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Kenny obviously also wants Bert back, how do you know what Kennys priorities are? Oh but wait he's a small euro something that you love on this team so you assume he's first priority.

Maybe because Hudler IS COMING back and Bertuzzi may or may not come back? If Kenny wants Bert back so badly (or more than Hudler) I think they'd signed with him already.

And no, as I said I don't care how the results come as long as the come. You people DON'T like Hudler - even if he's tearing it up - just because he is "soft euro" or something like that.

But yeah I do like the way the Red Wings have been playing in the past - skill and puck possession. That's been the key for that success and it's a part of the identity. I find it kinda funny that there are more people critizing these kinda skilled player that have been common in the team rather than the opposite kinda tough guys.

I have nothing against skilled players or tough guys as long as they get the job done. But this team lacks more offense than defense right now and it's a fact.

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Maybe because Hudler IS COMING back and Bertuzzi may or may not come back? If Kenny wants Bert back so badly (or more than Hudler) I think they'd signed with him already.

And no, as I said I don't care how the results come as long as the come. You people DON'T like Hudler - even if he's tearing it up - just because he is "soft euro" or something like that.

But yeah I do like the way the Red Wings have been playing in the past - skill and puck possession. That's been the key for that success and it's a part of the identity. I find it kinda funny that there are more people critizing these kinda skilled player that have been common in the team rather than the opposite kinda tough guys.

I have nothing against skilled players or tough guys as long as they get the job done. But this team lacks more offense than defense right now and it's a fact.

I'm sure if Bertuzzi was playing in a far away country on a team that just folded, he would say he is coming back too. They haven't resigned Lidstrom so does that mean Hudler is higher priority then him just because he hasn't resiged yet? No it means they are actually on our team now so they'll have to wait for playoffs to be done just like every year.

Oh and the wings have never had an identity as a soft team really. Oly the last like 4 years and they are shifting towards a less skilled, grittier game and tougher game on the bottom lines already so it shows that Kenny is already moving away from small europeans.

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Here's the OFF-SEASON plan:

RE-SIGN:

UFA's:

Lidstrom (7.5 M) - large discount, 1-2 yrs.

Holmstrom (2.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

Lilja (1.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

RFA's:

Abdelkader (0.8 M) - slight raise.

Helm (0.6 M) - slight raise.

Miller (0.5 M) - slight raise.

DO NOT RE-SIGN: (...at least to NHL contracts)

UFA's:

Bertuzzi (1.5 M) - need to replace him with someone that hits on the third line.

Williams (1.5 M) - no place on the team with hudler back.

Maltby (0.9 M) - nice time to retire.

Lebda (0.7 M) - no room for him with kindl.

RFA's:

Meech (0.5 M) - no room for him with kindl.

source - http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=15

2010/11 LINES:

FORWARDS:

1) Datsyuk-Zeterberg-Holmstrom - let's get a DOMINANT first line back together next season!

2) Hudler-Filppula-Franzen - let's see if Flip and Huds can develop the same kind of chemistry as Hank and Pav.

3) Cleary-Abdelkader-(FA?) - need to replace Bert with someone that hits, and plays great defense. any ideas?

4) Miller/Draper-Helm-Eaves - great defensive 4th line with almost no cap hit.

DEFENSEMEN:

1) Lidstrom-Rafalski - still a solid 1st pairing.

2) Kronwall-Stuart - still a solid 2nd pairing.

3) Ericsson/Kindl - Lilja - Ericsson is on the bubble. I wouldn't be opposed to trading him while he's still got a ton of value.

GOALIES:

Howard - the next ryan miller.

Osgood - it'd be nice if he served one more season as a mentor.

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Here's the OFF-SEASON plan:

RE-SIGN:

UFA's:

Lidstrom (7.5 M) - large discount, 1-2 yrs.

Holmstrom (2.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

Lilja (1.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

RFA's:

Abdelkader (0.8 M) - slight raise.

Helm (0.6 M) - slight raise.

Miller (0.5 M) - slight raise.

DO NOT RE-SIGN: (...at least to NHL contracts)

UFA's:

Bertuzzi (1.5 M) - need to replace him with someone that hits on the third line.

Williams (1.5 M) - no place on the team with hudler back.

Maltby (0.9 M) - nice time to retire.

Lebda (0.7 M) - no room for him with kindl.

RFA's:

Meech (0.5 M) - no room for him with kindl.

source - http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=15

2010/11 LINES:

FORWARDS:

1) Datsyuk-Zeterberg-Holmstrom - let's get a DOMINANT first line back together next season!

2) Hudler-Filppula-Franzen - let's see if Flip and Huds can develop the same kind of chemistry as Hank and Pav.

3) Cleary-Abdelkader-(FA?) - need to replace Bert with someone that hits, and plays great defense. any ideas?

4) Miller/Draper-Helm-Eaves - great defensive 4th line with almost no cap hit.

DEFENSEMEN:

1) Lidstrom-Rafalski - still a solid 1st pairing.

2) Kronwall-Stuart - still a solid 2nd pairing.

3) Ericsson/Kindl - Lilja - Ericsson is on the bubble. I wouldn't be opposed to trading him while he's still got a ton of value.

GOALIES:

Howard - the next ryan miller.

Osgood - it'd be nice if he served one more season as a mentor.

This would be a good spot for Colby Armstrong or if Jersey is going for a shake up and we can get him, David Clarkson.

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Enough already with this Armstrong/Clarkson nonsense.

Whats nonsense about it? Who would you plug into a 3rd line roll that is a free agent this year? I don't see any great suggestions from you, let me guess you would rather have Leino in there or something?

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Here's the OFF-SEASON plan:

RE-SIGN:

UFA's:

Lidstrom (7.5 M) - large discount, 1-2 yrs.

Holmstrom (2.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

Lilja (1.2 M) - slight discount, 1 yr.

RFA's:

Abdelkader (0.8 M) - slight raise.

Helm (0.6 M) - slight raise.

Miller (0.5 M) - slight raise.

DO NOT RE-SIGN: (...at least to NHL contracts)

UFA's:

Bertuzzi (1.5 M) - need to replace him with someone that hits on the third line.

Williams (1.5 M) - no place on the team with hudler back.

Maltby (0.9 M) - nice time to retire.

Lebda (0.7 M) - no room for him with kindl.

RFA's:

Meech (0.5 M) - no room for him with kindl.

source - http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=15

2010/11 LINES:

FORWARDS:

1) Datsyuk-Zeterberg-Holmstrom - let's get a DOMINANT first line back together next season!

2) Hudler-Filppula-Franzen - let's see if Flip and Huds can develop the same kind of chemistry as Hank and Pav.

3) Cleary-Abdelkader-(FA?) - need to replace Bert with someone that hits, and plays great defense. any ideas?

4) Miller/Draper-Helm-Eaves - great defensive 4th line with almost no cap hit.

DEFENSEMEN:

1) Lidstrom-Rafalski - still a solid 1st pairing.

2) Kronwall-Stuart - still a solid 2nd pairing.

3) Ericsson/Kindl - Lilja - Ericsson is on the bubble. I wouldn't be opposed to trading him while he's still got a ton of value.

GOALIES:

Howard - the next ryan miller.

Osgood - it'd be nice if he served one more season as a mentor.

I looked into it a little bit and fonud some guys who I think could be great fits on the third line especially now that our third line seems to be moving towards a more physical approach to the game. In order of who I would want.

Eric Nystrom

Brad Winchester

Aaron Asham

Jim Slater

Matt Hendricks - hes young at 27 and is really making a name for himself in Colly as a tough player but he can put the puck in the net as well.

I picked guys who can play physical and still play the game to go along with our recent addition of a s*** disturbor in Abby.

And of course Clarkson or Armsrong as well would be great fits.

Edited by newfy

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Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Bertuzzi-Filppula-Franzen

Hudler-Abdelkader-Cleary

Miller-Helm-Eaves

Draper-Ritola

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Ericsson-Lilja

Kindl

Howard-Osgood

This is what the line up should look like next season with obvious tinkering and line juggling happening. This is 100% accurate.

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Oh and the wings have never had an identity as a soft team really. Oly the last like 4 years and they are shifting towards a less skilled, grittier game and tougher game on the bottom lines already so it shows that Kenny is already moving away from small europeans.

I never said anything about soft. Just skilled.

And I doubt they make that mistake because the game of hockey is moving right towards puck possession and skill, actually playing the game, not some anti-hockey. Red Wings are not anymore the only team with that kinda game style. Canucks and Sharks have also been trying to move towards that.

The modern style of hockey is about skill and puck possession. It's not like the 80's or 90's anymore. Sure, it can change back in the future.

Bolded part: You hope that don't ya? Why only Europeans? You think Kenny's a racist like you? I think this organization knows the value of skilled players and Red Wings have had the most skilled European players for many years now. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Edited by Finnish Wing

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I looked into it a little bit and fonud some guys who I think could be great fits on the third line especially now that our third line seems to be moving towards a more physical approach to the game. In order of who I would want.

Eric Nystrom

Brad Winchester

Aaron Asham

Jim Slater

Matt Hendricks - hes young at 27 and is really making a name for himself in Colly as a tough player but he can put the puck in the net as well.

I picked guys who can play physical and still play the game to go along with our recent addition of a s*** disturbor in Abby.

And of course Clarkson or Armsrong as well would be great fits.

Those guys are like 4th liners on worst teams than the Wings.

I support getting a enforcer to the 4th line, but there's no way a guy like Asham is playing in the Detroit Red Wings 3rd line, sorry. Armstrong or Clarkson could be there, but will there be enough cap space?

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Holmstrom

Hudler-Filppula-Franzen

Cleary-Helm-Eaves

Miller-Abdelkader-"enforcer"

+ Draper, Ritola

Lidstrom-Rafalski

Kronwall-Stuart

Kindl-Ericsson

+ Meech

Howard

Osgood

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You think Kenny's a racist like you?

If you're going to accuse people of being racists, please at least be clear. Which race(s) specifically do you figure Newfy thinks are superior and which inferior?

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If you're going to accuse people of being racists, please at least be clear. Which race(s) specifically do you figure Newfy thinks are superior and which inferior?

Big North Americans vs. Tiny Soft Europeans.

Although I think average European is tougher than average American.

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but there's no way a guy like Asham is playing in the Detroit Red Wings 3rd line, sorry.

I agree that Asham won't be here next year - but why do you figure he wouldn't play on Detroit's 3rd line? I think he's every bit the player that Helm, Eaves and Cleary are.

Big North Americans vs. Tiny Soft Europeans.

I'm not familiar with either of those races.

Although I think average European is tougher than average American.

Based on what, exactly? Be thorough. Show your work.

I don't think you watched Rocky IV all the way to the end.

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Based on what, exactly? Be thorough. Show your work.

I don't think you watched Rocky IV all the way to the end.

That's just how I see it, just like you see many things the opposite way. If we start making arguments about actual tougness - which is impossible to measure - it's gonna be a long conversation and I don't have time for that. I don't have to have some statistical fact backing up everything I THINK.

Ahh Rocky movies, one of the greatest pieces of propaganda I've seen. Although Rocky was Italian American. I don't know about movie boxing, but I think there are more Europeans dominating that sport in the real life.

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That's just how I see it, just like you see many things the opposite way. If we start making arguments about actual tougness - which is impossible to measure - it's gonna be a long conversation and I don't have time for that. I don't have to have some statistical fact backing up everything I THINK.

Fair enough. I don't think many Americans or Europeans are very tough. Most have gotten pretty soft since graduating from mostly agrarian economies.

Ahh Rocky movies, one of the greatest pieces of propaganda I've seen. Although Rocky was Italian American. I don't know about movie boxing, but I think there are more Europeans dominating that sport in the real life.

By American, you mean "North American", right - or are you putting the single country United States (pop 307m) up against the continent of Europe (pop 731)? Either way, North America v Europe, or USA (weighted for population) vs. Europe, West of the Atlantic stacks up pretty well in boxing.

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If you're going to accuse people of being racists, please at least be clear. Which race(s) specifically do you figure Newfy thinks are superior and which inferior?

Big North Americans vs. Tiny Soft Europeans.

Although I think average European is tougher than average American.

To Clarify, that would be nationalism and not rascism.

"Nationalism involves a strong identification of one's social identity with that of a nation or state. The subject can include the belief that one's nation is of primary importance.[1] It is also used to describe a movement to establish or protect a homeland (usually an autonomous state) for an ethnic group. In some cases the identification of a homogeneous national culture is combined with a negative view of other races or cultures. [2] Nationalism is sometimes reactionary, calling for a return to a national past, and sometimes for the expulsion of foreigners. Other forms of nationalism are revolutionary, calling for the establishment of an independent state as a homeland for an ethnic underclass.

Nationalism emphasizes collective identity - a 'people' must be autonomous, united, and express a single national culture.[3] However, some nationalists stress individualism as an important part of their own national identity.[4]"

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Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described[weasel words] as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics . In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

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By American, you mean "North American", right - or are you putting the single country United States (pop 307m) up against the continent of Europe (pop 731)? Either way, North America v Europe, or USA (weighted for population) vs. Europe, West of the Atlantic stacks up pretty well in boxing.

I don't think I'm the one to start this North Americans vs. Europeans thing here. Some people here just have some kinda image of every European.

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April 25, 2010 // 9:58am ET

Hudler set to return to Wings

TheFourthPeriod.com

Jiri Hudler is expected to officially re-join the Red Wings as the club will likely finalize the details of his return this coming week, reports the Detroit Booth News.

Hudler, 26, has informed Red Wings GM Ken Holland that he will be back with the team next season, with an official announcement coming in the next few days.

Hudler has a two-year contract with Detroit with an annual cap hit of $2.875 million, a deal awarded via arbitration last summer.

This past season, Hudler played for Dynamo Moscow of the KHL, but was recently released from his contract as the team battles financial woes.

According to the Booth News, the Wings now have 14 players signed for the 2010-11 season, including Hudler, Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Johan Franzen, Valtteri Filppula, Dan Cleary, and Kris Draper; defensemen Brian Rafalski, Brad Stuart, Niklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson and Jakub Kindl; and goaltenders Chris Osgood and Jimmy Howard.

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To Clarify, that would be nationalism and not rascism.

"Nationalism involves a strong identification of one's social identity with that of a nation or state. The subject can include the belief that one's nation is of primary importance.[1] It is also used to describe a movement to establish or protect a homeland (usually an autonomous state) for an ethnic group. In some cases the identification of a homogeneous national culture is combined with a negative view of other races or cultures. [2] Nationalism is sometimes reactionary, calling for a return to a national past, and sometimes for the expulsion of foreigners. Other forms of nationalism are revolutionary, calling for the establishment of an independent state as a homeland for an ethnic underclass.

Nationalism emphasizes collective identity - a 'people' must be autonomous, united, and express a single national culture.[3] However, some nationalists stress individualism as an important part of their own national identity.[4]"

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Racism is the belief that race is a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Or, on the opposite side, racism can be described[weasel words] as the belief that a certain race or races portray undesirable characteristics . In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

Or more precisely a xenophobe:

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

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Or more precisely a xenophobe:

A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

Xenophobia did rear it's ugly head on LGW a bit durring the Olympics, but thankfully its not a common thing around these parts. I'm sure guys like Newfy and F. Michael and that one guy who was always right about everything and make everyone else look stupid until he got banned would agree - there are (and were) tough European players. Oliwa, Chara, Bobby Nystrom, Ivanans, Nolan, Tollefson - none of those guys are soft gutless wieners afraid to get dirty or bloody when the time is right. Europe has produces some players who have not choosen to be cowards, I salute them:) Sadly, the % of complete players who are willing risk their own face to stand up for themselves or a teammate is lower than it is for Europeans than it is for NA guys. I for one have no contempt whatsoever for the European players who happen to be gutless - in fact, I kind of feel sad for them (just as I would for gutless NA players). I think of how Johan Franzen must feel when his kids watch Youtube clips of him diving to the ice in fear of noted heaveyweight-champion-of-the-league Ryan Getlaf, as the linesman looks on and laughs at Franzens's cowardly display, and I can't help but feel bad for him. I'm sure that rolling around in his money pile takes some of that sting away, but I'm sure a bit still lingers.

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