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#81 atodaso

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 03:49 PM

*bump*


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 05:08 PM

I'd comment, but every comment I've made about bad reffing since I've been a member here has just been deleted...

As I assume this one will too...

*sigh*

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 07:55 PM

I ought to get better skating lessons and apply to be a ref as a 2nd job. Because I couldn't be worse than the NHL brass in general. It didn't fully cost the Wings this game today obviously but another example of idiot rules and officiating with the intent to blow rule, etc.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 07:59 PM

Reffing didn't lose us this game, poor play did. if you honestly think the refs lost the game for us, then I don't know what to tell you...
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 08:06 PM

Reffing didn't lose us this game, poor play did. if you honestly think the refs lost the game for us, then I don't know what to tell you...

Definitely didn't, but it played a bigger hand than is necessary in the stupid Intent to Blow the Whistle rule, which needs to burn a fiery death. All I ask of officials is to try to be as consistent as possible, and to get calls right if they go to review or need video evidence. If you're going to call 15 penalties a game, cool. Do it fairly for both teams. If you are just going to call 3, don't call anything dinky and let them play. It's a combination of bad officiating as well as stupid rules.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 09:57 PM

Reffing didn't lose us this game, poor play did. if you honestly think the refs lost the game for us, then I don't know what to tell you...


I know. I'm not blaming the officiating for a Wings loss like I did when I was 11.

The NHL officiating is a joke, period. Another perfect example is Los Angeles getting boned on the obvious high-sticking goal. The bad part is that they aren't held accountable for their actions, and anyone who questions them is punished.

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 11:14 AM

Definitely didn't, but it played a bigger hand than is necessary in the stupid Intent to Blow the Whistle rule, which needs to burn a fiery death. All I ask of officials is to try to be as consistent as possible, and to get calls right if they go to review or need video evidence. If you're going to call 15 penalties a game, cool. Do it fairly for both teams. If you are just going to call 3, don't call anything dinky and let them play. It's a combination of bad officiating as well as stupid rules.


As a fan of the game..I HATE that rule....

As a referee...I HATE the wording and interpretation of that rule!

As Irony would have it I had to blow a play dead because I lost sight of the puck in a scrum in front of the net,
in the time it took me to raise my hand to blow the whistle the puck went in..By rule the play was dead and I had to call the
goal back and drop the puck...After the game I was told by the coach it would of been that kids 1st goal...

It was only MY 1st game as a Ref.

If that rule was explained to the fans better.. I think it would be better understood.

Its not "Intent to blow the whistle" it is "Puck is out of sight and the play MUST be blown dead....NO EXCEPTIONS!"
Day one ...Refs are told...When you lose sight of the puck for ANY reason... Blow the Whistle!

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 11:31 AM

Reffing didn't lose us this game, poor play did. if you honestly think the refs lost the game for us, then I don't know what to tell you...


I'm sorry, can you pick out one post here that blames the refs for this loss?

How come every time something about the refs is brought up, there's always somebody that has to say something to this effect even though that's not what people were getting at? Do refs need to actually cost us a game before we can bring up what jokes they are?

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 12:14 PM

As a fan of the game..I HATE that rule....

As a referee...I HATE the wording and interpretation of that rule!

As Irony would have it I had to blow a play dead because I lost sight of the puck in a scrum in front of the net,
in the time it took me to raise my hand to blow the whistle the puck went in..By rule the play was dead and I had to call the
goal back and drop the puck...After the game I was told by the coach it would of been that kids 1st goal...

It was only MY 1st game as a Ref.

If that rule was explained to the fans better.. I think it would be better understood.

Its not "Intent to blow the whistle" it is "Puck is out of sight and the play MUST be blown dead....NO EXCEPTIONS!"
Day one ...Refs are told...When you lose sight of the puck for ANY reason... Blow the Whistle!

Bingo, you put it perfectly in bold.

Just as aggravating as that can be, more often than not I don't get all that irked with this because it is a fast game and you have to make calls in the heat of the moment, just like I had to do as an official in football and soccer in the past.

As irked as I was at the time in the 2009 playoffs when that Hossa goal was called off late in the game that would've forced overtime in Anaheim I believe, I understand losing sight of the puck. I think in the final game of last season's playoffs when we blew out Phoenix to advance, I think Bertuzzi had a goal waved off due to a fast whistle and losing sight with the puck. It sucks, but there is no grey area when it comes to that. "I lost sight of the puck, I can't find it, I'm blowing the whistle". There is no room to question the official on if he meant to do something else or whatever. It's just a matter of how long he waits to blow the play dead, but that's just impossible to determine or set a rule on.

Intent to blow the whistle is so stupid. Well, I intend to work out. I intend to go to work on Monday. Doesn't mean all the above will happen. I might run into traffic. I might get sick tonight or have car trouble tomorrow forcing me not to go. That means I DIDN'T go to work or whatever. If they go by this, it should be if the puck crossed the line before the whistle is blown, it's a goal. If it didn't, then it's not. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. The way this rule is now, it is impossible for an official to not look like an idiot and there is too much grey area involved.

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 23 January 2011 - 12:19 PM.


#90 Konnan511

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 12:31 PM

I'm sorry, can you pick out one post here that blames the refs for this loss?

How come every time something about the refs is brought up, there's always somebody that has to say something to this effect even though that's not what people were getting at? Do refs need to actually cost us a game before we can bring up what jokes they are?

I can go through the GDT and the I hate the Hawks thread and find a dozen instances of it. Plus, most of them were deleted by the mods as well in the GDT.
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#91 scottj

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 01:01 PM

can you please? can you find me some posts that actually blame the loss on the refs?

just an fyi: saying that we lost cause of the refs =/= saying that the refs are morons

go in the gdt and hawks thread n post it in there... cause nobody here blamed the refs

#92 Konnan511

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Posted 23 January 2011 - 04:23 PM

I don't have the need or want to, otherwise I would. You can go through it find a few, and like I said, a lot of the posts were deleted by the mods. Feel free to PM them and they'll tell you they did.

And I never once claimed that "we lost cause of the refs = saying that the refs are morons", because I do agree that refs are morons.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 11:07 PM

The War Room once again blew a call, this time involving Carolina and Toronto. Highlights on NHL.com.

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#94 scottj

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:11 AM

lol jesus christ... this is just getting embarrassing now. It seems like the people in the war room are getting just as drunk as the regular hockey fan.

If anybody wants to skip through the video it happens at ~ the 2:30 mark

#95 MulesWillFly93

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:27 AM

lol jesus christ... this is just getting embarrassing now. It seems like the people in the war room are getting just as drunk as the regular hockey fan.

If anybody wants to skip through the video it happens at ~ the 2:30 mark


...But are they are drunk as Murph? :o

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 02:18 AM

I'd say so, maybe even more-so... at least Murphy can do his job

somewhat

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:32 AM

Nobody is held accountable. That is bothersome.

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#98 Toefuzz

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:58 PM

...But are they are drunk as Murph? :o


Can you get drunk off of hot dogs?

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 09:39 PM

And the BS continues. Easily one of the worst officiated games on both sides, especially in the 3rd.

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 09:46 PM

NHL can't do without Chicago tv market for playoffs. with NFL and NBA lockout possible, they need as high ratings as possible to get best tv deal





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