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[Doc Holliday]

Why?

12 goals in 20 games with Crosby as his centerman.

[Broken 16]

12 goals in 20 games with Crosby as his centerman.

Slow down Doc... If I didn't know any better, I might think that you think that I think that the Hossa curse is real. I know you love to argue over anything, but I'm not really game on this one. I'll be sure to add sarcasm tags in the future to make it less confusing for you.

Edited by Broken 16, 24 May 2010 - 02:11 PM.

[Doc Holliday]

Slow down Doc... If I didn't know any better, I might think that you think that I think that the Hossa curse is real. I know you love to argue over anything, but I'm not really game on this one. I'll be sure to add sarcasm tags in the future to make it less confusing for you.

I made a simple comment to your "sarcastic" post. Boo hoo.

If you can't handle that then maybe you should put me on ignore.

Oh wait, I forgot I just love to "argue". I thought this was a discussion board. My mistake.

Edited by Doc Holliday, 24 May 2010 - 02:17 PM.

[Detroit # 1 Fan]

http://hossacurse.bl...finals-for.html

lol thank god for Puck Daddy

[Broken 16]

I made a simple comment to your "sarcastic" post. Boo hoo.

If you can't handle that then maybe you should put me on ignore.

Oh wait, I forgot I just love to "argue". I thought this was a discussion board. My mistake.

Actually, you made a sarcastic comment to my sarcastic post... since we are splitting hairs and I have a few minutes.

And since we are going to delve into the past, I'm glad we took Franzen over Hossa. But not because of any silly curse.

[Doc Holliday]

Actually, you made a sarcastic comment to my sarcastic post... since we are splitting hairs and I have a few minutes.

And since we are going to delve into the past, I'm glad we took Franzen over Hossa. But not because of any silly curse.

I'm also glad we took Franzen over Hossa. Injury or not I think he underacheived and this postseason is another example of that.

[Broken 16]

I'm also glad we took Franzen over Hossa. Injury or not I think he underacheived and this postseason is another example of that.

Honestly... I think the pressure is getting to him. I remember seeing him against us in the Finals and thinking he was the best player on the ice. I've always liked him. And I was beyond happy when he signed here. I'm really starting to think that this whole playoff thing is just a monkey on his back.

I mean, think about it, he's averaging around .75 ppg in the playoffs for his career (not bad). We all know that he has strong two-way skills. I'm almost starting to think that he is just gripping the stick a little too tightly in the playoffs since he left the Penguins. Maybe his psyche is out of wack?

[Doc Holliday]

Honestly... I think the pressure is getting to him. I remember seeing him against us in the Finals and thinking he was the best player on the ice. I've always liked him. And I was beyond happy when he signed here. I'm really starting to think that this whole playoff thing is just a monkey on his back.

I mean, think about it, he's averaging around .75 ppg in the playoffs for his career (not bad). We all know that he has strong two-way skills. I'm almost starting to think that he is just gripping the stick a little too tightly in the playoffs since he left the Penguins. Maybe his psyche is out of wack?

Possibly. Never really thought about his psyche in regards to his performance.

I am sure he will be jumping for joy if/when he gets to hoist that cup in a couple weeks.

That pretty much the only reason I would be rooting for Chicago. Just to give Hossa that cup after all the heartbreak he has been through.

[GMRwings1983]

Tell that to Crosby.

GMR: Did Sandstrom not deserve his cup ring for his 0 goals on a line with Steve Yzerman in 1997?

Sandstrom wasn't a star player that was going Cup hunting with different teams every year.

As a star player, Hossa doesn't deserve the Cup. He disappears in big games.

[Mitchmac33]

I have a question on Hossa's contract. Since he will make 7,900,000 a year until 2016-17 then he'll make around 4 mil then it's 1 mil after that for the remainder of his contract, does the 35+ thing come into effect or does that only count when you are 35+ and sign a contract? So my main question really i guess is say he retires in 2017-18 when he's gettin paid 1 mil and his cap hit is 5 million and whatever, does that cap hit still apply the the hawks?

[55fan]

I have a question on Hossa's contract. Since he will make 7,900,000 a year until 2016-17 then he'll make around 4 mil then it's 1 mil after that for the remainder of his contract, does the 35+ thing come into effect or does that only count when you are 35+ and sign a contract? So my main question really i guess is say he retires in 2017-18 when he's gettin paid 1 mil and his cap hit is 5 million and whatever, does that cap hit still apply the the hawks?

The 35+ is only if you sign the contract over that age. Zata and Mule and Hossa all have contracts where they can retire before the contracts are over without having it apply to the cap.

The difference is that Z and Mule are more likely to finish out their contracts since Hossa's would require him to play to an older age (42 IIRC, but don't quote me on that.)

Pronger's contract extension with the Flyers was signed before the age of 35, but went into effect after he turned 35, thus muddying things up.

[Doc Holliday]

Sandstrom wasn't a star player that was going Cup hunting with different teams every year.

As a star player, Hossa doesn't deserve the Cup. He disappears in big games.

It doesn't really matter if he "deserves" it or not because if Chicago wins he is getting a cup ring.

He played the games and was part of the team. Ergo, cup ring.

[cusimano_brothers]

"Coattails" Hossa: 16 games, 11 points. He's not hurt again, is he?

[Doc Holliday]

"Coattails" Hossa: 16 games, 11 points. He's not hurt again, is he?

The most telling thing is that he has a third of the goals he had last year at this point.

[Mitchmac33]

The 35+ is only if you sign the contract over that age. Zata and Mule and Hossa all have contracts where they can retire before the contracts are over without having it apply to the cap.

The difference is that Z and Mule are more likely to finish out their contracts since Hossa's would require him to play to an older age (42 IIRC, but don't quote me on that.)

Pronger's contract extension with the Flyers was signed before the age of 35, but went into effect after he turned 35, thus muddying things up.

thank you for answering that. and i think you're right, i was pretty sure it was 42 as well

[cusimano_brothers]

The most telling thing is that he has a third of the goals he had last year at this point.

We keep hearing that Chicago is not worried about his lack of point production, that he's doing the "little things" for them. That's an awful lot of money being paid for a "little things" player. Maybe he is really is "no pay / no play" in the playoffs.

[EZBAKETHAGANGSTA]

Hossa isn't playing anywhere as good as he was in 07-08, but he isn't playing bad by any stretch. Chicago's not getting their money out of him putting him on a line with his admirer, but neither were the Wing's with all the stars who were on the 3rd and 4th line of years past. Depth improves teams but decreases numbers. Don't believe me? Ask Danny Heatly

It doesn't really matter if he "deserves" it or not because if Chicago wins he is getting a cup ring.

He played the games and was part of the team. Ergo, cup ring.

Exactly. No one is going to Luc Robitallie's house and demanding that he give his 02 ring back (granted he didn't real play bad, just had very limited ice time).

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Edited by EZBAKETHAGANGSTA, 24 May 2010 - 03:48 PM.

[Frozen-Man]

I hate the Hawks with a passion but they built their team with youth and talent, they are gonna be contenders for years. Good luck to them and I hope Hossa can finally lift Lord Stanley. They deserve to be where they're at. With that said I hope the Finals will go 7 games I'd love to see how physical the Flyers (assuming they will close it out tonight) can be against the Hawks especially Kane. By the way does Kane still have that stupid mullet?

Actually, they built their team by sucking for quite a long time:

2007: 1st Overall Draft Pick (Kane)
2006: 3rd Overall Draft Pick (Toews)
2005: 7th Overall Draft Pick (Skille)
2004: 3rd Overall Draft Pick (Barker)


Good job in not picking a lot of busts but come on the only reason the Hawks are good is because the sucked for long enough to get 6 top Ten picks since 2000 and 3 Top Three picks in four years. Its a shame but the best way to be good in the new NHL is to suck for 5 or 6 years in a row.


Edit: Just ask the Penguins.

Edited by Frozen-Man, 24 May 2010 - 03:57 PM.

[Doc Holliday]

Actually, they built their team by sucking for quite a long time:

2007: 1st Overall Draft Pick (Kane)
2006: 3rd Overall Draft Pick (Toews)
2005: 7th Overall Draft Pick (Skille)
2004: 3rd Overall Draft Pick (Barker)


Good job in not picking a lot of busts but come on the only reason the Hawks are good is because the sucked for long enough to get 6 top Ten picks since 2000 and 3 Top Three picks in four years. Its a shame but the best way to be good in the new NHL is to suck for 5 or 6 years in a row.


Edit: Just ask the Penguins.

How did the Wings nab Yzerman?

[HankthaTank]

And the other key is to pay Brian Campbell $7,142,875 a year....


Still unbelievable he gets that much