucked, but this is just plain disrespect for a player's well being.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 03:50 PM

Mr. Bob McKenzie, part of "The Panel" on TSN, used this play as being one of four "stick mismangement" infractions that were not called, all in different games, last night. The "reminder" memos have been sent to all of the striped persuasion.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 04:06 PM

I'm usually not one to complain about a missed call or a botched call or what have you, because I know there's human error (such as Helm being interfered with before the 3rd goal on the PK, I missed it myself before Mickey pointed it out) and they usually do a decent job in keeping it as consistent as possible, but I just don't know what to say about that no call high stick on Lidstrom. I just can't see how you could miss that?

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

Maybe Lids needs to go down like he's been shot to get the attention of the zebras. I guess playing hockey the right way doesn't work anymore, so be like a soccer player.
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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:39 PM

Bad call.


Every sport has bad officiating, it's just you probably don't pay attention or are as emotionally involved as the ones in hockey.


Bad calls are a part of sports - I haven't really come across anyone arguing otherwise here. However, I consider myself a pretty dedicated follower of all four professional sports. Hockey is my favorite sport, but I have an emotional interest vested into other teams as well.

The difference is I hardly ever watch a baseball or football game and come away thinking the officiating had a direct influence on the outcome. It happens in hockey pretty frequently and far more than I feel is appropriate. Hockey is the worst officiated professional sport hands-down and it seemingly keeps getting worse somehow. I'm not big into conspiracy theories and what not, but there is a huge line to me between bad calls and consistently crossing the line like so many numerous times we have seen as Red Wings fans in recent history. You can't miss a high sticking infraction like the one on Lidstrom last night and tell me something like the elbowing call on Lilja is acceptable. The refs aren't doing their job in that case. Human error is part of the deal, but repeated offenses is more than human error. The league doesn't know what a penalty is, refs don't, the players don't and neither do we as fans on a nightly basis.

The NHL is poorly run. It's pathetic the lack of accountability that the league holds its officials to after continuous poor performance. I don't see anything like what happens in the NHL even remotely occurring in other professional sports.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:04 PM

Bad calls are a part of sports - I haven't really come across anyone arguing otherwise here. However, I consider myself a pretty dedicated follower of all four professional sports. Hockey is my favorite sport, but I have an emotional interest vested into other teams as well.

The difference is I hardly ever watch a baseball or football game and come away thinking the officiating had a direct influence on the outcome. It happens in hockey pretty frequently and far more than I feel is appropriate. Hockey is the worst officiated professional sport hands-down and it seemingly keeps getting worse somehow. I'm not big into conspiracy theories and what not, but there is a huge line to me between bad calls and consistently crossing the line like so many numerous times we have seen as Red Wings fans in recent history. You can't miss a high sticking infraction like the one on Lidstrom last night and tell me something like the elbowing call on Lilja is acceptable. The refs aren't doing their job in that case. Human error is part of the deal, but repeated offenses is more than human error. The league doesn't know what a penalty is, refs don't, the players don't and neither do we as fans on a nightly basis.

The NHL is poorly run. It's pathetic the lack of accountability that the league holds its officials to after continuous poor performance. I don't see anything like what happens in the NHL even remotely occurring in other professional sports.


Um, I'd have to say the NBA is hands down the worst officiated sport. Tim Donaghy raises the red flag with that. Even though he claims he hasn't cheated in fixing games, he did admit that the refs had meetings before games on who to give lee-way to and who to be hard on. That type of officiating is preposterous.

People can ***** all they want about NHL refs blowing calls and whatnot, but the games' faster on the ice and there's a lot going on. I think NHL refs do a good job for the most part and I've seen worse calls in other sports (Ed Hochuli's botched whistle on a fumble during the Broncos/Chargers game, changing the outcome of the game). I don't know how they didn't catch that high-sticking, but that stuff happens from time to time. Only way to fix it is to have instant replays for that stuff, but the NHL will be reluctant to do that as it would slow the game down even more and prolong it. So we're just gonna have to live with some of these bad calls, move on to the next game and be more worried about our team playing better than the refs missing 1 or 2 calls.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:09 PM

This pisses me off more than any other bad call. Lids could have been seriously hurt, and there was no penalty.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:22 PM

Bad calls are a part of sports - I haven't really come across anyone arguing otherwise here. However, I consider myself a pretty dedicated follower of all four professional sports. Hockey is my favorite sport, but I have an emotional interest vested into other teams as well.

The difference is I hardly ever watch a baseball or football game and come away thinking the officiating had a direct influence on the outcome. It happens in hockey pretty frequently and far more than I feel is appropriate. Hockey is the worst officiated professional sport hands-down and it seemingly keeps getting worse somehow. I'm not big into conspiracy theories and what not, but there is a huge line to me between bad calls and consistently crossing the line like so many numerous times we have seen as Red Wings fans in recent history. You can't miss a high sticking infraction like the one on Lidstrom last night and tell me something like the elbowing call on Lilja is acceptable. The refs aren't doing their job in that case. Human error is part of the deal, but repeated offenses is more than human error. The league doesn't know what a penalty is, refs don't, the players don't and neither do we as fans on a nightly basis.

The NHL is poorly run. It's pathetic the lack of accountability that the league holds its officials to after continuous poor performance. I don't see anything like what happens in the NHL even remotely occurring in other professional sports.


I guess you haven't watched much of the biggest and most popular sport in the world, soccer. They don't review goals. They don't review ANYTHING. They don't stop time during game except half time break. Do you have any idea how many huge important games have been decided by a bad call/missed call from the referee? A missed off side call? A wrongly made off side call? They can't review it so the decision stands directly after it's been made. So hockey is hardly the worst sport in that aspect..

I think you guys overreact. I agree that the calling on penalties are pretty inconsistent but imo it's not such a huge deal you ought it to be. I think it evens out pretty good. Hockey is such a fast paced game with lots of pysichal contact. The refs will miss penalties, they will make bad penalties, they will forever.

Btw, I can't think of any other sport which have so thoroughly reviews of questionable goals. How many goals are scored every year and how many goals are wrongly ruled as a goal? (I'm thinking about goals like the one May scored earlier in the season but was ruled as a no goal). It rarely happens.. Just because they have so good reviews. Cameras from everyf****** angle. (I'm not talking about goals scored due to a wrongly made penalty). Just wanted to point out that the goal reviews are very accurate so that's a bright spot don't you agree?

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Posted 16 April 2010 - 12:14 AM

I guess you haven't watched much of the biggest and most popular sport in the world, soccer. They don't review goals. They don't review ANYTHING. They don't stop time during game except half time break. Do you have any idea how many huge important games have been decided by a bad call/missed call from the referee? A missed off side call? A wrongly made off side call? They can't review it so the decision stands directly after it's been made. So hockey is hardly the worst sport in that aspect..

I think you guys overreact. I agree that the calling on penalties are pretty inconsistent but imo it's not such a huge deal you ought it to be. I think it evens out pretty good. Hockey is such a fast paced game with lots of pysichal contact. The refs will miss penalties, they will make bad penalties, they will forever.

Btw, I can't think of any other sport which have so thoroughly reviews of questionable goals. How many goals are scored every year and how many goals are wrongly ruled as a goal? (I'm thinking about goals like the one May scored earlier in the season but was ruled as a no goal). It rarely happens.. Just because they have so good reviews. Cameras from everyf****** angle. (I'm not talking about goals scored due to a wrongly made penalty). Just wanted to point out that the goal reviews are very accurate so that's a bright spot don't you agree?

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I honestly can't comment whatsoever on soccer as I have never watched an entire game in my life. It may be popular worldwide, but I'm like most Americans and couldn't care less about it. I'll take your word on that subject.

Reviews are nice and typically serve well, but what does it matter in situations when the stupid intent to blow the whistle rule overrides a good goal anyways? It happened with May and more importantly to Hossa in Anaheim. Is that not poor officiating? I'm not saying it isn't a tough job. All I want is some more solid consistency. If no one following or playing the game knows what a penalty is from night-to-night, I don't see how that is anything but a failure on the NHL's end to properly implement the rules they expect to guide play. Refs in the NHL have far too much impact on the outcome of games for my liking. Last night was no exception and I'm not just saying this because the Red Wings lost. It isn't overreacting if the problem is ongoing and there doesn't seem to be any effort in place to fix the shortcomings.
 
 
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Posted 16 April 2010 - 01:10 AM

I might be the only one that feels there was no interference on Helm, but both him and Doan were going towards the faceoff dot. Helm was not trying to get to the point. They both can own that space. They made contact and Helm fell. That would have been a terrible call to make.

I've seen the refs miss high stick calls before and it's always absurd, my only question was why did they blow the whistle to stop the play? Lidstrom was skating towards the bench to make a change, he wasn't lying on the ice. Players get hurt constantly and make their way to the bench and the play doesn't stop.

For me it's not so much the missed high-stick it's everything that surrounds it that just makes it shady. He gets high-sticked, bends over, straightens back up and skates towards the bench. While that was happening Wings never lost control of the puck, Williams had just gotten a pass from Zetterberg and was about to pass into the slot and the play is blown dead. Lidstrom is at the bench by that time. Refs and Linesmen get together to talk about tuesdays episode of LOST and then they just continue the game. WTF just happened??? Why blow the play dead when the Wings had control? Why have a meeting when no one was calling a penalty anyway? Why say a comment so foolish that one of the most quietest, respectful players in the league is moved to call you out on it?

It's a long series and an even longer playoff run, the Wings will be mad for how poorly they played and come out flying. Unlike the Sharks, Penguins, Capitals and Devils the Wings haven't lost at home, I doubt anyone who picked the Pens or Caps to win is changing it after one loss. I'm not changing mine. GO WINGS!!!
But that's just me and I could be wrong. Maybe it's a terrible tragedy.





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