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#21 KrazyGangsta

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 10:57 AM

You mean the goal where they had 6 guys on the ice for 30 seconds?

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:21 AM

Meh I somewhat agree with the OP but not to the extreme he portrays.. I definitely think we could ice a better team
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:22 AM

For everyone that think its a con for re-signing lids at that much I just want to let you guys know there is no other FA that could even come in the Wings and have the impact that Lidstrom on this team. Im really with him re-signing IMO best FA signing this off season. Would rather have Lidstrom over anyone.

The second this team will lose Lids, Wings will fall down to a good team from being elite.

It's not that I don't think he's worth the money because if it was a multiyear deal I would love the price. And if I could get $7mill I would take it. The problem I have is he said he wants to retire but not winning the cup stopped him. That put me under the impression the game meant more than the money and he was going to give Kenny some help getting a legit contender together. This one year may set them back if they lose and have to rebuild next season. I will never lose faith in Mick but I think his actions contradicted his words. That said I think we got him for a steal and will just hope last years problems are over.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:25 AM

Anyone think Nicks's elbow will be better next season, so he can actually shoot the puck from the point like the nick we all have loved for years? His slapper was definitely affected.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 11:44 AM

I'm not going to be overexcited just because Hudler is coming. And who said that Lebda is gone for sure?

I want to wait and see who Holland signs as that "gritty" player that he talked about. Some new blood wouldn't hurt on the bottom two lines.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 12:34 PM

I don't think I can get too excited because I wasn't so impressed with this team even when they were healthy. I don't expect many game changing roster moves, but any upgrades will just be icing - the cake will still be the same. We had a healthy team in the end and looked overmatched to me. It will be nice to have Happy back, but ultimately the team needs more out of Z and Dats and Mule needs to be there to help them do that. Its not like they played poorly, but I don't fully buy the whole "tired" argument, so I just have to hope they can recapture a little fire that seemed to be missing. Flip needs to step it up too.


Anyone think Nicks's elbow will be better next season, so he can actually shoot the puck from the point like the nick we all have loved for years? His slapper was definitely affected.


I haven't seen it listed which elbow it is, but I assume that is his right (upper) elbow as tendinitis and tennis elbow usually is in hockey players (including me). Usually that makes it much more painful to hold the stick with one hand, rather than shooting so I don't think his slapper would be affected so much. With a little rest in the off season it should feel better in the beginning, but those things come right back once you start playing.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

i would wait for actual results before determining the pros and cons

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:06 PM

What makes you think they have a chance? PROS: Nick is coming back. Brett Lebda isn't. No Olympics. That little guy's back. We get to see some young guys from GR. Flip, Ericsson, and Howard have one more year of experience. CONS: Nick took $6.2 million. No cash for a decent free agent. There's no addition to a losing team, just subtraction. THE WINGS GOT FIGURED OUT BY THE SHARKS, who's next?


you seem to be forgetting that lids is making over a mil less than last year and the cap is going up approx 2mil. 3 mil clears up space to sign or trade for a good player if the wings so desire. it won't be a dman. and where's a spot on fwd if holland gets a 4th line pain in the ass to play against?

Z - dats - franzen - flip - huds - cleary - helm - abby - draper...9 already signed
homer - bert - ritola - miller - eaves...5 more looking for spots (3 and a 13th fwd spot avail)

i'm not even sure where this other fwd is gonna fit in the mix. homer, bert and ritola will most likely have spots and the wings damn well better sign eaves. there's 13 forwards. i'd like to see ritola get regular shifts and have 3 scoring fwd lines. and bert played good last year and holland wants to resign him. miller was good, but expendable. hopefully draper goes to TB. yzerman should put in a work request for cleary too. that'll clear things up a bit.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:15 PM

I'm not going to be overexcited just because Hudler is coming. And who said that Lebda is gone for sure?

I want to wait and see who Holland signs as that "gritty" player that he talked about. Some new blood wouldn't hurt on the bottom two lines.

They have already said that Lebda and Williams will not be re-signed...

I wonder if Asham played himself out of affordability these playoffs and some team will throw some crazy 2 mil contract at him ala stupid contracts like Neil... if not I would love to see him here for 1-1.5 a year, still a pretty good raise for him and a great 4th line guy who is relatively defensively responsible and can chip in 20-25 pts a year too...

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:26 PM

Not a single person on here can say Hudler will be s***, Abbie will get to 20 gino potential, and oh my goodness Nick was overpaid blah blah blah. Get it out of your systems, its definitely forgotten that we were reffed right out of the playoffs. And yeah, the Sharks sure figured us out and got swept but a round later so they don't scare a whole lot of anyone either. Fact is not a thing can be given a pro or a con until November or even December. Pump the brakes and all the negs in here give it rest cuz with this kind of support I would just rather you guys go ***** and moan on the water cooler. No one is saying its our Cup or no one's next year. But I hardly see us regressing as much as everyone seems to think on here.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:47 PM

This team will be better by virtue of the fact that they couldn't possibly be hit with the injury bug any worse than they were last year. Hudler is a reasonable upgrade from Williams because when you overlook the fact that both are lazy backcheckers, Hudler can actually shoot, score regularly, and run a powerplay, and he isn't a locker room cancer.

Howard will get another year under his belt, though I felt that he played too much last year and would like to see Osgood start 20-25 games if Babcock will let him. :hehe:

Will this team win the President's Trophy? Probably not, but unless you're Washington or San Jose, who has wet dreams about earning that meaningless piece of hardware? They should be neck-and-neck with Chicago for the Central, and probably finish 3rd or 4th in the West with 1st round home ice advantage. :cool:

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:52 PM

What makes you think they have a chance? PROS: Nick is coming back. Brett Lebda isn't. No Olympics. That little guy's back. We get to see some young guys from GR. Flip, Ericsson, and Howard have one more year of experience. CONS: Nick took $6.2 million. No cash for a decent free agent. There's no addition to a losing team, just subtraction. THE WINGS GOT FIGURED OUT BY THE SHARKS, who's next?


You guys dont understand he already took a big paycut, theres something called pride, if ur the best player on ur team u shudnt be paid less then somebody else. Some of you guys wanted him to take 5m, or even 3.5-5, u guys are crazy. Take a look at players who are paid more then him (d-men) then come back cryin because i rather have him then any of those guys.

Its so easy to say take one for the team

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 01:59 PM

So far this offseason is proving to be boring, which doesn't instill me with a lot of excitement about what the team's going to look like when winter rolls along. A winning team yes, but much beyond that is wishful thinking as you never know what six months from now is going to bring. I'm really not worked up one way or another at this point.

I am becoming concerned about the lack of young talent entering the team with the same old faces still hanging around that aren't getting any younger or more talented. I heard grumblings from my father earlier that Maltby is being considered for resigning, (not sure...)and as much as I appreciate what Malts has done in the past for this franchise, I have serious doubts as to what more he can do, along with a host of guys that we've had here for long enough to see what they're going to be able to do. I sincerely hope that there's going to be some emergence of some kind next season, but as I stated before you never know what six months from now will bring.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:02 PM

So far this offseason is proving to be boring, which doesn't instill me with a lot of excitement about what the team's going to look like when winter rolls along. A winning team yes, but much beyond that is wishful thinking as you never know what six months from now is going to bring. I'm really not worked up one way or another at this point.

I am becoming concerned about the lack of young talent entering the team with the same old faces still hanging around that aren't getting any younger or more talented. I heard grumblings from my father earlier that Maltby is being considered for resigning, (not sure...)and as much as I appreciate what Malts has done in the past for this franchise, I have serious doubts as to what more he can do, along with a host of guys that we've had here for long enough to see what they're going to be able to do. I sincerely hope that there's going to be some emergence of some kind next season, but as I stated before you never know what six months from now will bring.


Consider it just grumblings. Maltby will be retiring and if re-signed has noooo place on this team whatsoever. A good summer of rest for these guys and no Olympic break. Fear not.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:03 PM

lack of young talent? you mean like ritola, kindl, helm, abdelkader, ericsson, eaves, etc? with guys like tatar, nyquist, mursak, smith, etc. in the future?

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:22 PM

Yay Hudler. No, I'm not going to argue and no I don't care if you think he sucks.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:48 PM

You mean the goal where they had 6 guys on the ice for 30 seconds?

Go away troll...

I think hes talking about the goal where Hudler went soft to the puck and just kinda floated in there.

A prime example of how Hudler scoring 60 points doesn't mean hes a top 6 player. He's making plays like that against other teams bottom 6, I'd love to see him pull that in a head to head match up with Getzlaf.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:06 PM

Hudler is crap. He'll be the most hated player on this board 3 months into the season.

Kronwall has regressed mightily the last 2 years and it has nothing to do with injuries. He's just plain bad handling the puck.

Miller- 4th line plugger. Maybe 25 points.
Eaves- 3rd line plugger. Hopefully 35-40 points.
Helm- 3rd line checker. Hopefully 45 points and better on faceoffs.
Abdelkader- 4th line wannabee fighter. Hopefully 35 points and not beat up too many tim
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Those last 4 players aren't going to be the guys that get us over the hump this year, the year after or 10 years down the road.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:10 PM

You mean the goal where they had 6 guys on the ice for 30 seconds?

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I think hes talking about the goal where Hudler went soft to the puck and just kinda floated in there.

A prime example of how Hudler scoring 60 points doesn't mean hes a top 6 player. He's making plays like that against other teams bottom 6, I'd love to see him pull that in a head to head match up with Getzlaf.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:15 PM

So far this offseason is proving to be boring, which doesn't instill me with a lot of excitement about what the team's going to look like when winter rolls along. A winning team yes, but much beyond that is wishful thinking as you never know what six months from now is going to bring. I'm really not worked up one way or another at this point.

I am becoming concerned about the lack of young talent entering the team with the same old faces still hanging around that aren't getting any younger or more talented. I heard grumblings from my father earlier that Maltby is being considered for resigning, (not sure...)and as much as I appreciate what Malts has done in the past for this franchise, I have serious doubts as to what more he can do, along with a host of guys that we've had here for long enough to see what they're going to be able to do. I sincerely hope that there's going to be some emergence of some kind next season, but as I stated before you never know what six months from now will bring.


Bolded: it's not really the offseason yet, the Finals are still going on, the draft is not for 3 weeks and free agency signing doesn't start until next month. Holland has done what he can for now, talking to players who are under contract but up for renewal, making qualifying offers, etc. I don't expect much excitement until July 1st, and even then I don't expect much from the Red Wings as Holland has already stated his intentions, re-sign Homer, Bert, some of our RFAs, and add a 3rd/4th line player in the mold of Dallas Drake. Unless Bert walks and we have the money to go after a top 6 guy like Plekanec or Lombardi, I don't anticipate much fireworks.

Underlined: I don't have time to dig up the links, but Maltby and Holland have both been quoted as saying that it's a foregone conclusion that he won't be back next year and if he does play another year it will be elsewhere.

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