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#121 Jaymz99

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:12 PM

Call me crazy, but wouldn't the Canadiens get better tv ratings than Pittsburgh, even in the USA?

Pittsburgh has been to the conference finals the last two years, so they're not going to draw any new fans. Current Hockey fans, outside Pittsburgh, will do something else than watch another Crosby love in by tv. Montreal would create more interest in Hockey fans.

I know I have more interest in watching Montreal than Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh advanced, I have better things to do; Montreal made it, so I'm interested!

Real hockey fans hate Crosby for what he is, a whiny ***** of a person and poor role model for everyone, who just happens to excel at hockey. If he would keep his mouth shut, cut the cheap crap on the ice, and recognize that there are any other teams even in the NHL on the ice with them, then he would be great. Instead, we would rather watch any other person than him. The NHL is pandering to those who do not regularly watch nor understand hockey, but think it is cool because it is catching on. This is why we have Crosby, 10+ goal games, and shootouts.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:19 PM

Real hockey fans hate Crosby for what he is, a whiny ***** of a person and poor role model for everyone, who just happens to excel at hockey. If he would keep his mouth shut, cut the cheap crap on the ice, and recognize that there are any other teams even in the NHL on the ice with them, then he would be great. Instead, we would rather watch any other person than him. The NHL is pandering to those who do not regularly watch nor understand hockey, but think it is cool because it is catching on. This is why we have Crosby, 10+ goal games, and shootouts.


I'll take exception to this statement. Saying other people aren't "real hockey fans" is just a lame excuse instead of just facing the fact that other people have a different opinion on the representation of a player that practically no one here has a direct connection to in the real world.

If you think I don't understand hockey because I happen to enjoy watching a hockey player rack up 500 points before he's 22 then you are strongly mistaken.

Edited by Carman, 02 June 2010 - 11:20 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:20 PM

I broke Crosby's visor once.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:28 AM

I'll take exception to this statement. Saying other people aren't "real hockey fans" is just a lame excuse instead of just facing the fact that other people have a different opinion on the representation of a player that practically no one here has a direct connection to in the real world.

If you think I don't understand hockey because I happen to enjoy watching a hockey player rack up 500 points before he's 22 then you are strongly mistaken.


Man, you must not be a hockey fan then.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:31 AM

I'll take exception to this statement. Saying other people aren't "real hockey fans" is just a lame excuse instead of just facing the fact that other people have a different opinion on the representation of a player that practically no one here has a direct connection to in the real world.

If you think I don't understand hockey because I happen to enjoy watching a hockey player rack up 500 points before he's 22 then you are strongly mistaken.

Hockey has been the Black Sheep of the sporting world in the US. They have looked for ways to get new viewers and this was the answer. A high scoring poster-boy everyone loves to hate that they shove down your throats. Like a David Beckham of hockey. Is it coincidence that scoring has gone through the roof over the last 10 years. No. People don't want to see tight games that end in 2-1 or for that matter 1-1. So they continue to pander to those people who never loved hockey in the first place and continue to change the setting and rules on the existing fans of the game. Shootouts anyone? Ovi-rated and Cindy draw viewers. That is why the 2011 Winter Classic is again with Pittsburgh and not one of the many other teams that are waiting for their frozen chance. Bury your head in the sand if you like, but Crosby is just part of the big corporate machine. Take him out of the equation and Hockey drops right back down in the ratings scale below water polo. It's a shame but it is true.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 08:41 AM

Hockey has been the Black Sheep of the sporting world in the US. They have looked for ways to get new viewers and this was the answer. A high scoring poster-boy everyone loves to hate that they shove down your throats. Like a David Beckham of hockey. Is it coincidence that scoring has gone through the roof over the last 10 years. No. People don't want to see tight games that end in 2-1 or for that matter 1-1. So they continue to pander to those people who never loved hockey in the first place and continue to change the setting and rules on the existing fans of the game. Shootouts anyone? Ovi-rated and Cindy draw viewers. That is why the 2011 Winter Classic is again with Pittsburgh and not one of the many other teams that are waiting for their frozen chance. Bury your head in the sand if you like, but Crosby is just part of the big corporate machine. Take him out of the equation and Hockey drops right back down in the ratings scale below water polo. It's a shame but it is true.

Read this for fun. Circa 2006.

http://www.dailyprin...06/05/17/15645/

I'll let you guess who fills the shoes of the "Controversy part".


I fail to see the problem with most of the points you've made. The scoring is not even close to what it was in the mid 80's early 90's.

The game has to evolve rule wise, I really don't have an issue with the game itself besides the hooking penalties and shootouts so I understand where you're coming from. But you have to make sacrifices to insure a future product, a league isn't just going to survive on past models/success. Hockey is growing as a sport, and in order to grow you have to adjust the game. Every sport has had to change, hockey is not going to be any different.

Marketing is about creating and promoting to new fans, not to cater to the fan that has been watching his whole life. And the league needs new fans in order to grow and be successful, it seems to me a necessary "evil". As long as they don't completely change the on-ice product(ban fighting etc.) I'm ok with almost anything they do to get new fans.

I don't get why people hate the new "bandwagon" fans. As a fan you have to start off at some point, and even though they may be annoying there is still a chance as the season's go by that they will learn the nuances and tradition of the game and become great and loyal fans. And to me that's what a "marketing" campaign should do.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 09:32 AM

Is it coincidence that scoring has gone through the roof over the last 10 years. No.

Scoring has gone through the roof? Have a missed out on when that happened?

2006 - 7 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 125pts
2007 - 7 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 120pts
2008 - 2 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 112pts
2009 - 3 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 113pts
2010 - 4 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 112pts

This is not a heck of a lot different than where we were 10 years ago and a hell of lot worse in terms of scoring than where the NHL was even less than 15 years ago.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:12 AM

Scoring has gone through the roof? Have a missed out on when that happened?

2006 - 7 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 125pts
2007 - 7 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 120pts
2008 - 2 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 112pts
2009 - 3 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 113pts
2010 - 4 players with 100+ pt. seasons, leader = 112pts

This is not a heck of a lot different than where we were 10 years ago and a hell of lot worse in terms of scoring than where the NHL was even less than 15 years ago.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:27 AM

Marketing is about creating and promoting to new fans, not to cater to the fan that has been watching his whole life.

Nice. Cell phone company mentality. Screw the loyal ones, we need more money. There in lies the problem. It isn't a sport, it is a corporation. Canada lost hockey to the US and this proves that fact. Canadians were perfectly content with the sport but the beer drinking gut wearing football public of the US needed a hook to watch. Something to get them into the sport and dump millions on. Scoring too low, we'll fix that. Tired of games ending in a tie, welcome the shootout. Lack of cheerleaders got you down, ice girls (Thank god this hasn't caught on with every team). I give you American hockey. You're source for the stupid people I have to sit near when I go to games.
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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:32 AM

Nice. Cell phone company mentality. Screw the loyal ones, we need more money. There in lies the problem. It isn't a sport, it is a corporation. Canada lost hockey to the US and this proves that fact. Canadians were perfectly content with the sport but the beer drinking gut wearing football public of the US needed a hook to watch. Something to get them into the sport and dump millions on. Scoring too low, we'll fix that. Tired of games ending in a tie, welcome the shootout. Lack of cheerleaders got you down, ice girls (Thank god this hasn't caught on with every team). I give you American hockey. You're source for the stupid people I have to sit near when I go to games.


At least you apparently gained a new sport in American bashing. :thumbup:

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:48 AM

At least you apparently gained a new sport in American bashing. :thumbup:

I am American. I just get lit up at the fact that we destroy things that are good. Why not welcome the sponsors on the jerseys. You know, have an easton logo, Gatorade, bengay, McDonald's, valvoline (zamboni oil), Toyota, etc. We already have the arenas named for millions. Makes perfect sense to go to an arena named after a bank. After all, you are just giving them your money right. How soon until Preparation H Arena or the Tampax Centre. When is enough enough is my point. Some people/things you just don't want to be in the mix. The league is attracting some bad apples and it is hurting it for the "fan that has been watching his whole life." I would love to see a Gordie Howe or Steve Yzerman Arena (or Joe Louis II for that matter) but I know it will be some company that slaps its name above the new home of the Red Wings that has nothing to do with the game. I cannot be the only one on this board that feels like that "fan". If I am, then it is far worse than I thought.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 10:59 AM

I am American. I just get lit up at the fact that we destroy things that are good... I would love to see a Gordie Howe or Steve Yzerman Arena (or Joe Louis II for that matter) but I know it will be some company that slaps its name above the new home of the Red Wings that has nothing to do with the game.


I hate this too. It's not just hockey, though; this seems to be the way everything is going. Advertising has just gotten out of control, and I'm not honestly sure what to do to fix that...

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 11:40 AM

I am American. I just get lit up at the fact that we destroy things that are good. Why not welcome the sponsors on the jerseys. You know, have an easton logo, Gatorade, bengay, McDonald's, valvoline (zamboni oil), Toyota, etc. We already have the arenas named for millions. Makes perfect sense to go to an arena named after a bank. After all, you are just giving them your money right. How soon until Preparation H Arena or the Tampax Centre. When is enough enough is my point. Some people/things you just don't want to be in the mix. The league is attracting some bad apples and it is hurting it for the "fan that has been watching his whole life." I would love to see a Gordie Howe or Steve Yzerman Arena (or Joe Louis II for that matter) but I know it will be some company that slaps its name above the new home of the Red Wings that has nothing to do with the game. I cannot be the only one on this board that feels like that "fan". If I am, then it is far worse than I thought.


Thats why i dont care if Hockey ever becomes popular in the states. In fact i rather have it be less known like it is now/was. I dont want the sport to become Americanized and ruined but it looks like its too late.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:25 PM

Bettman wanted a poster-boy for the new NHL, in order to attract new fans. Sidney was a young, exciting, good-looking and heavily-hyped player, and so Bettman chose him for the role. He heavily promoted Crosby and gave him a huge amount of general airtime in order to increase his (Crosby's) publicity and renown. Unfortunately for him, the plan backfired, because Sidney Crosby is simply unlikeable to many fans. He is immature and unsportsmanlike, and he is prone to constant whining on the ice---indeed, he was voted 'biggest complainer' by his peers---and to temper tantrums whenever things do not go his way. Fans of every other NHL team rapidly tired of having Crosby proverbially showed down their throats, and the favoritism shown he and the Penguins by the league became difficult to bear.

In the end, this all had two effects: one, it drove many fans to seriously resent the NHL; and two, it made Crosby the most disliked player in the league amongst fans---the clear promotion and favoritism shown towards Crosby by the league generated general resentment towards Crosby amongst fans; this constant status of his at the forefront of NHL marketing, when coupled with his immature behavior and distasteful antics on and off the ice, spawned flat-out dislike for him amongst non-Penguins fans. It's pretty simple and it makes sense. If he hadn't been marketed so ardently, he wouldn't be as disliked; but as is---and to put it bluntly---the league constantly demonstrated favoritism towards him and constantly shoved him in our faces whenever we watched hockey, and the guy is a twerp and a prick.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 12:30 PM

^ Wait a second, did you just say Crosby was good-looking? :blink:

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:01 PM

The moral of all of these previous points is that individuals are not a team. Game total scores are higher. Period.

Let me put it another way then. Here are the average goals per game, per team for the past 20 seasons:

1990 - 3.68
1991 - 3.34
1992 - 3.48
1993 - 3.63
1994 - 3.24
1995 - 2.99
1996 - 3.14
1997 - 2.92
1998 - 2.64
1999 - 2.63
2000 - 2.75
2001 - 2.76
2002 - 2.62
2003 - 2.65
2004 - 2.57
2005 - no season
2006 - 3.08
2007 - 2.95
2008 - 2.78
2009 - 2.91
2010 - 2.84

So, I still fail to see how scoring has gone through the roof in the past 10 years. Scoring started to decline in the late 90s due to the success of defense first teams (in my opinion), reaching a low in the year before the lockout. Coming out of the lockout, new rules were implemented with a goal of increasing scoring...which did result, but as you can see, scoring has started to come down since then. In the post lockout world, scoring is still a far cry from where it was even only 15 years ago.

You don't even want to know how current scoring compares to the 70's and 80's.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:05 PM

Nice. Cell phone company mentality. Screw the loyal ones, we need more money. There in lies the problem. It isn't a sport, it is a corporation. Canada lost hockey to the US and this proves that fact. Canadians were perfectly content with the sport but the beer drinking gut wearing football public of the US needed a hook to watch. Something to get them into the sport and dump millions on. Scoring too low, we'll fix that. Tired of games ending in a tie, welcome the shootout. Lack of cheerleaders got you down, ice girls (Thank god this hasn't caught on with every team). I give you American hockey. You're source for the stupid people I have to sit near when I go to games.


Now I see wherein your point of view really does stand.

How are they screwing the loyal ones? What is the definition of a "loyal" fan? Am I not loyal? I have a shared season ticket package even though I'm still paying my way through college? I've played hockey my whole life, I even played in a semi professional league. I love the game of hockey, and I want it to be a successful sport that can capture the world.

A sport has to be a corporation or else it's just not going to survive. Is every other major sport ruined now because they are "Americanized"? You seem to just want the game of hockey to be a niche sport of a couple teams and just never grow. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree if that's the case.

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 01:13 PM

Bettman wanted a poster-boy for the new NHL, in order to attract new fans. Sidney was a young, exciting, good-looking and heavily-hyped player, and so Bettman chose him for the role. He heavily promoted Crosby and gave him a huge amount of general airtime in order to increase his (Crosby's) publicity and renown. Unfortunately for him, the plan backfired, because Sidney Crosby is simply unlikeable to many fans. He is immature and unsportsmanlike, and he is prone to constant whining on the ice---indeed, he was voted 'biggest complainer' by his peers---and to temper tantrums whenever things do not go his way. Fans of every other NHL team rapidly tired of having Crosby proverbially showed down their throats, and the favoritism shown he and the Penguins by the league became difficult to bear.

In the end, this all had two effects: one, it drove many fans to seriously resent the NHL; and two, it made Crosby the most disliked player in the league amongst fans---the clear promotion and favoritism shown towards Crosby by the league generated general resentment towards Crosby amongst fans; this constant status of his at the forefront of NHL marketing, when coupled with his immature behavior and distasteful antics on and off the ice, spawned flat-out dislike for him amongst non-Penguins fans. It's pretty simple and it makes sense. If he hadn't been marketed so ardently, he wouldn't be as disliked; but as is---and to put it bluntly---the league constantly demonstrated favoritism towards him and constantly shoved him in our faces whenever we watched hockey, and the guy is a twerp and a prick.

Anyone that thinks he is good looking has to be hard up, yuk! Mr. worm lips :puke:

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:14 PM

Anyone that thinks he is good looking has to be hard up, yuk! Mr. worm lips :puke:


Ye any man who even states that is on my homosuspision list

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 02:20 PM

Now I see wherein your point of view really does stand.

How are they screwing the loyal ones? What is the definition of a "loyal" fan? Am I not loyal? I have a shared season ticket package even though I'm still paying my way through college? I've played hockey my whole life, I even played in a semi professional league. I love the game of hockey, and I want it to be a successful sport that can capture the world.

A sport has to be a corporation or else it's just not going to survive. Is every other major sport ruined now because they are "Americanized"? You seem to just want the game of hockey to be a niche sport of a couple teams and just never grow. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree if that's the case.

So a bastardized version of what the game once was is ok with you??? Then we do have to agree to disagree. I could care less if the game gets more viewers than the Stuperbowl. And yes, all American sports are tainted at this point. It's an American Idol society after all.
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