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[RedStormRising]

Saw this today on ESPN*: Wings may swap for Kaberle. If Lidstrom retires...

Is there any truth to this rumor or what are the possible scenarios that you see could unfold?

How do you feel about Kaberle?

Personally I'd love to see him in the winged-wheel if it was for the right price.





*Most likely a baseless claim with no merit.

Edit: RUMOR not RUMER! I've been awake for far too long...

Edited by RedStormRising, 22 May 2010 - 09:52 AM.

[Opie]

Not a fan, to tell you the truth. Kaberle has been a disappointment for the majority of his career imo.
IMO he would be the 4th best d-man on the team behind Ralf, Stuart, and Kronwall. But then again just my opinion.

[Real1]

If you saw it on ESPN, that would be why it is a rumER.

[eva unit zero]

If you saw it on ESPN, that would be why it is a rumER.

Overall, I might take him ahead of Stuart or Rafalski. The thing is, to acquire Kaberle it means one or more of the following if Lids is returning:

1) Stuart or Kronwall is in the deal.

2) Filppula or Hudler AND Ericsson or Kindl are in the deal.

That's the only way we see enough salary go back the other way without dealing Cleary or Rafalski. Cleary won't want to go to Toronto, and Rafalski has said his is so he can retire in Detroit. Plus it makes Kaberle the #3 defenseman on the team with even LESS physical presence on the defense.

If Lids is retiring, it means that the Wings are dealing one of Kindl or Ericsson plus some mediocre 19-22 year old prospect and a mid-round pick, and Kaberle takes up some of the cap space that Lids vacated and everyone here had slotted for his return. It also means that Kaberle is probably playing on the second pair with Rafalski while the third pair is composed of Lilja/Meech/Kindl/Ericsson. But getting Kaberle likely means giving up one of Kindl or Ericsson, a large-bodied, offensively skilled defenseman who has been highly touted.

[Pucks]

Horrible recommendations in this thread, just dreadful. ESPN has less credibility less than Ecklund.

[dicksmack]

Overall, I might take him ahead of Stuart or Rafalski. The thing is, to acquire Kaberle it means one or more of the following if Lids is returning:

1) Stuart or Kronwall is in the deal.

2) Filppula or Hudler AND Ericsson or Kindl are in the deal.

That's the only way we see enough salary go back the other way without dealing Cleary or Rafalski. Cleary won't want to go to Toronto, and Rafalski has said his is so he can retire in Detroit. Plus it makes Kaberle the #3 defenseman on the team with even LESS physical presence on the defense.

If Lids is retiring, it means that the Wings are dealing one of Kindl or Ericsson plus some mediocre 19-22 year old prospect and a mid-round pick, and Kaberle takes up some of the cap space that Lids vacated and everyone here had slotted for his return. It also means that Kaberle is probably playing on the second pair with Rafalski while the third pair is composed of Lilja/Meech/Kindl/Ericsson. But getting Kaberle likely means giving up one of Kindl or Ericsson, a large-bodied, offensively skilled defenseman who has been highly touted.

I was about to say nobody would want a bona fide bust (yes, I called it years ago) like Kindl but then again we are talking about the Maple Leafs here . Pass on Kaberle... we don't need a soft pp specialist dman who doesn't like to shoot from the point,

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[GMRwings1983]

I don't like those rosy red cheeks of his.

He did, however, go 4 for 4 in the "Most Accurate Shoooter" in the All-Star Game competition, so he must be great, right?

[SaCkaveli20]

I guess i'm alone liking this idea? lol

[Mitchmac33]

does anyone know kaberle's contract right now? like salary and years remaining?

[Motown4013]

I am probably in the minority but I actually wouldnt mind Kaberle if Lids retires. We would need a veteran...and Raffi doesnt seem to embrace that role. In terms of Defensemen that are good puck movers at a reasonable price (he made 4.2 mill last year) he is not a bad option. We play Raffi 6 million and some of the guys that are in Tomas's caliber are making 7 million (thinking of Campbell and Redden- both GIGANTICALLY overpaid) No one is going to replace Lids...but I am sure he would come here and take a little less to be on a winning team.
Kaberle has averaged around 40 points a season the last 5 years playing with no real secondary d-men until the latter part of this year but he was hurt for a time.
If Burkie wants to deal Kaberle, I doubt he wants anything from Detroit that he could get (like Pavs or Hank)- he wants to clear up capspace so he can sign the biggest UFA-Kovalchuk.

[Motown4013]

does anyone know kaberle's contract right now? like salary and years remaining?

4.25 Million and a UFA next year 2011

[Blood On The Ice]

Horrible recommendations in this thread, just dreadful. ESPN has less credibility less than Ecklund.

As soon as I read the story, I thought it sounded like something Eklund would post.

Edited by Blood On The Ice, 22 May 2010 - 01:24 PM.

[F.Michael]

Having a soft-spot for the Leafs, and watching Kaberle since the late 1990's - all I can say is that he'd arguably be either our #1, or #2 Dman on the team.

Mack, and Puffy could both attest to his talent; Kaberle is a 60 point guy with the right team - however he'll never see those numbers if he stays with the Maple Leafs...Getting him would mean giving them either Kronwall, or Stuart (personally I think Burke would rather have Stuart).

I am probably in the minority but I actually wouldnt mind Kaberle if Lids retires. We would need a veteran...and Raffi doesnt seem to embrace that role. In terms of Defensemen that are good puck movers at a reasonable price (he made 4.2 mill last year) he is not a bad option. We play Raffi 6 million and some of the guys that are in Tomas's caliber are making 7 million (thinking of Campbell and Redden- both GIGANTICALLY overpaid) No one is going to replace Lids...but I am sure he would come here and take a little less to be on a winning team.
Kaberle has averaged around 40 points a season the last 5 years playing with no real secondary d-men until the latter part of this year but he was hurt for a time.
If Burkie wants to deal Kaberle, I doubt he wants anything from Detroit that he could get (like Pavs or Hank)- he wants to clear up capspace so he can sign the biggest UFA-Kovalchuk.

I could see Burke wanting Kronwall, or Stuart - although you could be right in the fact that he'd maybe rather have a 1st round pick for Kaberle, and that way he'd free up some cap space in order to make an offer to Kovalchuk.

[VM1138]

Kaberle is like Mike Green without the offensive skills. No thanks. Especially for what he'll cost.

[eva unit zero]

Kaberle is like Mike Green without the offensive skills. No thanks. Especially for what he'll cost.

Kaberle is much, much better than Green defensively, and although he doesn't have Green's offensive numbers, I don't think the skill set is as far apart as the numbers are. I would definitely take Kaberle over Green.

[T-Ruff]

[MCleveland89]

Couldn't be summed up any better.

[13dangledangle]

lol I don't like this idea at ALL!! Kaberle obviously a good Dman but not what need (imo), especially if were trading for him

[SweWings]

Given what Detroit would have to give up for this trade to go through - me no likey.

[wingscapsfan]

I beg to differ, Kaberle is not better than Green defensively in my opinion. He makes enough defensive mistakes as well, and his offensive game is nowhere near Greens.

Kaberle is much, much better than Green defensively, and although he doesn't have Green's offensive numbers, I don't think the skill set is as far apart as the numbers are. I would definitely take Kaberle over Green.