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#101 zettie85

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 08:27 PM

I didn't mean to suggest that Phoenix is a bad team, but they are anything but an offensive powerhouse. They were 24th in the league for the regular season in goals scored at 211. Compared that to San Jose in 4th at 257, Chicago at 3rd with 262, Vancouver at 2nd at 268, and Washington at 1st with 313...if they were playing those teams and they were lighting Jimmy up to the tune of a GAA of close to 4 now, it'd be one thing, but this is Phoenix. They are not a powerful offensive team. That's what scares me about Jimmy Howard going forward at this point.



I see your point but I really don't think it matters. Phoenix is a defence first team. If they don't have to defend though it only leaves them one option but add the attacking element into their game. Tippet sees how bad our passes are and how weak our forecheck is at the moment and is getting his boys to play more offencive. Same results no matter who we play.
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Posted 18 April 2010 - 08:52 PM

Howard = I like the kid and I want to see him succeed. Not a really good showing so far. He needs to be spectacular in game 4 or I think we will see Oz.

Really this team looks like the January Red Wings not the March Red Wings. If they continue to play like the s*** they have, the goalie won't matter.

I'm expecting 60 full mins of effort on Tuesday, not the 20 from Game 1 or today or the 40 from game 2 - we need 60 to turn this series around....
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Posted 18 April 2010 - 08:53 PM

He absolutely hasn't been theJimmy Howard of the regular season.


Actually, he has been the Jimmy Howard of the regular season. Rebounds, rebounds, rebounds, poor angles, over commitment, and poor lateral movement. It's just getting magnified now that we are in the playoffs and teams start crashing the net.

I love Babcock and think he is the best coach in the league but he really screwed the pooch on the goalie situation this season. You cannot play one goalie this much in one season, I don't care who your goalie is. It tired Howard out and it basically dry-docks the backup. Go look at Calgary the past few seasons. They continually run Kipper into the ground during the regular season and then he breaks down in the playoffs.

At this point I'd go with Ozzie. He can't do much worse than Howard is doing. The first goal is on Howard, the second goal is on Howard, and the fourth goal is on him as well, and that's just game 3. Game 2 were full of gaffs by Howard. This is Phx, the 24th ranked offense in the NHL and they are torching Howard. What on earth is going to happen if the Wings make it out of the round and we have to play a team like Vancouver?

Ozzie's a vet. Put him in there, he will be ok. The team would probably even respond to having him in net, knowing he hasn't played in a looooong time and would tighten things up.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 08:58 PM

It's just one game, lets not overreact here.

I wouldn't start Osgood in game 4. Jimmy is our guy and we need to give him another shot.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:09 PM

Osgood wasn't playing as bad as many have come to believe. Howard came in and played great when Osgood got sick, and after that Osgood never once got a decent shot to get going again. This goes all the way back to November when there was plenty of time to sort things out.

Granted, I do believe Osgood brought this on himself to some extent as well by mouthing off, in my mind, it never should have been made to be an issue. I said this WAY back when. There was no point in even creating the possibility for a goaltending issue. There's no drama on this team and these guys support each other. Keep them both warm and see how it goes down the stretch because after all, the playoffs are a different beast. I'm not saying I'm so smart. This is simple s***...really, really simple s***.

This is how simple, and seriously, think back to November when this all started...contemplate:

Don't utterly and completely ostracize a guy who went to the Cup Finals two years in a row, winning in '08 and carrying a battered team to game 7 in '09: good idea/bad idea?

Again, I am absolutely not saying that Osgood made a wise move in running his mouth, but Babcock should not have let it ever get to the point where Osgood would be so upset to uncharacteristically run his mouth to the press. His lack of foresight on the matter was wholly and completely lacking.

And also, don't forget, aside from simply not giving Osgood any sense of consistent starts, he did little to nothing to support Osgood at all in the press in continually saying that Howard gives the team the best chance to win when asked about Osgood. True or not at the time, it's just not going to help Osgood's state of mind when he's already stewing about not getting starts. And again, not saying Osgood was right to respond, but he was responding to fairly blatant criticisms of him that Babcock initially made in the press. And the bottom line is that Babcock didn't need to be saying what he was saying. I've been saying it for a long time, Babcock was creating a mess, and that mess is really starting to look like a mistake.

And to respond to what will likely be the first rebuttal...

Sorry, I don't buy for a second that Osgood wouldn't have been able to be a part of getting this team to the playoffs if given consistent starts throughout the season. He had some rough starts, but I have no doubt that he would've gotten things together especially down the stretch when things became more critical. Osgood's a big game goalie and he lives for the playoffs; there's no way he wouldn't give all he had to get there if it was on the line. I have complete faith in that.

Well I agree with you on wishing we had the Ozzie of 08-09 going right now but with the way things went for him this year its just too late for him... Like it or not its all Howard or nothing now...

It's just one game, lets not overreact here.

I wouldn't start Osgood in game 4. Jimmy is our guy and we need to give him another shot.


11 goals in 3 games just isn't good enough... rookie or not that is very average and if you expect to win the cup Howie CANNOT be average with the D in front of him right now. He's gonna have to steal a game if we are gonna come back and take this series...
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#106 8 Legged RedWing

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:14 PM

No no and no... Jimmy earned this spot the whole season. Our defense left him out to dry today and if we yank him now we shatter his confidence. We live and die by Howard now. Osgood is only getting older and rustier. Playoffs or not.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:16 PM

It tired Howard out

How do you know? How could you possibly know?

Ozzie's a vet. Put him in there, he will be ok. The team would probably even respond to having him in net, knowing he hasn't played in a looooong time and would tighten things up.

Why is it assumed that Osgood will be ok. Why do you think that the team will automatically play better in front of Ozzie when the opposite has happened all year?

I'm an Osgood fan, always have been. Hell, I've been wearing my Osgood jersey for 14 years, but there is absolutely no way we can go to him. I hate when people say "look at the past two years, he turned it on in the playoffs". I won't argue that isn't true, but there's no guarantee he will turn it on this year. He's getting old, players decline as they get older, and I can't justify playing a 37 year old guy in the playoffs who gave up countless weak goals in the regular season (worse than last year imo) and couldn't even be counted on to give Jimmy a break.

Howard is the future, he has to learn to play through adversity. If we yank him now, or at some point during game 4, he will not be able to grow. Especially since the guy who would be replacing him did nothing to deserve a single minute of playoff time this year.
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#108 Hockeytown_Ryan

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:26 PM

It's Howard's show.

But if the team just lacks the effort in game 4 and we go down by 3ish then throw Osgood in and blame everything on him.


Wow you know its funny some people ALMOST take you seriously... Asshat!

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 18 April 2010 - 09:28 PM.


#109 Carman

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:31 PM

Wow you know its funny some people ALMOST take you seriously... Asshat!


I know, shame on me for making light of a situation, right?

Edited by Carman, 18 April 2010 - 09:31 PM.


#110 Hossa4Life

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:33 PM

I know, shame on me for making light of a situation, right?



not many people pick up on jokes in here unless you directly state your joking. I got your humor.

But I must be off, I have some jerking off to do. Oh btw I like to consider myself extremely attractive and am proud of myself for being your intellectual superior as I am going to UofM next year, and I am a better hockey player than Crosby.

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#111 Hockeytown_Ryan

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:33 PM

I know, shame on me for making light of a situation, right?


You never add anything constructive Carman.. EVER!!!! all you do is piss people off.... If that pumps your nads fine just don't expect polite posts in return...

Edited by Hockeytown_Ryan, 18 April 2010 - 09:34 PM.


#112 Carman

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:36 PM

You never add anything constructive Carman.. EVER!!!! all you do is piss people off.... If that pumps your nads fine just don't expect polite posts in return...


Never constructive?


http://www.letsgowin...showtopic=61841
http://www.letsgowin...dpost&p=1946792

Come on now, you just don't chose to read my "constructive" posts...

#113 Hockeytown_Ryan

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:41 PM

Meh hasn't been good, but he is not the reason we are losing nor is he the worst player right now.


Learn from that eh?


I'm happy with Bertuzzi. He is creating chances, hitting, and shooting. We are getting a good bang for our buck with his contract. It's just a shame he has to carry that anchor of Holmstrom around. If Homer actually capitilized on half of the chances Bertuzzi has set up for him non you would be complaining.



Hmm Yeah something to learn from there for sure.....

Never constructive?


http://www.letsgowin...showtopic=61841
http://www.letsgowin...dpost&p=1946792

Come on now, you just don't chose to read my "constructive" posts...


Still looking for one.

Bugger off.. Howard has been your man all year..... Now you don't want to see him in a low light eh? welcome to the big leagues kid! deal with it......

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:45 PM

Pumping nads?

What?

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:47 PM

As far as I'm concerned, I really understand that Howard is green in the playoffs and he was going to get some lumps. I'm more pissed off that Babcock bet the farm on Howard since December and now we have the best playoff goaltender in the last two seasons rusted pass the point of no return.

Babcock doesn't seem to inspire the team, he plays favorites constantly, and now he has a rookie goaltender that is looking pretty sad between the pipes while the one he owns a ring to is taking stats.


we wouldn't even be in the playoffs if Howard hadn't played all season. Great seasons like that don't come along all that often. And i'm sick of hearing that Ozzie "turns it on" in the playoffs. He's been inconsistent his whole career. He's gotten hot at the right time and that was great but you don't count on that. Clutch is not a skill.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:48 PM

Learn from that eh?


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Hmm Yeah something to learn from there for sure.....



Still looking for one.

Bugger off.. Howard has been your man all year..... Now you don't want to see him in a low light eh? welcome to the big leagues kid! deal with it......


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Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:51 PM

ha ha you have so many of those haters gonna hate pictures

But I must be off, I have some jerking off to do. Oh btw I like to consider myself extremely attractive and am proud of myself for being your intellectual superior as I am going to UofM next year, and I am a better hockey player than Crosby.

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#118 Outsider

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 10:28 PM

we wouldn't even be in the playoffs if Howard hadn't played all season. Great seasons like that don't come along all that often. And i'm sick of hearing that Ozzie "turns it on" in the playoffs. He's been inconsistent his whole career. He's gotten hot at the right time and that was great but you don't count on that. Clutch is not a skill.


Wow. I've kept silent for awhile now, (well....along with the whole "virus" thing on this site....hope THAT is cleared up!), but I HAD TO respond to this gem:

"Clutch" is not a skill, it's a state of being. And it is absolutely what separates a "good" Player from a Champion.

There is NOTHING more important in any must Win situation than being Clutch. Billy Smith was a TERRIBLE regular season goalie. He made a Hall of Fame career out of being......

Clutch.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 10:33 PM

Very first post. I have been at most before this a casual hockey fan. JHoe is from my home town and I have been following the Wings because of that. I haven't seen Osgood's past accomplishments, but know he is a great goalie to have achieved them. I also believe he is a great person in helping coach Jimmy to the season that he has had. I can go back and pull stats and sound like I know what I'm talking about, but it wouldn't make any difference. Jimmy had a bad game today. He hasn't had great games before this in the playoffs, but he hasn't been bad like today. He is a rookie and I think the pressure is getting to this man who has been so cool and strong thoughout the season. Look at his reaction to the 4th goal. He is blaming himself, but needs to keep the doubts away. I know he can handle it.

There have been games I wish I saw Ozzie start just to balance the goalie situation. I agree that the wings are in a corner and Howard has to get it done. The team knows he helped get them here and I think will play their best in front of him. Their best has not always been very good in many games this season. Some Jimmy won for them, some he lost on them. The Redwings need to win game 4! Jimmy Howard will be in goal giving everything he can for the team. It isn't about him vs Ozgood. It's about the Redwings vs the Yotes. Everyone needs to stand behind the team and watch them perform to their abilities ... they can and will win this ...

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 10:34 PM

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Wow, I thought all this time you were biased against him. What changed your tune?
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