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#241 Opie

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:32 PM

Drake are you really expecting them to back up anything they are saying with anything that remotely resembles logic.

These are the guys saying a player who has never played in the Wings system is better suited than a guy that was already in the Wings system. And they are basing that off of the fact that said player scored fewer points while playing with superior talent than Hudler did.

See where I am going here, your logic is not working on them young Jedi!

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Oh oh oh, I forgot the main reason why he fits is he is NA and will fight, can't forget that, even though the Red Wings just had their worst season in about 19 years and showed a serious lack of scoring depth, what they really need is a guy willing to throw down!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:32 PM

I'm all for taking a North American over a shady country jumping Euro, but there's no debating between Huddles and Armstrong.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:33 PM

I'm all for taking a North American over a shady country jumping Euro, but there's no debating between Huddles and Armstrong.


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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:34 PM

Drake are you really expecting them to back up anything they are saying with anything that remotely resembles logic.

These are the guys saying a player who has never played in the Wings system is better suited than a guy that was already in the Wings system. And they are basing that off of the fact that said player scored fewer points while playing with superior talent than Hudler did.

See where I am going here, your logic is not working on them young Jedi!


I find it entertaining to continually challenge them with facts, reasoning and logic, though. The more they ignore this the more foolish they look.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:08 PM

I have no idea who this Armstrong guy is, but scoring near;y 60 points in pretty limited time in a season is quite impressive. And a post I read that Hudler is invisible in the playoffs is absurd. He's not the greatest thing since sliced bread but if he "disappears" in the playoffs, so do a lot of other NHLers in the postseason not named Zetterberg, Crosby, etc. Not wanting him on the team is one thing but don't sound like he is this awful player.

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 21 April 2010 - 10:08 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:18 PM

:rolleyes:

It's going to be fun watching you guys squirm next season with Hudler back in the lineup.

It's going to be even more fun watching you squirm next season when Hudler disappears in the playoffs (again)
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:22 PM

It's going to be even more fun watching you squirm next season when Hudler disappears in the playoffs (again)

Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.

Again, not saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if he underperforms, so do a majority of the NHLers with postseason experience. You are getting a wee bit ridiculous in undervaluing him.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:29 PM

Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.

Again, not saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but if he underperforms, so do a majority of the NHLers with postseason experience. You are getting a wee bit ridiculous in undervaluing him.

I just hope he works on his defensive game.Not a totally worthless player.Not an all star.imo he's just not what we're looking for tho.
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:18 AM

I just hope he works on his defensive game.Not a totally worthless player.Not an all star.imo he's just not what we're looking for tho.


Sure he is. We have defensive players for the PK and late game situations. What we don't have is depth scoring.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:15 AM

Didn't seem to disappear in the playoffs in 2008 when it counted most. Remember SCF game 4 perhaps? Had a respectable 2009 playoffs. Just two full playoff seasons so far and he's been solid.


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He's had 3 GWG in the last two playoff seasons. Hardly invisible.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:30 AM

I didn't see a lack of scoring as a big problem this year - with seemingly half our roster (mostly soft Euros) out with injuries (probably faking), the wings still scored at a better clip than the average team did.

On the plus side w/ Hudler, he did get into a fight this year. Granted it was with another soft Euro and was probably mostly slapping and hair-pulling, but itís a start. Any indication that he is interested in becoming a complete player is a welcome one. I think Huds is gonna be the powerforward I've been clamoring for.

Here's hoping he comes back next year and has grown into a legitimate top-6 forard who can score, hit, fight and be defensively responsable. You don't have to excell at all of them but as long as you're willing and game and try your best at each, I like you. Welcome back, Huds!
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:00 AM

Another example that we lack more offense than defense is the fact the we have a Selke nominee (winner last year) who isn't even playing on the PK. We also have Filppula and Zetterberg, both who arent among the top4 PK forwards. Then again, we have a guy like Dan Cleary who's obviously not a offensive forward playing on the PP and occasionally on top6.

Yes, the top6 needs also players who have size, but we already have Franzen and Holmstrom. Bertuzzi and Williams will probably be gone and Hudler fits there perfectly. We have the EuroTwins vol. 1 in Datsyuk-Zetterberg and EuroTwins vol. 2 in Filppula-Hudler.

I see no scenario where Armstrong or any armstrong-type player would be better fit for this team.

Also about the toughness thing and Hudler being "invicible" in the playoffs. The game is divided to offense and defense. Toughness can be part of both, but at the end only the result matters, not the way you do it. Many times players who are tougher get more points in the playoffs because the game style changes a bit and the refs don't make calls so easily. It's the result that matters and obviously when you look at the points Hudler has been ok or good in the playoffs in his role (3rd liner). Armstrong has no actual proof that he's better than Hudler in the playoffs.

I don't care if you score a goal by crashing the net or by deking the defender. It really doesn't matter to me. Obviously, for some guys here, style points matter more than the actual outcome.

Edited by Finnish Wing, 22 April 2010 - 09:03 AM.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:15 AM

You're high if you think Armstrong can even hold a candle to Hudler offensively. I mean sure, Hudler can't touch Armstrong's Selke quality defensive play (lol) but then again Armstrong does fight, is known for dirty hits and takes selfish penalties due to a lack of discipline, so that's really what you were aiming at, right?

Because if there's one thing the play of the Wings taught us this year it's that we need more grinders and not more top 6 players. Right? :lol: I guess that's the benefit of leading the league in scoring like the Wings did this year.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:20 AM

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It's going to be even more fun watching you squirm next season when Hudler disappears in the playoffs (again)


In '08 Hudler turned a line with Darren McCarty and Kris Draper into a scoring line.

Hudler has scored at a .50 PPG pace in the regular season and a .55 PPG pace in the playoffs... where scoring is down approximately 20%.
That is the exact opposite of someone "disappearing in the playoffs".
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:21 AM

:huh:

Sarcasm.

Red Wings were 7th in goals against but only 14th in goals for. And people think we lack defense.
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:25 AM

It's going to be even more fun watching you squirm next season when Hudler disappears in the playoffs (again)


Where's all this "disappears in the playoffs" nonsense coming from. Hudler has 28 points in 51 playoff games which equates to .55 points per game. In the regular season Hudler has 127 points in 255 games which is .50 points per game. How is that disappearing?

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:26 AM

Sarcasm.

Red Wings were 7th in goals against but only 14th in goals for. And people think we lack defense.

Ahh - it sometimes goes over my head :rolleyes:

I'm thru with Hudler bashing; I made my points; many here seem to know where I stand; whether we like it, or not - Huddles is gonna don the Winged Wheel for the 2010/2011 NHL season.

I honestly hope he's in great shape, has extra jump in them little legs, and scores 30 plus goals on 1 of the top 2 lines, plays with a little "edge", and proves me wrong in every aspect of the game that I questioned him in.

I've eaten crow before so the taste isn't new to me :P

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:38 AM

In '08 Hudler turned a line with Darren McCarty and Kris Draper into a scoring line.


He must be even more amazing than anyone realized to do that, what with only playing with a line of McCarty and Draper 1.73% of the time.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:41 AM

He must be even more amazing than anyone realized to do that, what with only playing with a line of McCarty and Draper 1.73% of the time.

Oops, confused Draper and Helm.
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:41 AM

I didn't see a lack of scoring as a big problem this year - with seemingly half our roster (mostly soft Euros) out with injuries (probably faking), the wings still scored at a better clip than the average team did.

On the plus side w/ Hudler, he did get into a fight this year. Granted it was with another soft Euro and was probably mostly slapping and hair-pulling, but itís a start. Any indication that he is interested in becoming a complete player is a welcome one. I think Huds is gonna be the powerforward I've been clamoring for.

Here's hoping he comes back next year and has grown into a legitimate top-6 forard who can score, hit, fight and be defensively responsable. You don't have to excell at all of them but as long as you're willing and game and try your best at each, I like you. Welcome back, Huds!

He's probably as much of a power forward then Leino is. :rolleyes:
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