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[teebo]

hossa is a classic playoff choker, nothing new here.

[Hossa4Life]

hossa is a classic playoff choker, nothing new here.

classic uneducated post

[RockyMountainWingGal]

Hossa was the only one of the under-performers making 7.4 million and had the biggest reason to perform.

His injury didn't stop him from scoring 40 goals but he did not play up to his potential at all in the playoffs. Scoring in THREE GAMES of 20 or so is not what you should get out of a forward of his caliber.

Yeah not sure why people still make excuses for him. Here was a guy with all the motivation in the world to show up and win himself and the team a Stanley Cup and his excuse was "I was nervous against my old team".

I know he is a good all around player but 6G 9A in 22 games for a top line player isn't worth 7.4mill. And if I recall he had no (or 1?) goals in the finals. Just disappointing all around. s*** Franzen just had 4G and 2a in one game.

Nice enough guy but a big failure for the Wings in the POs. Did other guys not show up in games 6&7? sure but he had the BIGGEST reason to show up and still didn't = no heart

[mjtm77]

Hossa is...

[Hossa4Life]

Yeah not sure why people still make excuses for him. Here was a guy with all the motivation in the world to show up and win himself and the team a Stanley Cup and his excuse was "I was nervous against my old team".

I know he is a good all around player but 6G 9A in 22 games for a top line player isn't worth 7.4mill. And if I recall he had no (or 1?) goals in the finals. Just disappointing all around. s*** Franzen just had 4G and 2a in one game.

Nice enough guy but a big failure for the Wings in the POs. Did other guys not show up in games 6&7? sure but he had the BIGGEST reason to show up and still didn't = no heart

This post doenst mean anything because you compared a human to a pure mule.

[Carman]

I don't get why people don't understand that he had a torn rotator cuff that severely impacted his shoulder strength thus directly impacting his ability to shoot. It's not rocket science, are we going to hold every player to the fire due to injuries?

He neededf****** surgery and missed the first couple months of the next season.
It's not hard to realize that his injury impacted his ability in the playoffs.


Just Detroit fans being Detroit fans that want to blame someone that isn't apart of the team anymore to just blame something.

Pittsburgh was the better team last year, deal with it.

[Hossa4Life]

I don't get why people don't understand that he had a torn rotator cuff that severely impacted his shoulder strength thus directly impacting his ability to shoot. It's not rocket science, are we going to hold every player to the fire due to injuries?

He neededf****** surgery and missed the first couple months of the next season.
It's not hard to realize that his injury impacted his ability in the playoffs.


Just Detroit fans being Detroit fans that want to blame someone that isn't apart of the team anymore to just blame something.

Pittsburgh was the better team last year, deal with it.

This minus the pens being the best

Edited by Hossa4Life, 06 May 2010 - 11:49 PM.

[Doc Holliday]

I don't get why people don't understand that he had a torn rotator cuff that severely impacted his shoulder strength thus directly impacting his ability to shoot. It's not rocket science, are we going to hold every player to the fire due to injuries?

He neededf****** surgery and missed the first couple months of the next season.
It's not hard to realize that his injury impacted his ability in the playoffs.


Just Detroit fans being Detroit fans that want to blame someone that isn't apart of the team anymore to just blame something.

Pittsburgh was the better team last year, deal with it.

Once again I don't buy the "injury was the reason" excuse. Sure he had an injury. But he was able to score 40 goals in the regular season. And at times was a monster in the playoffs (see game 4 of the first 3 series). The guy just did not get it done, injury or not. And he isn't doing much better on a stacked Chicago team either, injury or not.

I love Hossa to death but he just did not get it done and was not worth getting rid of Franzen or another key piece to the Red Wings machine.

[Carman]

Once again I don't buy the "injury was the reason" excuse. Sure he had an injury. But he was able to score 40 goals in the regular season. And at times was a monster in the playoffs (see game 4 of the first 3 series). The guy just did not get it done, injury or not. And he isn't doing much better on a stacked Chicago team either, injury or not.

I love Hossa to death but he just did not get it done and was not worth getting rid of Franzen or another key piece to the Red Wings machine.

So you don't buy into a torn rotator cuff injury getting worse? What the hell kind of world do you live in Doc?

For the record I think the Wings did the right thing for the team in not signing Hossa over Franzen.

Edited by Carman, 07 May 2010 - 12:06 AM.

[Hossa4Life]

So you don't buy into a torn rotator cuff injury getting worse? What the hell kind of world do you live in Doc?

For the record I think the Wings did the right thing for the team in not signing Hossa over Franzen.

yea we are going to trade for him this offseason anyways

[clutchngrab]

Hossa was dominating the offensive zone and finishing checks with no lid on last night. It was awesome. The Hossa-Kopecky-Sharp line looked great.

esteef

I really don't get Kopecky on that line - I know they are Czech buddies and all, but is Q really that much of a tool?

[Hossa4Life]

I really don't get Kopecky on that line - I know they are Czech buddies and all, but is Q really that much of a tool?

O he is a tool alright

[Blackhawkdown]

Funny how I never said that.

I said that he is being paid a certain amount and he needs to earn that amount. He didn't earn it in the playoffs, let alone for another contract in place of one of Detroit's draftees (who has scored more goals in the 2008+2009 playoffs than the last two Conn Smythe winners)



Kenny Holland cares.



"Gave it his all" sounds like something you tell the guys who end up losing in the end. Ergo it is meaningless. His role was to score goals and he didn't do that for the team. He lost it in the playoffs and he hasn't shown a vast improvement with the Hawks. Actually he isn't even outscoring last post-season's Hossa right now (unless he scores 2 goals in game 4).



If he was able to fight through the injuries he should have had more than 6 goals scored in 3/25 games. You can't say "well he is a great player who fought through injuries" when he succeeds then say "oh he is still a great player but he was injured" right after that.

I have nothing against Hossa and hope he wins the cup in his career. But to say he did what it took to win is ridiculous. He isn't the only one who underachieved either.

I have to quote this whole post, because you are about the biggest dumbass I have seen on this board. Your knowledge of hockey is laughable.

[Carman]

I have to quote this whole post, because you are about the biggest dumbass I have seen on this board. Your knowledge of hockey is laughable.

Nah, I usually always agree with Doc. Just not seeing where he is coming from in this certain issue. No need to call him a dumbass just because you disagree.

[Blackhawkdown]

Nah, I usually always agree with Doc. Just not seeing where he is coming from in this certain issue. No need to call him a dumbass just because you disagree.

I call him that for other reasons, but I dont want to get into that.

simple fact is he is acting like an injury like Hossa had is no excuse, which is just really stupid to me.

[Blackhawkdown]

Actually Doc, I want to apologize for calling you that, it was out of line. I was just drunk last night and had a s***ty night, so when I read your post it hit me the wrong way. I still strongly disagree with your opinion on this, but I was out of line. Again, my bad.

[zata20]

Didn't Max Talbot have shoulder surgery in the offseason last year to repair a torn labrum that kept him out several months?(Had both goals in Game 7 for the Pens last year) Just Sayin...

[Doc Holliday]

So you don't buy into a torn rotator cuff injury getting worse? What the hell kind of world do you live in Doc?

For the record I think the Wings did the right thing for the team in not signing Hossa over Franzen.

So what? His injury is only a factor when he isn't scoring? I never said I didn't buy a torn rotator cuff injury getting worse.

The guy scored 2 goals in three game 4s. When exactly did his injury start to get worse and if so how did he suddenly score in pairs like that? My point is he underacheived, and you can say the injury made that okay, but the point is obvious that he did not play up to his potential.

And since you all seem to be ignoring it what excuse does he have this year for having a sub-par playoff performance? (In fact goal scoring wise he is doing worse this year)

I will reiterate ONCE AGAIN that I loved Hossa on this team and was sad to see him go. But he did not perform to the expectations required of him and if his injury was going to be such a factor he should have had the surgery two years ago when they signed him. Either that or the trainers should be fired.

[RedLightGoesOn]

Hossa wasn't worth the money or what else it would cost Detroit to keep him. Honestly, Hossa is taking the money (I don't blame him) and plays for Cup contender teams. If he doesn't win the Cup, he has a great deal of cash at the least. Of course we all had big expectations of Hossa, especially after his regular season performance. Scoring only in 3 games during the playoffs is not what we wanted from him, especially for the price. That may fly for other teams, but not with us. If i recall correctly, Datsyuk was snake bit on scoring as well. Why would we want another player to compete with him?

[YzermanLives]

http://redwings.nhl.....htm?id=8466148

Meh...

Edited by YzermanLives, 07 May 2010 - 03:13 PM.