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Wow. A pair of 30 point scorers.

But of course they're real North American boys and not threatening Europeans like Hudler so they'd definitely be better choices for our top6.

I'd also like to see some answers to this question. We don't really need two-way players any more, so all that pretty much matters is offense. Hudler has already put up 57 points and has potential for easily put +60 next year and +70 in the future.

Who can we get with 2.75 or less who puts up points like that? Tell me please anti-hudler guys.

A pair of guys that are more rounded than Hudler.Hudler isn't gonna score 70.Get the f*** over yourself.Armstrong will score more than 30 points.

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A pair of guys that are more rounded than Hudler.Hudler isn't gonna score 70.Get the f*** over yourself.Armstrong will score more than 30 points.

As I said, we don't need to pay guys for playing PK as already have one of the best two-way forwards in the game. We need offense and I'd think it's stupid to right now pay more for a guy who gives us less offense but better defense.

Colby Armstrong is 2 years older than Hudler. He's had a bigger role in Trashers than Hudler had here. Yet his best season is only 40 points and didn't even break 30 points this season. Hudler had 57 points here while playing in 3rd line. I think the chances that Hudler scores 70 points are much bigger than Armstrong scoring 60 points.

Maybe you're the one who should get over yourself, especially as you have basically no proof for your arguments. If one can even call those arguments.

Maybe you should be a fan of some other team if you don't like European players or players who can actually PLAY the game. You know, play with the puck.

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What concerns me more than the reg season point totals is what a guy can do in the playoffs...Somewhat slow, defensive liability, lack of physicality aren't traits GMs are looking for when spring arrives.

Hudler's saving grace is his ability for scoring key goals at even strength, and his pp prowess.

I'm not concerned about that as we're still talking about the best offensive guy available on the market for that kinda money.

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As I said, we don't need to pay guys for playing PK as already have one of the best two-way forwards in the game. We need offense and I'd think it's stupid to right now pay more for a guy who gives us less offense but better defense.

Colby Armstrong is 2 years older than Hudler. He's had a bigger role in Trashers had here. Yet his best season is only 40 points and didn't even break 30 points this season. Hudler had 57 points here while playing in 3rd line. I think the chances that Hudler scores 70 points are much bigger than Armstrong scoring 60 points.

Maybe you're the one who should get over yourself, especially as you have basically no proof for your arguments. If one can even call those arguments.

Maybe you should be a fan of some other team if you don't like European players or players who can actually PLAY the game. You know, play with the puck.

I'm sorry.What does defense win again?championships or something?But thats not an argument i guess.what a load of s***.I like guys that can play defense too.I'm not a big fan of one dimensional players.Sorry.Guess i'm not a true fan.Defense wins championships.Assf***.

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I'm sorry.What does defense win again?championships or something?But thats not an argument i guess.what a load of s***.I like guys that can play defense too.I'm not a big fan of one dimensional players.Sorry.Guess i'm not a true fan.Defense wins championships.Assf***.

Yeah, but we have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Draper, Cleary... all good defensive guys. We don't need a guy for our PK.

Our top forwards only had 70 points this season. I don't think that's so much. We need more offense and the fact is that if you want to get a guy with imaginary offense rated 10 and defense rated 5 it's cheaper or much cheaper than a guy with offense rated 10 and defense rated 7. And we wouldn't really even have no real use for that defensive ability. We need to strengthen our offense more than our defense at this time, that's the point.

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Yeah, but we have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Draper, Cleary... all good defensive guys. We don't need a guy for our PK.

Our top forwards only had 70 points this season. I don't think that's so much. We need more offense and the fact is that if you want to get a guy with imaginary offense rated 10 and defense rated 5 it's cheaper or much cheaper than a guy with offense rated 10 and defense rated 7. And we wouldn't really even have no real use for that defensive ability. We need to strengthen our offense more than our defense at this time, that's the point.

But all i'm saying is if he was more defensively sound,that would be nice.I'm not saying i hate all Euros,i just hope Hudler shows a more well rounded game this time around.Plus you can never have enough defensive specialists on a team.

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"defense wins championships". "goaltending wins championships".

you know what wins championships? a ******* TEAM wins, or loses, a championship. everything else is just scenery.

hudler will be a part of this TEAM next fall. the TEAM you all claim to root for. case closed. next argument.

seriously, its like listening to NBA fans or something...

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"defense wins championships". "goaltending wins championships".

you know what wins championships? a ******* TEAM wins, or loses, a championship. everything else is just scenery.

hudler will be a part of this TEAM next fall. the TEAM you all claim to root for. case closed. next argument.

seriously, its like listening to NBA fans or something...

A well-rounded TEAM.Not a one-dimensional TEAM.

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What concerns me more than the reg season point totals is what a guy can do in the playoffs...Somewhat slow, defensive liability, lack of physicality aren't traits GMs are looking for when spring arrives.

Hudler's saving grace is his ability for scoring key goals at even strength, and his pp prowess.

His playoff performance last year was a little disappointing. Yes, he did suffer a fairly traumatic hit. The sight of your own blood will do that to ya. Did that make him relatively invisible for the rest of the playoffs? If so then that makes it a little too easy for other teams to limit his effectiveness.

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A pair of guys that are more rounded than Hudler.Hudler isn't gonna score 70.Get the f*** over yourself.Armstrong will score more than 30 points.

With who?

His best years were with Sidney Crosby and Ilya Kovalchuk as his linemates. At a whopping 40 points each year.

He isn't going to get those same caliber teammates.

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Yeah, but we have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Draper, Cleary... all good defensive guys. We don't need a guy for our PK.

Our top forwards only had 70 points this season. I don't think that's so much. We need more offense and the fact is that if you want to get a guy with imaginary offense rated 10 and defense rated 5 it's cheaper or much cheaper than a guy with offense rated 10 and defense rated 7. And we wouldn't really even have no real use for that defensive ability. We need to strengthen our offense more than our defense at this time, that's the point.

We also already have a lot of soft players. Datsyuk, Z, Cleary and Flip should be put into scoring roles and not have to worry about defense. WIth guy like Hudler on the team it is more likely that they'll be forced into playing more defensively. If Dats or Z are stuck playing with Hudler they'll have to play twice as defensive to cover for his liable ass.

I wouldn't say Clarkson would be a better fit for our team's top 6 I would say he would be a better fit for our team however. And Armstrong would be a hell of a lot better then Hudler by far. You guys talk about how Hudler put up that many points playing on the 3rd line with bad players. Armstrong played for Atlanta and didn't play with Kovalchuk a lot. Hudler has played with twice the talent in his career then Armstrong and Armstrong would be a guy that people would keep their head up for. I don't think anyone keeps their head up for Hudler, even with their head down they're staring at the top of his head the guy is so damn small.

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We also already have a lot of soft players. Datsyuk, Z, Cleary and Flip should be put into scoring roles and not have to worry about defense. WIth guy like Hudler on the team it is more likely that they'll be forced into playing more defensively. If Dats or Z are stuck playing with Hudler they'll have to play twice as defensive to cover for his liable ass.

I wouldn't say Clarkson would be a better fit for our team's top 6 I would say he would be a better fit for our team however. And Armstrong would be a hell of a lot better then Hudler by far. You guys talk about how Hudler put up that many points playing on the 3rd line with bad players. Armstrong played for Atlanta and didn't play with Kovalchuk a lot. Hudler has played with twice the talent in his career then Armstrong and Armstrong would be a guy that people would keep their head up for. I don't think anyone keeps their head up for Hudler, even with their head down they're staring at the top of his head the guy is so damn small.

Physicality is another aspect that comes into it.I think Armstrong is just a better fir for thi team right now.

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A well-rounded TEAM.Not a one-dimensional TEAM.

Yes, and that's why we need a guy like Hudler. As a team we already have that defensive abilitiy, but lack offense. Getting Hudler helps with that. It's like we have 80 offense 100 defense and Hudler balances it to 100-100.

Of course I take a guy that is great in offense and great in defense over a guy that is great in offense but only average in defense, IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME CAP HIT. We're living in a cap era, and when we get Hudler we don't pay too much money for defense which would be "wasted" as we already have great two-way guys.

Got the point?

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We also already have a lot of soft players. Datsyuk, Z, Cleary and Flip should be put into scoring roles and not have to worry about defense. WIth guy like Hudler on the team it is more likely that they'll be forced into playing more defensively. If Dats or Z are stuck playing with Hudler they'll have to play twice as defensive to cover for his liable ass.

I wouldn't say Clarkson would be a better fit for our team's top 6 I would say he would be a better fit for our team however. And Armstrong would be a hell of a lot better then Hudler by far. You guys talk about how Hudler put up that many points playing on the 3rd line with bad players. Armstrong played for Atlanta and didn't play with Kovalchuk a lot. Hudler has played with twice the talent in his career then Armstrong and Armstrong would be a guy that people would keep their head up for. I don't think anyone keeps their head up for Hudler, even with their head down they're staring at the top of his head the guy is so damn small.

Oh geez.

How much physicality do you honestly think comes out of playing defense? Lidstrom is a top-5 defender EVER and has barely been physical. Datsyuk defends by takeaways. Zetterberg is one of Detroit's best shutdown players. Cleary is more of a grinder than anyone on the team.

Also Armstrong had 40 points in one year. What happened when Kovalchuk left? 11 fewer points and 7 less goals. Man what a player.

David Clarkson? What made you think he was better all around? His +/- is deplorable in comparison to Hudler's while playing in front of a much better regular season goaltender.

Physicality is another aspect that comes into it.I think Armstrong is just a better fir for thi team right now.

Since when did physicality become necessary for a player to be successful in a puck possession system?

Unless we are selecting Armstrong for a 4th line role guy at 1 mil, which I would have no problem lift.

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Yes, and that's why we need a guy like Hudler. As a team we already have that defensive abilitiy, but lack offense. Getting Hudler helps with that. It's like we have 80 offense 100 defense and Hudler balances it to 100-100.

Of course I take a guy that is great in offense and great in defense over a guy that is great in offense but only average in defense, IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME CAP HIT. We're living in a cap era, and when we get Hudler we don't pay too much money for defense which would be "wasted" as we already have great two-way guys.

Got the point?

Got it, but you don't get the point that he's not a huge offensive guy, what does he do in playoffs? Gets laid out to give the other team momentum and be too smalls and slow to make an impact. I would sacrifice 20 points in the regular season for a guy who will actually make an impact come playoff time. Hudler's 57 points doesn't mean s*** come playoffs.

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Yes, and that's why we need a guy like Hudler. As a team we already have that defensive abilitiy, but lack offense. Getting Hudler helps with that. It's like we have 80 offense 100 defense and Hudler balances it to 100-100.

Of course I take a guy that is great in offense and great in defense over a guy that is great in offense but only average in defense, IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME CAP HIT. We're living in a cap era, and when we get Hudler we don't pay too much money for defense which would be "wasted" as we already have great two-way guys.

Got the point?

I'm just saying overall,you want most,if not all of your players to be responsible on both side of the puck.I don't think Hudler brings it.

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A well-rounded TEAM.Not a one-dimensional TEAM.

a single one dimensional (and i dispute this allegation) player does not a TEAM make. it makes a single player. count much?

and if huds is so ******* short, good! he'll skate right under the d's legs, and punch their sacs while he's doing it!

threads like this serve as a sickening reminder why the rest of the league hates our fans. seriously, you just have to be right. righter than babs, righter than kenny...

i wonder if the KHL would give me 5 million tax free to root for them...

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Oh geez.

How much physicality do you honestly think comes out of playing defense? Lidstrom is a top-5 defender EVER and has barely been physical. Datsyuk defends by takeaways. Zetterberg is one of Detroit's best shutdown players. Cleary is more of a grinder than anyone on the team.

Also Armstrong had 40 points in one year. What happened when Kovalchuk left? 11 fewer points and 7 less goals. Man what a player.

David Clarkson? What made you think he was better all around? His +/- is deplorable in comparison to Hudler's while playing in front of a much better regular season goaltender.

Since when did physicality become necessary for a player to be successful in a puck possession system?

Unless we are selecting Armstrong for a 4th line role guy at 1 mil, which I would have no problem lift.

Youre comparing guys like Z, and Datsyuk and Lidstrom, three guys who will be hall of famers to Hudler. I never said physicality meant defense, I mean if a guy pays defense as well as another guy but lays people out at the same time, the big hitter is more valuable. A healthy cleary will put up 10 more points a season then Hudler.

Armstrong is a better option then Hudler.

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Got it, but you don't get the point that he's not a huge offensive guy, what does he do in playoffs? Gets laid out to give the other team momentum and be too smalls and slow to make an impact. I would sacrifice 20 points in the regular season for a guy who will actually make an impact come playoff time. Hudler's 57 points doesn't mean s*** come playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfHeKwMR9EY

You are right, Hudler has never been clutch in the playoffs.

Youre comparing guys like Z, and Datsyuk and Lidstrom, three guys who will be hall of famers to Hudler. I never said physicality meant defense, I mean if a guy pays defense as well as another guy but lays people out at the same time, the big hitter is more valuable. A healthy cleary will put up 10 more points a season then Hudler.

Armstrong is a better option then Hudler.

My point is those guys can play defense without worrying about being so "soff".

A "healthy" Cleary has never had more points in a season than Hudler has. Not one time. What makes you think he is going to start now? On the downswing of his career? With a cushy contract to sit on?

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a single one dimensional (and i dispute this allegation) player does not a TEAM make. it makes a single player. count much?

and if huds is so ******* short, good! he'll skate right under the d's legs, and punch their sacs while he's doing it!

threads like this serve as a sickening reminder why the rest of the league hates our fans. seriously, you just have to be right. righter than babs, righter than kenny...

i wonder if the KHL would give me 5 million tax free to root for them...

Or get laid out like Newfy said....

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How is Armstrong a better fit for this team?

We're not gonna resigng more than one of Bertuzzi, Williams and Holmstrom. Top6 guys we're going to have next season: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Filppula, Bertuzzi/Williams/Holmstrom, X

Bottom6: Cleary, Helm, Draper, Abdelkader, Eaves, Miller

We already have enough bottom6 guys for next season. Of our top6 guys only two are better than Hudler offensively. Plus, three of them, Filppula, Zetterberg, Datsyuk are all good penalty killers too.

I fail to understand how Armstrong or any guy that brings us less offense and more defense for that same money could be a better option for this team. Armstrong has potential for +50, Hudler has potential for +70. Hudler is two years younger and has already played for this team and played under Babcock. You can hate all you want but I know which of them Babcock and Kenny want.

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