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#41 chrisdetroit

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:24 PM

As we all know, after winning the cup, a team is not as "hungry" the following year. Based on that logic, I want the Sharks to win the cup this year so that they can go out in the first round next year and return the Cup to Hockeytown.

If they come close and fail they will be all the more "hungry" next year.
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:37 PM

Maybe that is why the Sharks won this series? The Wings didn't give them the respect they deserved, they weren't a "threat".


That is a bit of a silly statement. Not sure a Red Wings team that finished 5th in the conference, and was on the outside looking in at the end of February, would look past the best team in the regular season LOL. That statement wasn't quite worth a post.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 08:59 PM

Damn you, Matt. I'm spoiled, there's NOTHING out there. There are no other forums, LGW is the forum. I feel more at home here even than in LGS. Almost makes me want to start a site/forum and pattern it after my unwitting mentor here at LGW, a place where good, knowledgeable hockey fans can feel welcomed, and have a home away from home, the same way I feel here.

f***! Just the fact that I can say f*** here is part of what separates the men from the boys in that regard, but a very small part. There's more to it than that.

The absolute unbridled and irrational hatred that so many Hawks fans have for the Wings looks like nothing more than pure Cup envy to me; like simply having an Original Six team makes them entitled to as many past victories. I don't have a lot of respect for grave dancers, but that's how a lot of them appear to me this year, and I'm not seeing much in the way of logic behind it. At the Pavilion we see a LOT of Wings sweaters; other teams as well, but Wings more than any other. Lots of die-hard Detroit fan transplants in San Jose, so they're a very familiar sight at the tank, and always friendly from what I've seen and experienced first hand. They don't huddle together and keep their distance like a frumpy bunch of introverted and socially retarded homers. They MIX IT UP with the San Jose fans, they're mostly knowledgeable about the other teams, and love to talk hockey -- just like here.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm still lurking, still posting here and there. I don't really feel like talking to anyone else at this point. I am one of those who will solidly root, in principle, for the team that beats mine, wanting to say that the path to the Cup went through my team, and that we were beaten only by the best. My only exception is if the Wings are still in it, even if they aren't the ones who eliminated us. Then it's a no-brainer for me, because the Wings are, and always have been, my other team, my China, my home away from home.

All that said, I am hoping for a Bruins-Sharks matchup. I think the Hawks are going to easily beat the Nucks. You never know until it's over, but I don't see the Nucks having the ability to stage a 3-1 comeback. The Hawks have a good, motivated, talented team this year, but I don't see them I did as the Wings. The Hawks are good, not easy to beat, but I think we already took on the very best that was out there in the last round, bar none.

Even so, the Hawks did best us in the regular season, but not by much. There was one embarrassing 7-2 blowout back in late November. That was Hossa's debut game, and Chicago scored three short-handed goals in what was a very ugly joke of a game for the Sharks, more embarrassing even than the Wings blowout of the Sharks in Game 4 of our last series. The remaining three of our reg. season games against the Hawks were decided by a single goal, in OT. In contrast, we dominated the Nucks all year, so I very much like the idea of going up against the Hawks in the WCF. That race needs to be faced if we're going to not just shed the choke moniker entirely, but also, should eventually win the Cup, win it in a way that can't easily be called a hollow victory. I want the Sharks to face the Bruins in the finals, should we make it there, of course, and to only get there through the Hawks, for another reason: because then, to get the Cup, the Sharks will have had to have gone through HALF of the Original Six teams. And I personally think that's quite something! Avs-Nordiques -- then Wings, Hawks, Bruins...Cup? Wow. To me that's a big wow, no easy road, and as it really should be -- for me at least.

GO SHARKS!

One of the things I like about this board is that other teams' fans come here and post during series and some of them stick around. Sharks fans have been pretty cool, as far as I can tell.

The way I look at it the Sharks kind of modeled themselves after the Wings. You took our assistant coach - play a good puck possession game, kicked our butt in faceoffs (right out of our "old" playbook", etc. What I really notice is that McLellan has everyone buying into the team game instead of me-me-me (#87 anyone?). What I saw last night from the Sharks reminded me of what the Wings usually do.

I catch quite a few of the Sharks games since I live in the mountain time zone. Do us a favor and bounce the Hawks next....
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Posted 09 May 2010 - 09:34 PM

I have also been surprised by so many people here have chosen the Sharks.

It was a good series, guys! It really was. Even though, the refs were pretty bad. The Sharks top players are finally playing like top players. In the past, Nabokov wouldn't have bounced back after that horrible loss 7-1. Maybe the olympics helped him just to bounce back. Many Shark fans have been jealous of Detroit and yes the fans. It seems like you always go to the WCF year after year after year after year after year. ANd are always some how in the SCF. It always seems like you are always in the end, just like the yankees, redsox, lakers, etc etc. The Sharks for many years have tried to play your game, and it finally maybe have worked this year.

I hope the Sharks will beat the hawks\canucks. It will be a hard series. And yes, i'm hoping LIdstrom doesn't retire, never like to see a legendary player retires like LIdstrom.

And sorry if I trash talked during game 4 and part of game 5 in the forums\ chatrooms, just heat of the moment. I usually don't trash talk. I'm sure we will see you in the playoffs next year, you have over 13 million to spend, and will be a good team next year.

See you guys next year, but I will still post here.
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#45 Grypho

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:03 PM

The way I look at it the Sharks kind of modeled themselves after the Wings. You took our assistant coach - play a good puck possession game, kicked our butt in faceoffs (right out of our "old" playbook", etc. What I really notice is that McLellan has everyone buying into the team game instead of me-me-me (#87 anyone?). What I saw last night from the Sharks reminded me of what the Wings usually do.


More than kind of. I think we modeled ourselves, at the very least in the past few years, directly after the Wings. Why mess with a proven formula?

And yes, a lot of that me-me-me that has killed the Sharks in the past is gone. I actually think it's why Marleau has struggled, trying to reconcile hotshot with team player. #11 Owen Nolan was a great player, but also a selfish alpha dog, a hotshot player who passed a lot of judgment on his team mates. It's great to have hero on the ice, but not if it goes to his head, and it's at the expense of the rest of the team. That was Nolan all the way, and for as much as I liked (and knew) him personally, I was glad to see him go to another team.

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Posted 09 May 2010 - 10:13 PM

All the silly round 2 shenanigans aside, I'd like to see the Sharks win it so they can get complacent and lazy next season. :)


Anybody but the Hawks.

Edited by Broken 16, 09 May 2010 - 10:14 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2010 - 12:12 AM

One of the things I like about this board is that other teams' fans come here and post during series and some of them stick around. Sharks fans have been pretty cool, as far as I can tell.

The way I look at it the Sharks kind of modeled themselves after the Wings. You took our assistant coach - play a good puck possession game, kicked our butt in faceoffs (right out of our "old" playbook", etc. What I really notice is that McLellan has everyone buying into the team game instead of me-me-me (#87 anyone?). What I saw last night from the Sharks reminded me of what the Wings usually do.


I concur . . . with two puck-possession teams, faceoffs were HUGE in this series. Winning those defensive zone draws late in the third period (while up by a goal) were pivotal for the Sharks.


I catch quite a few of the Sharks games since I live in the mountain time zone. Do us a favor and bounce the Hawks next....


The Hawks have to get by Vancouver first. The Canucks made it interesting tonight! Perhaps they should act like they are playing an away game when they hit GM Place for Game 6 . .

Edited by Canned Heat, 10 May 2010 - 12:13 AM.


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Posted 10 May 2010 - 08:19 AM

So since the 94-95 season (14 seasons not incl this season or the lockout, either the Wings win the cup OR the team that eliminates them win the cup, with the exception of 3 years (the 99, 00 and 01 champs).

Pretty odd stat over this long of a stretch!!

I don't think it's an odd stat at all. You probaby didn't get the numbers right, when you say the team that eliminates the Wings win teh cup, with teh exception of 3 years, that's not true, actually, it's only be 2 years where the team eliminating the Wings won the cup (ignoring when the Wings actually lost in the Finals).

Ignoring the years the where the Wings have won or lost in the Finals, there have been 8 seasons (starting in 1996, since the Wings were in the Finals in 1995) - I used 1995 as the starting point since that is the year you chose. Of those 8 seasons:

3 years - the team that beat the Wings didn't make the Finals
3 years - the team that beat the Wings lost in the Finals
2 years - the team that beat the Wings won the CUP

So, 5 out of 8 years, the team that beat the Wings went to the Finals to either win or lose.

But think about this...if you make the playoffs and lose in the first round, the team that beats you has a 25% chance at getting to the finals. If you lose in the 2nd round, the team that beat you has a 50% chance at getting to the finals. Pretty decent probabilities.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 09:43 AM

I hope Montreal beats Pittsburgh and moves on to the finals in the East.
I hope Chicago puts up a 6+ spot on Luongo in the next game and then destroys San Jose in 4.

I hope Chicago and Montreal have a good, old-time style final that works out in 5 games with Chicago winning, and that rat Joel Quenneville finally winning something and deciding to retire.

I hope Kopecky scores 15 goals in the next 10 games and wins the Conn Smythe.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:02 AM

Wow, thinking about this took a while...so many rivals to choose from :lol:
I guess I'd like to see the Sharks win, they play well enough. But I wouldn't mind seeing them lose the SCF to Montreal or Boston either. Y'know, the "curse of Detroit" as mentioned by Don Cherry.

From most to least favorite, here is my map of who to cheer for:
1.Habs (Original Six, cinderella story NOT sponsored by the league)
2.Sharks (If you're going to lose, lose to the best)
3.Bruins (O-6, been in the playoffs a while)
4.Canucks (Lots of my Seattle friends are fans,and I like Sammy)
5.Flyers (They try, and the fanbase is there, I just don't think it'll be this year)
6.Blackhawks (There's enough annoying bandwagon fans at my college to last a lifetime)
7.Pens (Nuff said)

so, carried out...Vancouver and Chicago for WCF, Montreal and Boston for ECF, with Habs topping Nucks in the SCF.
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 10:45 AM

a boston - montreal ECF would be awesome

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 05:09 PM

I agree the series was closer than a 4-1 result implies. As a Sharks fan, I would rather face the Hawks or the Canucks (no preference) than face the Red Wings again in the next round. Although the Avs series ended up 4-2, it wasn't as close nor are the Avs anywhere near as dangerous as the Wings.

Which raises a question for Red Wing fans:

Knowing what you know now, do you think the Red Wings would have fared better against the Hawks or Canucks?
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Posted 10 May 2010 - 05:22 PM

I agree the series was closer than a 4-1 result implies. As a Sharks fan, I would rather face the Hawks or the Canucks (no preference) than face the Red Wings again in the next round. Although the Avs series ended up 4-2, it wasn't as close nor are the Avs anywhere near as dangerous as the Wings.

Which raises a question for Red Wing fans:

Knowing what you know now, do you think the Red Wings would have fared better against the Hawks or Canucks?


Definitely

Those 4 games we lost, Sharks capitalized on fatal mistakes and just unlucky breaks ie. Lidstrom's stick breaking, Williams crappy shot + Ericsson's pinch which lead to the OT 2on1 goal, Rafalski's giveaway... Sharks were the better team, Wings played well but made more mistakes and Sharks seemed very polished all around.

I think the Sharks will win the cup.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 05:47 PM

1994-95 Devils beat Wings, Devils win cup.
1995-96 Avalanche beat Wings, Avalanche win cup.
1996-97 CUP CHAMPS
1997-98 CUP CHAMPS
1998-99 Avalanche beat Wings, Avalnche lose before finals.
1999-00 Avalanche beat Wings, Avalanche lose before finals.
2000-01 Kings beat Wings, Kings lose before finals.
2001-02 CUP CHAMPS
2002-03 Ducks beat Wings, Ducks lose in finals.
2003-04 Flames beat Wings, Flames lose in finals.
2004-05 LOCKOUT
2005-06 Oilers beat Wings, Oilers lose in finals.
2006-07 Ducks beats Wings, Ducks win cup.
2007-08 CUP CHAMPS
2008-09 Penguins beat Wings in finals.
2009-10 Sharks beat Wings, ????

So since the 94-95 season (14 seasons not incl this season or the lockout, either the Wings win the cup OR the team that eliminates them win the cup, with the exception of 3 years (the 99, 00 and 01 champs).

Pretty odd stat over this long of a stretch!!

You forgot about 03, 04, 06.. the rest of the teams that beat the Wings and didn't win the cup.

So that's 4 teams who beat the Wings in a series and won the cup in some fashion (either directly by beating the Wings for the cup or the Wings being on the road to it), and 6 teams who beat the Wings in a series who didn't win the cup. That's worse than a 50% chance that a team that beats the Wings goes on to win a cup if these numbers even mattered.

4-6 of teams that beat the Wings means what? Absolutely nothing.

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Posted 10 May 2010 - 06:06 PM

Definitely

Those 4 games we lost, Sharks capitalized on fatal mistakes and just unlucky breaks ie. Lidstrom's stick breaking, Williams crappy shot + Ericsson's pinch which lead to the OT 2on1 goal, Rafalski's giveaway... Sharks were the better team, Wings played well but made more mistakes and Sharks seemed very polished all around.

I think the Sharks will win the cup.


If that is true (Sharks/Wings toughest matchup), I'd say the advantage of being the higher seed has been generally overlooked. It may well be all that seperates these two teams. The home ice advantage was critical in this series, IMO. The Sharks are tough at the Tank. However, the Wings have had far more success at the Tank than the Sharks have had at JLA.

Had the Hawks been the #1 seed, the semi-final matchups would have had the Sharks host the Canucks and the Wings play at Chicago. It isn't a stretch to imagine a Wings/Sharks WCF in that scenario.

Maybe next year.
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:27 AM

Had the Hawks been the #1 seed, the semi-final matchups would have had the Sharks host the Canucks and the Wings play at Chicago. It isn't a stretch to imagine a Wings/Sharks WCF in that scenario.


The Sharks BARELY made it to the #1 seed. That was decided in the last games by both teams. The Sharks HAD to win, and the Hawks HAD to lose for that to happen. So you're right, it very well could have been a Sharks/Wings WCF, not much of a stretch at all, given the Wings very much have the Hawks' number, and the Sharks have always played extremely well against the Nucks.

And yes, our series was WAY closer than the win tallies tell. High scoring, all games decided by a single goal, lots of good shots from both sides not netted -- the entire series could have easily gone either way.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:51 AM

And yes, our series was WAY closer than the win tallies tell. High scoring, all games decided by a single goal, lots of good shots from both sides not netted -- the entire series could have easily gone either way.


Well we did outscore you guys in the series. So really it's like we won right? Right?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:38 PM

The Sharks BARELY made it to the #1 seed. That was decided in the last games by both teams. The Sharks HAD to win, and the Hawks HAD to lose for that to happen. So you're right, it very well could have been a Sharks/Wings WCF, not much of a stretch at all, given the Wings very much have the Hawks' number, and the Sharks have always played extremely well against the Nucks.

And yes, our series was WAY closer than the win tallies tell. High scoring, all games decided by a single goal, lots of good shots from both sides not netted -- the entire series could have easily gone either way.


Agreed on all points. BTW, I picked Logan Couture's shootout winner to give the Sharks the #1 seed as the Play of the Year for the Sharks. Winning in the playoffs is much harder for lower seed teams. Red Wing fans are so used to seeing their team being a high seed they tend to take it for granted.

The Wings had to play #4 Phoenix, which had more regular season points than #3 Vancouver. As expected, the Coyotes were the toughest first round opponent. The Wings then had to face the toughest remaining opponent, rested and with home ice. That's a rocky road to the Cup.

Bottom line: the injuries the Wings suffered in the regular season made the Wings playoff run much harder than in past seasons. IMO, the team doesn't need a major overall. A tweak here and there with some added depth and the Wings will be a favorite again next year. As much as I wish the Wings dynasty was over, I don't expect that to happen.
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