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#41 Electrophile

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:47 PM

You must be pretty fly to get a "cut" like that.

I'm cool screwing with punks like you for a while. I will split before to long, don't worry.




CUT = custom user text. And my friends here think I'm pretty cool and their opinions are the only ones that really matter in this issue. So again, you have no reason to make comment. As for me being a punk........you're clearly a few fries short of a Happy Meal, so you can think that if you like.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:49 PM

Yes, Stuart's head shot should have been called. Though I'd suggest that if Murray's had not preceded it, or at least been called, Stuie wouldn't have sought retalliation. I took the refs letting Stuart's go as an admission that they F'd up the Murray hit.

And like I say in pretty much any officiating discussion, there are always missed calls on both sides. Picking out one here and there doesn't make it even. We have seen VS announcers talking about the terrible calls in game 2. We even had Bettman come close to admitting that refs can make mistakes. This series was not called evenly.

I'm not saying that the Wings would have won. Aside from game 4, it was pretty evenly played. The Sharks capitalized better on their opportunities, but they also unfairly had more of them. I'd say the Sharks probably would have won anyway. What really bothers me though is that since we can't ever get any kind of consensus, we have no real hope of improvement.

Losers always cry about the problem, but in a biased way. Winners always say it was fair. Truth is, it's hardly ever perfectly balanced. Even if it was though, who cares? The focus should be that the officiating is terrible. It's been terrible for years, and will continue to be terrible until somebody admits that there is a problem. We should not be talking about the five missed calls on your team, and you responding with the 5 missed on ours. That's too many mistakes, and it has far too much impact on the games.

The league made such a big deal about head hits this year. Murray's hit could have been used as an example to go along with the explicit definition the league came up with. But the refs let it go, and then let Stuie's response go. Being even doesn't make it good. But you don't want to admit there was a problem, because you fear it takes some validity away from your win. The league doesn't want to admit there's a problem, because they fear cries of bias or unfair play. Only the losers talk about it, and we're easily brushed aside as whiners. So it will never get any better (at least not until we get a commissioner with some balls).

I hope it's not the Sharks getting shafted next round. Good luck.



I agree with most of you said. I suppose I look at it a little differently. Probably because of the way our team has always played. The Sharks have never been an edgy team, meaning they didn't try to get away with a lot stuff. Because of this they have never established a reputation, which in my opinion does follow teams.

That being said, the Sharks have probably gotten the short end of many games on the score board, because they didn't take "liberties" and play the game on the edge, they gave the other team an advantage.

This year, they are playing more edgy. They are fighting to win, where they didn't previously. The Sharks earn a lot of calls against opposing teams playing as hard as they do on the forecheck and (I believe) because of their perceived style of play reputation for being a clean team.

Edit: I would also say a team has to be cognizant of the officiating within a game. Pay attention to what the refs are calling and not calling. The Wings (deserved or not) gave the officials too many opportunities to make bad calls with poor stick management, bad positioning etc. If is looks like a penalty a poor skating official is probably going to call it. The players have to take responsibility for this.

Edited by Ratbastrd, 09 May 2010 - 06:52 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2010 - 06:50 PM

I don't like all this s*** about "we should have been better" and "we shouldn't whine about officiating" now. The hockey game was invented to be fair for both sides and I DON'T LIKE that in each and everyf****** series nowadays ONE TEAM HAS TO OVERCOME OFFICIATING in order to win. And I'm not talking about my Red Wings only.

Example? It just happened to SJ in this play-offs. Just recall SJS-COL series. SJ had two times more penalties! Can youf****** imagine that? Spending 50 minutes in their zone, putting 50 shots on goal in every game and they still got 32 penalties as opposed to 15 against COL. They managed to overcome this simply because SJ is head and shoulders above Colorado. However, what if... Joe Pavelski never scored that OT goal? What if... Colorado magically scored on at least 50% of their opportunities? History will be made? It is just not fair.

We were better than SJ in our series. But not twice better... and that was required for us to win it. I don't know what could have happened if officiating was fair. However, most likely, weaker team advanced.

It is not hockey I once loved. Perhaps, that is one of the reason I no longer pay to watch it.
Sweet. This dude was brought here for one reason, to punch people in the head - every other thing that he can do, other Wings can do better. I like that we have a head-puncher. The league has other, better head-punchers, but this one is ours. Better than nothing. Good work, Kenny!

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:03 PM

I just can't celebrate my team making the WCF for the second time in Sharks history. I much prefer hanging around commiserating with the great fans here at LGW and discussing the storied dynasty and gold standard of hockey that is the Red Wings.

Edited by vladdy16, 09 May 2010 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:17 PM

Blah blah blah. With the way that series went down you're just not going to get much respect from Wings fans. In games as close as those, the Sharks were simply the fortunate benefactors of incompetent officiating. None of the Red Wings will admit it because they earn their salaries from being politically correct but it proved to be a difference a lot more than it should have been. It's no wonder why Versus took a closer look at it because it was that bad.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:20 PM

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Edit: I would also say a team has to be cognizant of the officiating within a game. Pay attention to what the refs are calling and not calling. The Wings (deserved or not) gave the officials too many opportunities to make bad calls with poor stick management, bad positioning etc. If is looks like a penalty a poor skating official is probably going to call it. The players have to take responsibility for this.


BS. Once a team 'learns' how the refs are calling the game, it's already too late. This is exactly the apologist attitude that gives us the officiating we have. The Wings nor anyone else should have ot worry about being called for interference (twice, in one game) when a goalie dives. The Sharks shouldn't get called for an obvious makeup when a player gets pushed into the net. Players shouldn't be called for holding because a player that was checked perfectly legally falls backward instead of forward. If the refs are going to call interference when a player gets pushed down in the crease, they should call it whether the player lands on the goalie or not. Bert shouldn't be penalized for letting a Shark player pin his stick against the boards.

If the players have to, within the course of a game, allow the refs to make enough mistakes in order to adjust their game to avoid those mistakes, then already too many mistakes have been made. And worse, forcing players to adjust away from their play style, even though it may be perfectly legal, is itself unfair. Refs should not be so fickle, so inconsistent. That should not be acceptible.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:31 PM

I just can't celebrate my team making the WCF for the second time in Sharks history. I much prefer hanging around commiserating with the great fans here at LGW and discussing the storied dynasty and gold standard of hockey that is the Red Wings.


I just don't understand what you're looking for on this board. We all feel that something was wrong. Just imagine for a second what you're going to feel when all these "minor" things will go in Hawks' favor, when officials will not notice SJ player cut by the stick, when Seabrook will try to take away Pevelski with a blind hit. When at the end you'll realize that your team was penalized two times more and they still lost the game by one goal... You better be prepared. Most likely it is Hawks who NHL wants to be in the finals.
Sweet. This dude was brought here for one reason, to punch people in the head - every other thing that he can do, other Wings can do better. I like that we have a head-puncher. The league has other, better head-punchers, but this one is ours. Better than nothing. Good work, Kenny!

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:36 PM

I just don't understand what you're looking for on this board. We all feel that something was wrong. Just imagine for a second what you're going to feel when all these "minor" things will go in Hawks' favor, when officials will not notice SJ player cut by the stick, when Seabrook will try to take away Pevelski with a blind hit. When at the end you'll realize that your team was penalized two times more and they still lost the game by one goal... You better be prepared. Most likely it is Hawks who NHL wants to be in the finals.

Rus, that was what I edited his post into. His original post was trashing some article about the Sharks. I made him sing the Wings praises just for fun. :)
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#49 Electrophile

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:38 PM

Rus, that was what I edited his post into. His original post was trashing some article about the Sharks. I made him sing the Wings praises just for fun. :)



No fair that you get to do that.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:44 PM

I just can't celebrate my team making the WCF for the second time in Sharks history. I much prefer hanging around commiserating with the great fans here at LGW and discussing the storied dynasty and gold standard of hockey that is the Red Wings.


On a Red Wings board you're looking to celebrate? What the hell are you thinking?

The real reason why you're here is so you can find some Wings fans on who will say, "Sharks were awesome. They played a really good game. I really want them to win from here on out." Somehow that makes you feel really good that your team won. The only problem is that a lot of us on here feel that if the officials did their jobs correctly then we really don't know if the Sharks make the 3rd round. And that's a bad thing. When a team gets beat they should be able to know and feel that they flat out got beat. And sure, you'll find those kind of responses from some Wings fans but I'm sure a lot of them deep down have nagging doubts about such a politically correct response.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 07:53 PM

On a Red Wings board you're looking to celebrate? What the hell are you thinking?

The real reason why you're here is so you can find some Wings fans on who will say, "Sharks were awesome. They played a really good game. I really want them to win from here on out." Somehow that makes you feel really good that your team won. The only problem is that a lot of us on here feel that if the officials did their jobs correctly then we really don't know if the Sharks make the 3rd round. And that's a bad thing. When a team gets beat they should be able to know and feel that they flat out got beat. And sure, you'll find those kind of responses from some Wings fans but I'm sure a lot of them deep down have nagging doubts about such a politically correct response.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:12 PM

I don't like all this s*** about "we should have been better" and "we shouldn't whine about officiating" now. The hockey game was invented to be fair for both sides and I DON'T LIKE that in each and everyf****** series nowadays ONE TEAM HAS TO OVERCOME OFFICIATING in order to win. And I'm not talking about my Red Wings only.

Example? It just happened to SJ in this play-offs. Just recall SJS-COL series. SJ had two times more penalties! Can youf****** imagine that? Spending 50 minutes in their zone, putting 50 shots on goal in every game and they still got 32 penalties as opposed to 15 against COL. They managed to overcome this simply because SJ is head and shoulders above Colorado. However, what if... Joe Pavelski never scored that OT goal? What if... Colorado magically scored on at least 50% of their opportunities? History will be made? It is just not fair.

We were better than SJ in our series. But not twice better... and that was required for us to win it. I don't know what could have happened if officiating was fair. However, most likely, weaker team advanced.

It is not hockey I once loved. Perhaps, that is one of the reason I no longer pay to watch it.

Amen

I'm proud to say I've never been happy about winning like that when watching any of my other teams. I say other teams, like in the NFL and whatnot, because Detroit doesn't get help the way SJ did. And whoever the next dynasty is, if there ever is one, will likely suffer as we have.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:22 PM

On a Red Wings board you're looking to celebrate? What the hell are you thinking?

The real reason why you're here is so you can find some Wings fans on who will say, "Sharks were awesome. They played a really good game. I really want them to win from here on out." Somehow that makes you feel really good that your team won. The only problem is that a lot of us on here feel that if the officials did their jobs correctly then we really don't know if the Sharks make the 3rd round. And that's a bad thing. When a team gets beat they should be able to know and feel that they flat out got beat. And sure, you'll find those kind of responses from some Wings fans but I'm sure a lot of them deep down have nagging doubts about such a politically correct response.



The mod edited his post -- that's not what he originally said.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:40 PM

I was out watching the game and it had no sound so I really did not have much idea what happened at the time. Finally just saw a replay and I'm stunned...

Just another example of how incompetent the officiating this series was.

The Sharks desereved to win and were the better team (though not by much even though it just went 5 games), but the refs played much more of a hand in this series than they should have.

A damned shame...

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:51 PM

1) Officiating in the entire playoffs has been horrendous. When viewership is increasing (according to the stats at least), the NHL should be attempting to have the best officials in the playoffs. The hypocrisy of "hits to the head" is astounding. Frankly I don't care one way or the other if head shots are called or not called, but if you say that you are going to focus on it, then for f's sake, focus on it. What a terrible demonstration to the first time viewer or casual fan. The NBA makes it claim on relative reffing, the NHL should let them have it.

2) The Wings lost 4 1-goal games. The Wings easily could have won this series. Did the bad officiating cause them to lose this series? I don't think so, but it certainly didn't help.

Recall the officiating in 2006-2007 season against the Ducks... the NHL has a long way to go...

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:49 PM

It's people like ratbastard that keep me away from cheering for my home team in the following rounds. They sure are a cocky bunch for a team that hasn't won anything yet.

Back on topic the officiating sucked balls. Just hope our guys get plenty of rest to heal and be ready for a long run next season.

Edited by SiLkK19, 09 May 2010 - 09:53 PM.






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