newfy 695 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 This is another thread about the possible drake type Holland may be looking at. Eager is a huge hitter, young and a solid fihgter. Reading some chicago boards people seem to think Eager will not be back next year because of the cap situation. Scored 11 goals a couple seasons ago and can play solid 4th line minutes, he doesn't just play 3 fighter minutes a night. Anyone think this is a possibilty? Seems most Hawks fans don't think he'll return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 his brain is the size of a walnut and he isn't tough at all pass 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Well which Chicago 4th liner do you want? I honestly would say Eager is a bit better to have out there than Burish all things considered. Eager is a pain in the ass as Burish is but can back it up way better. Plus we have to start plucking from them and make this rivalry even better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 his brain is the size of a walnut and he isn't tough at all pass He's just as tough or tougher then Drake ever was, and just as big of a hitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I'd rather have Boogaard. He can take his 11 goals and shove it up his ass. The guy gets his ass kicked when he fights top heavies. He got smoked by a 42 year old Roberts a few years ago. Besides, he's a penalty machine. People here bitched that Downey would take penalties, even though he hardly ever did. Imagine what they'll be saying when this guy comes to Detroit. If we can't have Boogaard, a guy like Asham would be a better option if I had to choose. 1 Edillac reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted June 1, 2010 all those minor penalties outweigh the fighting majors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Well which Chicago 4th liner do you want? I honestly would say Eager is a bit better to have out there than Burish all things considered. Eager is a pain in the ass as Burish is but can back it up way better. Plus we have to start plucking from them and make this rivalry even better. Honestly I would take either of them and the fact that they are close to detroit they may want to come here if they can't stay in Chicago. Eager is tougher but Burish is the better all around player. I'd rather have Boogaard. He can take his 11 goals and shove it up his ass. The guy gets his ass kicked when he fights top heavies. He got smoked by a 42 year old Roberts a few years ago. Besides, he's a penalty machine. People here bitched that Downey would take penalties, even though he hardly ever did. Imagine what they'll be saying when this guy comes to Detroit. If we can't have Boogaard, a guy like Asham would be a better option if I had to choose. Boogard won't happen. Holland wants a guy who can play and be physical. I would rather add Abdelkader and a guy like Asham, Burish or Eager then add one heavy who plays 3 minutes a night. Build a team of all around tough Middle weights that can still play like philly has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 If we can't have Boogaard, a guy like Asham would be a better option if I had to choose. Id have both. Ive stolen this list from hockeyfights.com which is the free agent UFA's and RFA's of the toughness realm with their age and salary from this year. UFA- Zenon Konopka-28-$500,000 Derek Boogaard-27-$1,250,000 Jody Shelley-33-$725,000 Eric Boulton-32-$600,000 Raitis Ivanans-30-$600,000 David Koci-28-$575,000 Steve MacIntyre-28-$550,000 Arron Asham-31-$640,000 Shawn Thornton-31-$550,000 Tim Jackman-27-$550,000 Brian McGrattan-27-$547,000 Jason Strudwick-33-$700,000 Adam Mair-30-$775,000 Scott Nichol-34-$750,000 Adam Burish-26$725,000 Krys Barch-27-$575,000 Sheldon Brookbank-28-$550,000 John Scott-26-$550,000 Tim Conboy-27-$500,000 RFA- Brandon Prust-25-$525,000 Ben Eager-25-$965,000 Jared Boll-23-$550,000 Nick Tarnasky-24-$550,000 Richard Clune-22-$562,000 David Clarkson-25-$875,000 Nate Thompson-24/(AHL) Daniel Carcillo-24-$938,000 D.J. King-25-$550,000 Kyle Chipchura-23-$500,000 Jean-Francois Jacques-24-$550,000 Gregory Campbell-25-$800,000 Steve Downie-22-$600,000 Andre Deveaux-25-/($85,000 AHL) Shane O'Brien-25-$1,600,000 Tanner Glass-25-$500,000 Asham, Burish, Barch and Boll stick out as realistic targets Holland could look at that I'd like to see in a Winged Wheel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 He's not a horrible skater and he will throw with anyone.As we saw last night,he can put the puck in the net occasionally.I'd be thrilled to have Ben Eager in a Wings sweater next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Id have both. Ive stolen this list from hockeyfights.com which is the free agent UFA's and RFA's of the toughness realm with their age and salary from this year. UFA- Zenon Konopka-28-$500,000 Derek Boogaard-27-$1,250,000 Jody Shelley-33-$725,000 Eric Boulton-32-$600,000 Raitis Ivanans-30-$600,000 David Koci-28-$575,000 Steve MacIntyre-28-$550,000 Arron Asham-31-$640,000 Shawn Thornton-31-$550,000 Tim Jackman-27-$550,000 Brian McGrattan-27-$547,000 Jason Strudwick-33-$700,000 Adam Mair-30-$775,000 Scott Nichol-34-$750,000 Adam Burish-26$725,000 Krys Barch-27-$575,000 Sheldon Brookbank-28-$550,000 John Scott-26-$550,000 Tim Conboy-27-$500,000 RFA- Brandon Prust-25-$525,000 Ben Eager-25-$965,000 Jared Boll-23-$550,000 Nick Tarnasky-24-$550,000 Richard Clune-22-$562,000 David Clarkson-25-$875,000 Nate Thompson-24/(AHL) Daniel Carcillo-24-$938,000 D.J. King-25-$550,000 Kyle Chipchura-23-$500,000 Jean-Francois Jacques-24-$550,000 Gregory Campbell-25-$800,000 Steve Downie-22-$600,000 Andre Deveaux-25-/($85,000 AHL) Shane O'Brien-25-$1,600,000 Tanner Glass-25-$500,000 Asham, Burish, Barch and Boll stick out as realistic targets Holland could look at that I'd like to see in a Winged Wheel. I dont like Barch really, I would much rather have any of the other 3. Eager is just a huge hitter and can skate over average for a 4th liner I think so he might be possible. Boll would be my favourite addition probably but Tanner glass has some appeal as well. Holland has some options this year to add a decent 4th line gritty guy who can play and fight. Hopefully he isn't all talk. Brookabnk for Lilja could be a good replacement if Lilja walks or retires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I dont like Barch really, I would much rather have any of the other 3. Eager is just a huge hitter and can skate over average for a 4th liner I think so he might be possible. Boll would be my favourite addition probably but Tanner glass has some appeal as well. Holland has some options this year to add a decent 4th line gritty guy who can play and fight. Hopefully he isn't all talk. Brookabnk for Lilja could be a good replacement if Lilja walks or retires. Boll seems like a possibility.Skates well,hits whatever moves,not afraid of anyone.He doesn't seem to have as much offensive upside as a guy like Eager tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 This is another thread about the possible drake type Holland may be looking at. Eager is a huge hitter, young and a solid fihgter. Reading some chicago boards people seem to think Eager will not be back next year because of the cap situation. Scored 11 goals a couple seasons ago and can play solid 4th line minutes, he doesn't just play 3 fighter minutes a night. Anyone think this is a possibilty? Seems most Hawks fans don't think he'll return. This is exactly what he did the other night 3:24 or something TOI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 This is exactly what he did the other night 3:24 or something TOI I'll settle with a goal every 3:24 TOI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13dangledangle 965 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 I'd rather have Boogaard. He can take his 11 goals and shove it up his ass. The guy gets his ass kicked when he fights top heavies. He got smoked by a 42 year old Roberts a few years ago. Besides, he's a penalty machine. People here bitched that Downey would take penalties, even though he hardly ever did. Imagine what they'll be saying when this guy comes to Detroit. If we can't have Boogaard, a guy like Asham would be a better option if I had to choose. Asham has looked really good, but the problem is EVERYONE is noticing the guys stepping up so there price tags on being resigned will go up! Unfortunately for Holland and Co. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Id have both. Ive stolen this list from hockeyfights.com which is the free agent UFA's and RFA's of the toughness realm with their age and salary from this year. UFA- Zenon Konopka-28-$500,000 Derek Boogaard-27-$1,250,000 Jody Shelley-33-$725,000 Eric Boulton-32-$600,000 Raitis Ivanans-30-$600,000 David Koci-28-$575,000 Steve MacIntyre-28-$550,000 Arron Asham-31-$640,000 Shawn Thornton-31-$550,000 Tim Jackman-27-$550,000 Brian McGrattan-27-$547,000 Jason Strudwick-33-$700,000 Adam Mair-30-$775,000 Scott Nichol-34-$750,000 Adam Burish-26$725,000 Krys Barch-27-$575,000 Sheldon Brookbank-28-$550,000 John Scott-26-$550,000 Tim Conboy-27-$500,000 RFA- Brandon Prust-25-$525,000 Ben Eager-25-$965,000 Jared Boll-23-$550,000 Nick Tarnasky-24-$550,000 Richard Clune-22-$562,000 David Clarkson-25-$875,000 Nate Thompson-24/(AHL) Daniel Carcillo-24-$938,000 D.J. King-25-$550,000 Kyle Chipchura-23-$500,000 Jean-Francois Jacques-24-$550,000 Gregory Campbell-25-$800,000 Steve Downie-22-$600,000 Andre Deveaux-25-/($85,000 AHL) Shane O'Brien-25-$1,600,000 Tanner Glass-25-$500,000 Asham, Burish, Barch and Boll stick out as realistic targets Holland could look at that I'd like to see in a Winged Wheel. Of the UFA's I would prefer Konopka, Burish, or Thornton. Asham would be ideal, but he will likely command 1mill+ and want a third line role. I was surprised to see that Konopka had some scoring success in the AHL- he could possibly rack up 15+ points with the Wings forth line. Of the RFA's, I like Prust, Boll, and Glass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 1, 2010 RIght now I would want Prime-Dallas Drake..that would be something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 Of the UFA's I would prefer Konopka, Burish, or Thornton. Asham would be ideal, but he will likely command 1mill+ and want a third line role. I was surprised to see that Konopka had some scoring success in the AHL- he could possibly rack up 15+ points with the Wings forth line. Of the RFA's, I like Prust, Boll, and Glass. Not to mention Konopka was among the top in faceoff % last year if I'm not mistaken.He is absolutely fearless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted June 1, 2010 (edited) i would like having Konopka, but we already have basiclaly three 4th line centers. could move helm to the wing they'll be wanting him to develop as a center Edited June 1, 2010 by Lidstromboli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 i would like having Konopka, but we already have basiclaly three 4th line centers. could move helm to the wing they'll be wanting him to develop as a center My thoughts exactly.I wonder if Konopka has any experience playing wing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WorkingOvertime 536 Report post Posted June 1, 2010 i would like having Konopka, but we already have basiclaly three 4th line centers. could move helm to the wing they'll be wanting him to develop as a center I agree, but maybe Konopka could make the switch to wing? Helm's speed is a great asset at the center position; however, I haven't wanted enough of Konopka to comment on his skating and positioning abilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 2, 2010 This is exactly what he did the other night 3:24 or something TOI In a tight Stanley cup final game. Throughout the season he plays about 9 minutes and can score goals in the double digits. Eager would probably have the most offensive upside for a guy that would cost under a million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 2, 2010 RIght now I would want Prime-Dallas Drake..that would be something Alot of these guys are extremely similar to a prime Dallas Drake. Some even better. Nystrom is just as good as a prime Dallas Drake, skill wise and hes tougher. Eager hits just as hard, is a tougher fighter and can scorejust as well as a prime Drake basically. Burish has some offensive upside and is just as big of a pain in the ass as Drake ever was. Just because we had Drake for one year and he hit hard doesn't mean there isn't guys out there who are just as capable. As wings fans we're just not used to seeing players that play this style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted June 2, 2010 prime dallas drake was scoring 30-40 points every season and being pretty physical. we had him for three years unless you're just talking about his last stint with the wings. none of the guys mentioned yet have come close to that first part though. nystrom is the closest and he's just now entering prime age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 2, 2010 He's just as tough or tougher then Drake ever was, and just as big of a hitter. not even close 1 Reds4Life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newfy 695 Report post Posted June 2, 2010 prime dallas drake was scoring 30-40 points every season and being pretty physical. we had him for three years unless you're just talking about his last stint with the wings. none of the guys mentioned yet have come close to that first part though. nystrom is the closest and he's just now entering prime age. Drake topped out at 20 goals. he was more around 12-15 per year though I think giving Nystrom 2 years he could hit that easily and he is tougher then Drake was. I'm not downplaying Drake he was a great player. Eager has hit 11 goals already and is also tougher and a bigger hitter. Eager won't have quite the offense drake did but he's still only 5 goals off pretty much I'm just saying guys like Drake aren't all that hard to find, or at least guys that can fill the role fairly well. As wings fans we just aren't used to seeing it, teams like Chicago and Philly have a few guys who can fill this role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
