Phazon 24 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 some stupid people has said that pronger is better than lidstrom alltime just because he has a good playoffs. I would hate to see the conn smythe go to him. It must go to chicago and toews! 1 redwingsgirlie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I'd rather see Pronger and Philly with the cup then Chicago. Pronger winning a Conn Smythe won't put his career over Lidstrom's anyways. At least not with level headed fans. 11 lookalive07, Osgood the Best, asoras and 8 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I hope Chicago loses because I cannot stand their coach! Have disliked him since he was whining and crying while coach St. Louis... It's just too bad Detroit couldn't have made it to the WCF so we could knock him out of the playoffs yet again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Pronger winning a Conn Smythe won't put his career over Lidstrom's anyways. At least not with level headed fans. So it would be a toss up for you? 1 lookalive07 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings_Fan_In_Exile 3 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 please chicago win the stanley cupI never expected to read that on a Detroit Red Wings fansite. 2 guif_br and GMRwings1983 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) Pronger could win the Smythe, lead in points and s*** solid gold, and he'd never be recognized as being better than Lidstrom, because he's not. Not in any way other than physicality, and that'd may as well be irrelevant with how good Nick is. If Philly wins, I'd give my vote to Briere, Richards, Pronger in that order. People aren't giving nearly enough credit to Timmonen, Coburn and Carle. They've been playing so well that it's a shame people only focus on Pronger. Without those guys Pronger doesn't mean nearly as much as he does. No defenseman by himself can carry an entire defensive unit. Not Nick, not Orr, nobody. Because even if they play a half hour a night, you need competent warm bodies to play the other 30. Just look at Nick this season-Lebda and E gave up a ton of goals. It's not like Nick fell off or anything. It'd be the same with Philly, because if Pronger played 30 minutes, was lights out, and they lost 5-3 because the other 2 d-pairings s*** the bed, no one would talk or care about Pronger's play. Briere has been the guy for Philly. It's been more of a team effort than most teams I've seen this year or any year, but he's stepped up and scored when he's been needed. You don't just need talent, or chemistry or scorers-you need guys who play well at those times that either make or break you. Edited June 3, 2010 by zackmorris 2 55fan and Reds4Life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I don't care either way. Why would anyone care if Pronger won the Conne Smythe or not? 2 T-Ruff and 2guns reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Yeah, can we remove this thread somehow. Please Chicago win? I mean opinions are obviously more than allowed and far be it from me to say otherwise. But these are the things that make me believe the Apocalypse is on its way. 2 55fan and 2guns reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 If Philly wins i dont see how it could go to anyone other than Briere. Even with Pronger i still would rather see Philly win the cup. I wouldn't mind seeing Briere,Gagne,Timmonen and Leino get a ring. There isnt anyone on the Hawks that im like "Hey i would like to see that guy win a Championship" combined with their obnoxious fans....no thanks ill take Philly. 1 T-Ruff reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I am indifferent I suppose about Toews. I think he is just an all around great player and perfect Captain in a mold of dare I say, Stevie. But again he is on s***cago and that amoeba-like fan base doesn't allow anyone to like them so f*** that, Go Flyers 1 Wings_Fan_In_Exile reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest zackmorris Report post Posted June 3, 2010 If Philly wins i dont see how it could go to anyone other than Briere. Even with Pronger i still would rather see Philly win the cup. I wouldn't mind seeing Briere,Gagne,Timmonen and Leino get a ring. There isnt anyone on the Hawks that im like "Hey i would like to see that guy win a Championship" combined with their obnoxious fans....no thanks ill take Philly. Agreed. Least Elbows McAsshole has already won a Cup. I'd like to see Kane, Buttfugglien and a few of those other schmucks go their whole careers without one. Especially Kane. He's really the NHL's most popular and possibly only contribution to the sea of queerboy coward softies this world now seems to produce in abundance. 4 Osgood the Best, 55fan, HankthaTank and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) ^^^Elbows McAsshole= pure win^^^ Philly doesn't have to win for one of their guys to win the Conn Smythe. That said, I'd rather see it in the hands of pretty much anyone but Pronger. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would be pretty icky. Edited June 3, 2010 by 55fan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted June 3, 2010 It'll take Pronger quite a bit more than a Conn Smythe to rival Norris Nick Lidstrom. Curious...How many cups was Pronger wearing a "C" for (he's been a captain, but leading team to victory?)? Times won as "A"? Lidstrom (by far) leads Pronger in career stats, with Pronger having 1 less year in the League. Differences in career stats: 308 Less Games Played (minus 82 to see the difference lost by Pronger's suspensions and injuries during career) 85 Less Goals 300 Less Assists 385 Less Points -256 +/- difference 42 PPG 140 PPA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 (edited) All this Pronger hate, but if he someday became a Detroit Red Wing he would be loved. Remember he hate for Bertuzzi, Chelios, Reindeau, Clark, Ulf Samuelsson? These guys were all hated, yet when they put on the Winged Wheel you all cheered for them. That is why, as much as I love LGW, most of you guys are full of the Red Kool Aid. I particulary would like to see Pronger become a Red Wing, much like Hatcher did. I like players for players, not who they play for, hence the reason I still cannot stand Hudler, McCarty or LaPointe. Not that they weren't good at what they do or did, just don't like them and on LGW if you don't like a Red Wing, you aren't a true fan according to most, and you can go root for another team if you don't like any particular Wings player. God forbid someone say something negative about Yzerman, like in person he is a stuck up prick, I know, I have met him plenty of times, he ranks right up there with Gretzky. I have nothing against his importance to the Wings and now to the Lightning, just in person, he isn't what most of you think. And I am not talking about the Yzerman who is paid to be pleasant when it comes to autograph sessions and the like. God forbid, someone doesn't like Lidstrom either... EDIT: See, some ****** gives me a negative just because I say something that doesn't place anyone who plays for the Wings on a pedestal next to God... Hey ****** bag, you're funny, you think Yzerman cares for you? Now you're really delusional! Edited June 3, 2010 by LeftWinger 3 Mitchmac33, Tr!PoD#19 and Osgood the Best reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cusimano_brothers 1,655 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Chicago should try to win it for "The Rally Monkey": Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Consider this s*** officially jinxed 2 55fan and guif_br reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 All this Pronger hate, but if he someday became a Detroit Red Wing he would be loved. I have been watching Pronger play for many years and I feel pretty comfortable representing the majority of Red Wings fans when I say I never want to see that gap tooth piece of s*** wearing the whinged wheel. 3 mjlegend, redwingsgirlie and vladdy16 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I particulary would like to see Pronger become a Red Wing, much like Hatcher did EDIT: See, some ****** gives me a negative just because I say something that doesn't place anyone who plays for the Wings on a pedestal next to God... Hey ****** bag, you're funny, you think Yzerman cares for you? Now you're really delusional! Yeah man sorry but he sucked here so, pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carman 387 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Yeah man sorry but he sucked here so, pass. He was injured. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Yeah man sorry but he sucked here so, pass. He sucked here because he injured himself a few games into the season, then wasn't 100% percent when he came back, then because of Buttman he had to get bought out of his contract, so could never return to form in Detroit. He did have decent seasons in Philly before he retired... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 He was injured. Shame on me for the instant replyary but again, see above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I'd rather see Pronger and Philly with the cup then Chicago. Pronger winning a Conn Smythe won't put his career over Lidstrom's anyways. At least not with level headed fans. Agreed completely. I would rather see Pronger win the Conn Smythe - he isn't in Lidstrom's class no matter what anyways. There is nothing I want to see less than the Chicago Blackhawks winning the Stanley Cup. I hate that franchise and their fans. 1 Wings_Fan_In_Exile reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,959 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I have been watching Pronger play for many years and I feel pretty comfortable representing the majority of Red Wings fans when I say I never want to see that gap tooth piece of s*** wearing the whinged wheel. and how long did you watch Chelios before he became a Wing. How many folks hated Vladdy around the league, but would've loved him on their team at one point in his career he was considered the dirtiest player in the league. Maybe you personally wouldn't want him (just like I try to defend myself for not liking Hudler just because he is a Red Wing) but the majority of fans would like him here. Just like they all cheered for Chelios and even when we signed Hatcher and traded for Clark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Green Wing 26 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 I'd much rather Philly win it. Chicago have a crazy amount of salaries at their disposal - this is the one year where they basically HAVE to win it, so it would be all the more sweeter if they fail. (Still think Chicago will win it in 6 though) And I can't really explain why, but I hate Pronger much less now than I have in the past. Weird. Go Flyers. 2 Original-Six and Wings_Fan_In_Exile reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadaBoy 151 Report post Posted June 3, 2010 Pronger Conn Smythe > Quenneville Stanley Cup 3 Original-Six, HankthaTank and LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites