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#41 SouthernWingsFan

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:28 PM

While his bad stretches were incredibly frustrating, we all saw what he could do with a hot streak here and there, and overall in the playoffs he was busting his tail off and involved even though he only had 2 goals in 12 games. Will gladly be happy if Bertuzzi is back.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 08:32 PM

Was this supposed to be sarcasm? don't think you've mastered it yet if so. No chemistry with Franzen and Zetterberg? Is that how he managed 11 points in 12 playoff games?

Eaves 22 points are almost Bertuzzi's 44? Don't quite see how that math works. God forbid we take opportunities away from Hudler after all he did for the team this season :rolleyes:


5 points in 1 game, mostly because of Franzen's explosion. 6 points in the other 11. Most of those courtesy of Zetterberg's and Filppula's strong play. For the most part, Bert did little to really earn those points. Also, 1 game != chemistry.

And excuse me, I should have been more clear. I meant goals.

Bert isn't right for the 3rd line. He isn't good enough to justify losing a young player like Miller or Eaves. He isn't good enough to justify bumping Flip or Cleary or Hudler to the third line (one of them already will be). A decent scoring third line isn't worth a poor scoring second. Unless Homer decides to retire, I just don't think we have room for Bert.

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 09:26 PM

I would love to give Bert a 2 year deal valued at 2.4 million dollars. Personally I think 1.2 million is a bargain for a player like him. (not a huge bargain, but a bargain)

[edit] BTW, someone is going to get injured at some point next year, Bert can easily fill that top six spot.

Edited by RedWingedKitten, 19 May 2010 - 09:27 PM.


#44 king_malice

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 09:33 PM

Resign Bert,Homer,Abby,Helm,Eaves...let Miller walk

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 01:35 AM

I guess. I kind of like him. He pissed me off the first time around, had his moments in this now past season. I am like whatever at this point.

The best thing about having him on the Wings, is when the Wings are in town, and I am at the Honda Center around a bunch puke Duck fans. I like to yell, "come on Bert, end somebody's career tonight", I usually get a couple of stares, but I don't give a s***. I am usually half in the bag by then. Duck fans are always just so serious all the time.
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:14 AM

I'm with everyone else, it's really a matter of price / drive. When he was on his game he was a valuable asset to the team - especially when he carried us through a portion of those injuries. When he wasn't though, it was brutal.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:53 AM

If Holland wants him back, he'll be back. There was an article earlier this season where he said he regretted leaving Detroit the first time and wants to finish his career here.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:36 AM

With the skill Bert has and now some chemistry built by playing with Mule,Z and D there is no reason his numbers shouldnt get even better next season, as we all seen when Bert wants to play and drive the net there is no stopping him which besides the Mule we dont have a player like that. I say next season Bert should be able to put up 20-30G 25-35A only 4 years ago he had 71PTS that was also his last full played season until this one that just passed. Babcock should just tell Bert all he wants from him is to be parked infront of the net and when he has the puck take it hard to the net go back to the old Bert style.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:49 AM

With the skill Bert has and now some chemistry built by playing with Mule,Z and D there is no reason his numbers shouldnt get even better next season, as we all seen when Bert wants to play and drive the net there is no stopping him which besides the Mule we dont have a player like that. I say next season Bert should be able to put up 20-30G 25-35A only 4 years ago he had 71PTS that was also his last full played season until this one that just passed. Babcock should just tell Bert all he wants from him is to be parked infront of the net and when he has the puck take it hard to the net go back to the old Bert style.

My concerns with Bert is a combo of age, and his lower back...Dunno if he's capable of playing that style that we had seen while he was a Canuck :unsure:

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 09:07 AM

My concerns with Bert is a combo of age, and his lower back...Dunno if he's capable of playing that style that we had seen while he was a Canuck :unsure:


I agree that he is getting older and ya about his back, but we seen a few times this season where Bert just flips a switch and is unstoppable, like in that Sharks series. Playing this whole season and getting workouts in all season long is huge for his back to to go a full season without any major problems.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 10:00 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Bert return, say 2 years for $3.5 mil, a slight raise on this season as I always try to be realistic.

Edited by Aussie_Wing, 20 May 2010 - 10:01 AM.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 10:47 AM

So, who are we losing, since we have such a logjam?

Z-D-Franz
Homer - Flip - Bert
Huds - Ritola - Clears
Drapes - Helm - Abs

So, No Malts, Eaves, Miller, May, or J-Willy? (it's a given J-Willy is gone)


May is retiring. Maltby will be a question mark.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 11:04 AM

(spread out scoring)
Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Hudler
Cleary-Abdelkader-Filppula
Eaves-Helm-Ritola/Draper

(stacked scoring)
Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Franzen
Hudler-Filppula-Holmstrom
Cleary-Abdelkader-Bertuzzi
Eaves-Helm-Ritola/Drpaer

(lol my NHL10 lines this 3rd line dominates every teams 3rd i play)
Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Cleary
Hudler-Filppula-Abdelkader
Eaves-Helm-Ritola/Draper

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 11:37 AM

Going by Kenny's comments it looks to me like Miller may be the odd man out here.

Filppula-Datsyuk-Holmstrom
Franzen-Zetterberg-Bertuzzi
Cleary-Helm-Hudler
Eaves-Abdelkader-Gritty 4th line UFA
Draper

Lidstrom-Rafalski
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Lilja
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Jordan Tootoo will wreck shop.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 12:27 PM

Not quite sure how to feel about this...The good thing was that he was on a 2nd line that appeared to click - however that switch wasn't always in the "on" position.



well put.....im on the fence about this one. It appeared that on most games there was no "jump" in his step. If he appeared to try harder I probably wouldn't be so undecided. But like you said, that 2nd line clicked and was good when it was good. Bert seeks some "continuity" in a contract which is fine provided there is some "continuity" in his play.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 12:40 PM

Think of it this way. That was the consistency he played with in a contract year? What will his play look like when he's locked up for 2-3 years? Float city. We get to watch him fumble passes and get called for phantom penalty's? No thanks!

Edited by Pucks, 20 May 2010 - 12:51 PM.


Welcome to the playoffs....where the games get better and the officiating gets worse.


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Posted 20 May 2010 - 01:45 PM

I'm somewhat on the fence with this one. For the value, Bertuzzi was great this season and he really clicked with Hank and Fil on a line. However, the return of Hudler makes Bertuzzi more expendable to me. If Hudler is getting top six minutes like Babcock claims next season, I have to assume the most likely option to get bumped from the top six is Bertuzzi. I'm not sure how effective Bert would be on a line without Zetterberg, Filppula or Datsyuk. He makes a ton of errors (awful turnovers/bad penalties) as it is and those guys can cover them up to an extent.

I guess I won't care either way however the Bertuzzi decision falls. If he comes back, that's fine. If he doesn't, then we can use that money towards a gritty forward for the bottom two lines.
 
 
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Posted 20 May 2010 - 01:56 PM

I think Bert will be good (perhaps rarely great) on any line as long as he realizes that no matter what line he's on, he has to screen the goaltender, bang in rebounds and retrieve loose pucks. Again, a GOOD fit, but rarely great.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 03:02 PM

I can see him signing a 3 year for around 900k. That would be fine with me.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 04:11 PM

I think Bert will be good (perhaps rarely great) on any line as long as he realizes that no matter what line he's on, he has to screen the goaltender, bang in rebounds and retrieve loose pucks. Again, a GOOD fit, but rarely great.


he's a lot more useful around the net than anywhere else

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