Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I don't agree with that. I think that they could contend for the cup. They weren't even close to win against the sharks (yeah 1 goal games but they failed in the essential parts of the game) they wouldn't have a chance against the hawks, and they would have more problem against the nucks than the yotes... if you can't win against sharks, hawks, nucks.. it's a failure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 They weren't banged up in the playoffs... Really? That's why Cleary had surgery RIGHT after the season, Eaves missed pretty much the whole SJ series and an MCL heals in entirety in 4 months on Franzen, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rick zombo 3,739 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 IF Lids re-signed for 7M then this is roughly what the roster looks like. - with Homer getting a slight raise - with Janik or someone at league minimum as the 7th D-man - with slight raises for Eaves, Abby, and Helm - with Miller released - with Ritola as the 13th forward Either Holland makes a trade, or he's banking on that 2M cap increase. Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) * Tomas Holmstrom ($2.500m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Todd Bertuzzi ($1.500m) * Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / * Darren Helm ($0.800m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.700m) Mattias Ritola ($0.517m) DEFENSEMEN * Nicklas Lidstrom ($7.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) * Doug Janik ($0.500m) GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion) ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m; PAYROLL: $58.080m; CAP ROOM: $-1.280m Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I was referring to if the contract is 7 million. Amazing defenseman or not, at his age, does he really deserve to be making a million + more than Green, Pronger and Boyle? Term I was referring to if the contract is 7 million. Amazing defenseman or not, at his age, does he really deserve to be making a million + more than Green, Pronger and Boyle? Term I was referring to if the contract is 7 million. Amazing defenseman or not, at his age, does he really deserve to be making a million + more than Green, Pronger and Boyle? Term 1 T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I was referring to if the contract is 7 million. Amazing defenseman or not, at his age, does he really deserve to be making a million + more than Green, Pronger and Boyle? Chris Pronger makes 7.6 million dollars next year. The only reason his cap hit is lower is because of length of contract. Lidstrom cannot guarantee that he will play after next season and at his age retirement doesn't take the cap hit off... He couldn't sign for more than the year he will play. He will make less than Pronger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Yeah, that almost identical roster certainly sucked in 2008. Err...Drake, Samuelsson... and osgood who could stop pucks... Don't underestimate what they did that year. (Those two are gone, osgood won't bounce back in this final year in a wings jersey) 1 2guns reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Term Term Term boom. 2 Zeowingsfan and Edillac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick Zombos Ghost 82 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 i knew he we wouldnt get any kind of discount cause he was asked about it on locker clean out day he said we would want "fair market" value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Because they will be forced to put the same team on the ice as last season (+hudler) and that FOR SURE won't be enough for a championship season. Keep in mind that the plethora of rookies will now have a year of experience under their belts. Ericcson, Helm, and Howard should (theoretically) all be more reliable on the ice, and we'll also have Abby the whole year instead of Williams. And don't underestimate what adding Hudler can do to the team. Especially if Babs wants to roll three "scoring lines". Its not the top six that wins a playoff series, but the bottom six. Next year we may also have a bit of money at the deadline to pick up someone who can add a bit of depth. Don't count next year as a lost cause before this year's playoffs are even over. Edited June 1, 2010 by Echolalia 1 T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Din758 371 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 They weren't banged up in the playoffs... it sure woulda helped to get nashville first round instead of a 7 game series on the other side of the world...look what happened to montreal, they took down 2 monsters then couldnt handle a good at best flyers team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisdetroit 189 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Pronger and Keith are in the category as lidstrom, keith is 27 and will win the norris this year, he has a 5.5m caphit, pronger's caphit is 4.9m next season at age 36... It's very fair to say they are atleast equally good, probably better, and they make less than lidstrom.. therefore i can't be happy about a 6m caphit, the team wont be able to sign a third liner, at best a 850k fourth liner or something, Both Keith and Pronger were signed to long term contracts so as to minimize the AVERAGE cap hit. Pronger's salary for next year in $7.6M, Keith will make $8M next year. Lids was signed for 1 year. Your post is just plain wrong. nhlnumbers.com 1 Edillac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Actually I do think the Red Wings have enough talent for a championship. Kronwall will need to take a big leap and hopefully our roster can stay healthier. Red Wings showed that they can still be dominate when healthy(key word). I really think we have better odds if we just make small editions rather then completely turning over the roster and essentially guess that Babcock can create chemistry with free agents( which doesn't usually pan out). 3 T-Ruff, Edillac and Zeowingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Chris Pronger makes 7.6 million dollars next year. The only reason his cap hit is lower is because of length of contract. Lidstrom cannot guarantee that he will play after next season and at his age retirement doesn't take the cap hit off... He couldn't sign for more than the year he will play. He will make less than Pronger. Stand corrected, they're hits are higher than I thought. Edited June 1, 2010 by ShanahanMan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Show me that clause. Restricted Free Agents: A player set to become a restricted will become an unrestricted free agent if his current team does not make him a qualifying offer that adheres to the minimum raise policy of the CBA. The deadline to qualify all RFA's is June 29 * Qualifying Offers: A qualifying offer must include the following minimum raises: o Previous salary < $660,000: 10% increase in salary o Previous salary < $1,000,000: 5% increase in salary o Previous salary > $1,000,000: Match previous season's salary 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 They weren't even close to win against the sharks (yeah 1 goal games but they failed in the essential parts of the game) they wouldn't have a chance against the hawks, and they would have more problem against the nucks than the yotes... if you can't win against sharks, hawks, nucks.. it's a failure. Then why bother watching? It's done - RIP 2011 Detroit Red Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Err...Drake, Samuelsson... and osgood who could stop pucks... Don't underestimate what they did that year. (Those two are gone, osgood won't bounce back in this final year in a wings jersey) Howard has proved capable, Sammy was a solid role-player and not too much more and Holland is looking to add a Drake-type player to the fold. No one's underestimating what those guys did. You're just not factoring into the mix what they'll have next year to replace them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Stand corrected, they're hits are higher than I thought. As a fan I can understand that but it doesn't work that way in a negotiation... Would you rather Lidstrom sign a 2 year contract to reduce the cap hit...then decide he wants to retire next year and have a cap hit for him in 2 years when he isn't playing??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) Both Keith and Pronger were signed to long term contracts so as to minimize the AVERAGE cap hit. Pronger's salary for next year in $7.6M, Keith will make $8M next year. Lids was signed for 1 year. Your post is just plain wrong. nhlnumbers.com To a GM and fans the caphit is all that matters, lidstrom should be honest with himself "gee I'm not better than some of the D's in this league maybe i should help my own team as much as they have helpted theirs by getting a low CAPHIT contract for this (probable)final year as i've already made 80million dollars or whatnot in my carrer" Edited June 1, 2010 by mindfly 1 IILeiBlazeII reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShanahanMan 473 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 As a fan I can understand that but it doesn't work that way in a negotiation... Would you rather Lidstrom sign a 2 year contract to reduce the cap hit...then decide he wants to retire next year and have a cap hit for him in 2 years when he isn't playing??? Eh? I was under the assumption cap hits don't apply to a team once the player retires? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman191 37 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I'm really excited Lidstrom decided to come back. Not only does it bode well for the team, as one of the top defensemen in the league is returning, but it says a lot about the confidence Lidstrom has in this team going into next year. Why would Lidstrom return if he didn't think we could ice a better team next year? Why would he return if he didn't think he could add another accomplishment to his long list of achievements (hinting at his comment at the end of the season)? As a fan, that has to be reassuring. EDIT: Do any of you actually think Keith or Pronger would be making those salaries if they had signed a 1-year deal? The reason their cap-hits are so low is because they were signed to long term contracts, not because that's all they were worth. Edited June 1, 2010 by Yzerman191 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Restricted Free Agents: A player set to become a restricted will become an unrestricted free agent if his current team does not make him a qualifying offer that adheres to the minimum raise policy of the CBA. The deadline to qualify all RFA's is June 29 * Qualifying Offers: A qualifying offer must include the following minimum raises: o Previous salary < $660,000: 10% increase in salary o Previous salary < $1,000,000: 5% increase in salary o Previous salary > $1,000,000: Match previous season's salary I appreciate the research! mindfly: We're talking a minimum required increase for all four of those players (Abdelkader, Helm, Miller & Eaves) *combined* of only $204,944.40. Not even a quarter million....total! 1 dobbles reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Eh? I was under the assumption cap hits don't apply to a team once the player retires? They apply if player is over 35 (or 34) years old. 1 T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) I appreciate the research! mindfly: We're talking a minimum required increase for all four of those players (Abdelkader, Helm, Miller & Eaves) *combined* of only $204,944.40. Not even a quarter million....total! Yeah I admit that appears not to be much, and they probably won't get any offers from other teams'... Still I wanted ken holland to go for a solid 2.5-3M third liner...all in vain now with lidstrom's 7Million contract, though. Edited June 1, 2010 by mindfly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 To a GM and fans the caphit is all that matters, lidstrom should be honest with himself "gee I'm not better than some of the D's in this league maybe i should help my own team as much as they have helpted theirs by getting a low CAPHIT contract for this (probable)final year as i've already made 80million dollars or whatnot in my carrer" Once again, says the guy who's money this isn't. Yeah I admit that appears not to be much, and they probably won't get any offers from other teams'... Still I wanted ken holland to go for a solid 2.5-3M third liner...all in vain now with lidstrom's 7Million contract, though. Fair enough, but (1) I'm not sure a $2.5-$3 million third liner was officially in Kenny's plan to begin with, and (2) it's not completely out the window this year given the uncertainty in the bottom-6, not to mention the trade deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Eh? I was under the assumption cap hits don't apply to a team once the player retires? If they sign the contract before the age of 35. Any multi-year deal signed after the age of 35 the cap hit cannot be relieved by waiving a player or by retirement. That is why Hatcher and Rathje stayed on the Flyers roster for years on the LTIR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
