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Report: Hudler released from Moscow Dynamo

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Good news... I doubt the Wings will trade him; he will almost certainly play for us next year. He's scored 26 pts in his last two playoff runs with the Wings, so he's welcome back in my book...

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and im guessing he would be a bit of a better player also.

Sorry, but why would be be a better player after playing in a sub-par league to the NHL? If anything he's going to be worse than he was when he left because he's more used to the slower play, etc. If he comes back I wouldn't be surprised if he has a worse season than 08-09. You can't tell me that's not a logical assumption. It's like would Cleary get better if you sent him to the AHL?

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Does detroit really want this overly soft euro? he doesn't play defense and would only make a third line better offensively but in the same time worse defensively, and probably would make the 2nd pp unit better, but 2.875M caphit is kinda big with red wing measurement's

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Sorry, but why would be be a better player after playing in a sub-par league to the NHL? If anything he's going to be worse than he was when he left because he's more used to the slower play, etc. If he comes back I wouldn't be surprised if he has a worse season than 08-09. You can't tell me that's not a logical assumption. It's like would Cleary get better if you sent him to the AHL?

I feel comfortable saying that the KHL is the 2nd best league in the world behind the NHL. He was playing a lot of minutes over there on the top line, and I would say his line mates were decent players. His development might have slowed, but if it even did it couldn't be by much. He was constantly improving with us. He still had plenty of room for improvement IMO.

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Does detroit really want this overly soft euro? he doesn't play defense and would only make a third line better offensively but in the same time worse defensively, and probably would make the 2nd pp unit better, but 2.875M caphit is kinda big with red wing measurement's

Obviously the Red Wings do want him back. This team needs more offense and Hudler provides exactly that. I think you are exaggerating that Hudler doesn't play defense. Red Wing fans have such a skewed image of what defensive forwards should be like because we are spoiled watching Z, Datsyuk, Helm, Miller, etc. play at such a high level defensively. Hudler isn't going to be killing penalties, but he isn't a complete liability on defense.

I'll take a 57-point player for around three million anyday. Especially when it addresses one of the Red Wings most glaring weaknesses.

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Obviously the Red Wings do want him back. This team needs more offense and Hudler provides exactly that. I think you are exaggerating that Hudler doesn't play defense. Red Wing fans have such a skewed image of what defensive forwards should be like because we are spoiled watching Z, Datsyuk, Helm, Miller, etc. play at such a high level defensively. Hudler isn't going to be killing penalties, but he isn't a complete liability on defense.

I'll take a 57-point player for around three million anyday. Especially when it addresses one of the Red Wings most glaring weaknesses.

Especially a 57pt player who did it playing on the 3rd line.

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the sad part for him is that his probably going to get less then what he probably was going to get before he left to Russia.

Plus I'm sure living in North America instead of Russia is worth making less.

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I feel comfortable saying that the KHL is the 2nd best league in the world behind the NHL. He was playing a lot of minutes over there on the top line, and I would say his line mates were decent players. His development might have slowed, but if it even did it couldn't be by much. He was constantly improving with us. He still had plenty of room for improvement IMO.

It's not that I don't think he can't improve, but he hasn't been in the NHL for a year, so he'll have to re-adjust. He might be at the same or better level than when he left, but the transition from the start of the season will show and affect his end of the year totals.

I'm not saying it definitely made him worse, but it sure as hell didn't make him better.

Especially a 57pt player who did it playing on the 3rd line.

On the PP*

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Obviously the Red Wings do want him back. This team needs more offense and Hudler provides exactly that. I think you are exaggerating that Hudler doesn't play defense. Red Wing fans have such a skewed image of what defensive forwards should be like because we are spoiled watching Z, Datsyuk, Helm, Miller, etc. play at such a high level defensively. Hudler isn't going to be killing penalties, but he isn't a complete liability on defense.

I'll take a 57-point player for around three million anyday. Especially when it addresses one of the Red Wings most glaring weaknesses.

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This isn't Fedorov stringing the organization along for more money. Hudler had his intentions known to Holland, got the organization's blessing to go get a paycheck that really no one in Hudler's position could turn down, and both worked out keeping Hudler's rights for his eventual return with a damn good cap hit.

Bingo. I don't get the animosity from fans, yet the organization seemed to be a-ok with the process all along. I mean, there is a salary cap, and with all the extensions and such, we really couldn't afford Hudler's contract. He made it very clear that he only wants to play for Detroit and the arbitration turned out well (as far as I know it wasn't the disaster that arbitrations usually are in relation to slaughtering the player and org).

It really seemed like a win-win situation. Some players got to develop on the Wings while Hudler made some dough and stayed competitive for a year. Now he'll be back at a great price.

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I'll welcome Hudler back in a second, and hold nothing against him for going to Russia for a season.

I was just thinking, going to Russia may have hurt Hudler in future NHL contracts. I'm sure Hud's would have scored about 65, almost 70 points this season with all the injuries and increased ice time.

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Plus I'm sure living in North America instead of Russia is worth making less.

:lol:

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Seems like it's almost a done deal:

http://detnews.com/article/20100418/SPORTS0103/4180315/1128/rss16

Reports: Hudler to return to Wings next season

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

Detroit -- All signs are pointing toward winger Jiri Hudler returning to the Red Wings next season.

According to reports out of Russia and Canada, Hudler has been released from his contract with the KHL's Moscow Dynamo, which would free him to rejoin the Wings next season.

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland hasn't heard officially yet from the Jiri Hudler camp, but he expects to very soon.

"I spoke to Jiri's North American scout last week in Phoenix and he thought something was going to get done soon," Holland said Sunday morning. "I haven't heard from him yet, but it's the weekend. We'll see."

Asked if it was done deal that Hudler would be with the Red Wings next season, if he has been released from his contract in Russia, Holland said, "It's a done deal is he wants to come back to the NHL."

Holland said that Hudler could sign with another team in the KHL or in another professional league in Europe. But all indications are that Hudler wants to come back to the Wings and the NHL.

Hudler cannot be added to the Wings roster for this postseason. He would have had to be bought out and added to the Wings roster before the March trade deadline to be eligible to play now.

Hudler, 26, has a two-year deal arbitrated with the Wings last summer worth $2.875 million per year. He scored 19 goals for Moscow this season after posting 23 with the Wings in 2008-2009.

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100418/SPORTS0103/4180315/1128/rss16#ixzz0lTT2QQUM

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Makes you wonder why he left in the first place.

Whole thing seemed like a waste of time. Maybe he got to bang some hot Russian chicks down there and that was the payoff. Who knows?

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Hmm... Well, I guess that doesn't leave any room for Bert.

Lidstrom might retire and the replacement D might not cost as much, or he re-signs a 1 year and takes a huge paycut... release williams also and some other redundant player

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Lidstrom might retire and the replacement D might not cost as much, or he re-signs a 1 year and takes a huge paycut... release williams also and some other redundant player

Didn't you say that some reports out of Sweden basically said that Lidstrom has already retired?

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Didn't you say that some reports out of Sweden basically said that Lidstrom has already retired?

He hasn't said it anywhere but lots of reporters over here gets that feeling after talking to him, you know the swedish red wing player's are much more open to swedish media than north american media because swedish media doesn't get the NA attention...For example Homer is usually pretty politically incorrect when talking to some reporters over here if he would have said the same stuff to NA-media he might have gotten Fined for it..

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Makes you wonder why he left in the first place.

Whole thing seemed like a waste of time. Maybe he got to bang some hot Russian chicks down there and that was the payoff. Who knows?

I thought it was obvious he left for the money.

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It's not that I don't think he can't improve, but he hasn't been in the NHL for a year, so he'll have to re-adjust. He might be at the same or better level than when he left, but the transition from the start of the season will show and affect his end of the year totals.

I'm not saying it definitely made him worse, but it sure as hell didn't make him better.

On the PP*

For all the crap you give people for saying anything even remotely negative about Filppula, you turn around and do the same thing to Hudler.

Who cares if it was on the powerplay? Sure, about half of his points came on the powerplay but he almost equaled those numbers at even strength playing third and fourth line minutes with inferior talent. Hudler is probably the most gifted offensive talent the Red Wings would have outside of the big three (Z, Pavel, Mule). Besides your argument doesn't really hold much ground if you want to compare him to Filppula. Fil only had seven more even strength points than Hudler and Fil played nearly three more minutes per game.

The Red Wings could definitely use Jiri Hudler for the very strong offensive skill he has proven in his career. Give credit where it's due like you demand constantly for Filppula.

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Finding this out this was just another reason why this was the best weekend of my life. VETS GO VED VINGS!

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Just because Hudler is back doesn't mean Bert is gone.

Rumor is the cap may go from 56.8-58

There is 1.2 million, Add Williams' 1.5 million and that is 2.7 million - almost Hudler's entire contract.

Lidstrom's pay cut is then used to re-sign the RFAs to their pay increases and the team is all set.

Just means we carry 14 forwards and 7 d-men instead of 13 forwards and 8 d-men (Ritola cannot be waved)

Forwards:

Franzen, Datsyuk, Holmstrom, Filppula, Zetterberg, Hudler, Cleary, Helm, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Abdelkader, Miller, Draper, Ritola

Defense:

Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart, Ericsson, Lilja, Kindl

Goalies:

Howard, Osgood

EDIT: This assumes that Bert signs another 1.5 million contract.

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For all the crap you give people for saying anything even remotely negative about Filppula, you turn around and do the same thing to Hudler.

Who cares if it was on the powerplay? Sure, about half of his points came on the powerplay but he almost equaled those numbers at even strength playing third and fourth line minutes with inferior talent. Hudler is probably the most gifted offensive talent the Red Wings would have outside of the big three (Z, Pavel, Mule). Besides your argument doesn't really hold much ground if you want to compare him to Filppula. Fil only had seven more even strength points than Hudler and Fil played nearly three more minutes per game.

The Red Wings could definitely use Jiri Hudler for the very strong offensive skill he has proven in his career. Give credit where it's due like you demand constantly for Filppula.

Filppula and Hudler had the exact same Points per minute at even strength and had the same linemates. There is nothing wrong with getting the majority of your points on the PP, I just hate the "Hudler racked up so many points on the third line" argument. It just isn't true. That's all.

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I won't mind having him back but would rather trade him. A lot of people in here are talking about how the people who are mad at them shouldn't be. Doesn't everyone remember how he handcuffed the organization and we were left with Jason Williams as our free agent crop?

I would rather trade him, playing in the top 6 is not for Hudler. He's slow, bad defensively and weak. He thrives playing o the third line against weaker opposition and playing as a PP specialist. If we can trade him I would do it for sure, as long as the return is half decent. Maybe try to get a couple prospects or something for him.

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