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#21 seeinred

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:31 AM

I could swear there was a rule in the stating if the goalies helmet comes off, the play is automatically called dead, which the refs did not do.


Unless they've changed that, that's the rule plus one little important part that applies here, and that's if there's an immediate scoring chance.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:32 AM

Yeah RivalRed I was almost 100% positive of that rule myself but the way the game went I started to wonder if it was only College. But I am almost 100% they are supposed to stop the game immediately!

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 09:34 AM

I could swear there was a rule in the stating if the goalies helmet comes off, the play is automatically called dead, which the refs did not do.


There is... Ken & Mick were talking about it.

They initially said they weren't sure what would happen if the rebound was made in before the whistle (which was pretty quick). Ken later made it sound as though it would have counted.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:10 AM

Here is the rule 9.5.

When a goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask and his team has possession of the puck, the play shall be stopped immediately to allow the goalkeeper the opportunity to regain his helmet and/or face mask. When the opposing team has possession of the puck, play shall only be stopped if there is no immediate and impending scoring opportunity. This stoppage of play must be made by the Referee. When play is stopped because the goalkeeper has lost his helmet and/or face mask, the ensuing face-off shall take place at one of the defending team’s end zone face-off spots.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:39 AM

I understand the NHL wants more scoring and does not want to blow the play dead if that does occur, but at the same time, the safety of the players is a big thing and Howard would of easy taken that rebound right in the face.

Some modifications need to be made to that rule IMHO - give the refs the choice to blow he play dead if potential harm can occur to the goalie.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:41 AM

That rule makes no sense. When the goaltender loses his mask, the play should be stoppped immediately, regardless of who has the puck. It's a safety issue.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 10:59 AM

That rule makes no sense. When the goaltender loses his mask, the play should be stoppped immediately, regardless of who has the puck. It's a safety issue.


In that case if the other team has a breakaway or something then the goalie could just rip off his mask and play would have to be stoped

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:03 AM

Could easily be abused if there weren't the "immediate scoring chance" part in there.

Other team is swarming, goalie can't freeze the puck - OOPS! my helmet fell off - puck frozen, face off granted.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:07 AM

well the simple solution to that is any intentional throwing of the goalie mask is a penalty or Penalty shot.

I really think they should stop the play instantly, even if it were the other way around (as in Det has the scoring chance).

Safety is a big issue, can you imagine if some one (unintentionally) from the Yotes was able to get a quick spin around slap shot of on the rebound, get it up in his face, that has broken bones written all over it.

There is a reason goalies are not allowed to play sans mask, this is not the original 6 era any more, players would not refuse to shoot high, granted curve of blade makes some of the top shelf shots easier now than they were back in the day. The way some of the guys in the league hit, I can hardly imagine what they would do given the chance to rip a shot at a mask-less goalie.

Can you imagine if that puck lands on Steve Downie's stick ( I know wrong team but bare with me, please), how many of you for a second don't worry about him firing a shot off of Jimmy's face intentionally? Even for a second, I would not trust that Downie in that situation.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:16 AM

In that case if the other team has a breakaway or something then the goalie could just rip off his mask and play would have to be stoped


Solved with the immediate awarding of a penalty shot if a goaltender "loses" his mask.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:24 AM

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:39 AM

That rule makes no sense. When the goaltender loses his mask, the play should be stoppped immediately, regardless of who has the puck. It's a safety issue.


If the whistle was blown every time something dangerous happened games would take all day.

The rule makes sense. Say that Jimmy doesn't get that save and it goes off his mask (which falls off) and goes in the net. That goal counts.

I actually remember the rule going in the Wings' favor a couple years ago. May have even been in the playoffs. Shot went off the goalie mask, which fell off, and then the puck was put in the net by a Wing. The rule was explained and the reasoning was that even if the mask had stayed on the goalie wouldn't have been able to make the save anyway.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:42 AM

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Someone needs to write "HATERS GONNA HATE" on this one. :D

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 11:58 AM

Lots of players stand in front of the net without Goalie masks on, the rule is perfect as it is. Stop play as soon as the immediate scoring opportunity has passed.
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:02 PM

I wonder if that rule has been tweeked over the years. I clearly recall the Wings playing Edmonton in the POs and Roloson's mask regularly "falling" off during net front scrums and the refs blowing the play dead. In fact Rolo used that tactic for the remainder of the run so there probably is plenty of pics avail (no time to search right now).
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:13 PM

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:14 PM

If you don't have the heart of a lion to stop the puck without a mask, then just get out of the way and get scored on. Simple solution.

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:31 PM

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Posted 21 April 2010 - 12:58 PM

In that case if the other team has a breakaway or something then the goalie could just rip off his mask and play would have to be stoped

lmao and that's why i dont have a problem with them not blowing it dead.it was badass :thumbup:
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Posted 21 April 2010 - 01:03 PM

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