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#41 CaliWingsNut

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 02:55 PM

Let him retire.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:01 PM

I hate to exploit Bertuzzi's comments. But if the guy is saying he'll play with us or retire, I say give him league minimum. Not to say he's only worth league minimum, but if he accepted a dirt cheap contract that would obviously help the team out immensely. And if he's going to retire anyway, why not accept a cheap deal?

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:14 PM

Oh, and weren't the last like 3 years supposed to be "step-up seasons" for Filppula and Cleary? ;)


3 years ago was Filppula's second season as a Wing.

Filppula HAS stepped it up, each of the last 2 seasons. In 08-09 he was delegated to the third line and got zero power play time. He was 76th in the league in even strength scoring on that third line. That's more than Kane had, with 150 less minutes.

In 09-10 he was out for a third of the season and played with fourth liners for a while after he got back from his injury but still managed to have a career year in points per game and had 28 points in 33 games.

In short, you're an idiot.




As for Bertuzzi, if Holland isn't going to sign anyone else anyway, we may as well sign him again.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:19 PM

I hate to exploit Bertuzzi's comments. But if the guy is saying he'll play with us or retire, I say give him league minimum. Not to say he's only worth league minimum, but if he accepted a dirt cheap contract that would obviously help the team out immensely. And if he's going to retire anyway, why not accept a cheap deal?


Right but Kenny would never do that. He likes to pay his players fairly according to their market value. It's a good way to conduct business.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:21 PM

Right but Kenny would never do that. He likes to pay his players fairly according to their market value. It's a good way to conduct business.

He need to do that now or they won't be able to put a top team on the ice come october...if bertuzzi wants to play for the same or more than 1.5M it will hurt the team alot..

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:22 PM

Right but Kenny would never do that. He likes to pay his players fairly according to their market value. It's a good way to conduct business.


I think giving Bertuzzi money period is a good thing in his mind.

Either 1 mil or 0 mil next season. What do you think Bert is going to take?

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:34 PM

He must not be looking for much cash if he's gonna hang them up. We should be able to get a bargain. Unless of course he's gonna play it childsih with the whole "that's not enough money for me, I'm not playing anymore" game, which would be really lame.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:39 PM

I think giving Bertuzzi money period is a good thing in his mind.

Either 1 mil or 0 mil next season. What do you think Bert is going to take?


Kenny won't low ball him, imo. He's a businessman but he does treat his players well. It's a requirement for having the title of "First Class organization." My thinking is that Kenny will make him a fair offer based on his age, health, production, etc. and Bert will just take it if he wants to play. Then you're gonna have a lot of upset people on LGW who think he got too much especially those who can't stop bringing up his past.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:44 PM

Hey man, gotta admire the dedication and loyalty on Bertuzzi's part. The guy doesn't want to go anywhere else. Sign him Kenny, and just add in bold print to the contract that he has to listen to an audio self-help tape called "Two hands Are Better Than One".

In other news, how in God's name is Alligator due for a raise? The guy led (and still does) the playoffs in penalty minutes, is a minus player, and contributed a measly 6 points. I never understood the love for this guy. Oh, I'm sorry, he "sometimes tries to hit things". We might as well have kept Downey then and gave him a raise....at least Downey freakin fought. Man o man I scratch my head at this stuff sometimes. Also, we're keeping Miller? Is that really necessary? Didn't see him in the Wings future to be honest. Would have rather dipped a bit into the free agent market. A raise for Speedy Gonzalez and Eaves is understandable though. Oh, and weren't the last like 3 years supposed to be "step-up seasons" for Filppula and Cleary? ;)

I think we all know he's a kid who is one of those "retire a Wing" type of guys, and maybe down the road when he's due to receive more money than we can afford, he'll take a slight cut, knowing we were generous when he was young and learning.

It's a long shot but hey, I wouldn't put it past Holland. Or maybe instead of trying to keep him at this amount for a short term deal, and having him earn a big amount once that deal is up, maybe Holland is going to try to tie him up for a few extra years and get some value out of him when he starts to play better. Who knows, I'm sure he has his reasons.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 04:28 PM

For those who are trying to figure out Bertuzzi's potential contract...

Holland has signed Lidstrom and Holmstrom, and has stated he will make qualifying offers to all of his RFAs, all before turning his attention to Bertuzzi.

This means our roster could potentially look like this when negotiations with Bertuzzi begin:

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($?.???m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.550m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.893m) / Darren Helm ($0.659m) / Drew Miller ($0.578m)
Kris Draper ($1.583m)
Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Derek Meech ($0.532m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)
Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m/$58.8m; PAYROLL: $55.467m; CAP ROOM: $1.333m/$3.333m

So Bertuzzi's contract could be anywhere from $1m to $3m depending on the cap and RFA negotiations. Not unrealistic that he could be kept, but what role would he have? In the lines I listed above, I put together three strong scoring lines. However, two minor changes (Hudler and Franzen for Filppula and Bertuzzi) shift Bertuzzi to a role on a checking third line with a clear secondary scoring role, rather than a line that would be relied on for primary scoring.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 04:47 PM

Id rather have Bertuzzi then Miller, Abdelkader i thought would get a small raise and Helm for sure deserves one.There is nothing Miller does that Ritola cant in my opinion so why not just save the money from Miller.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Hudler-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Cleary-Filppula-Ritola
Eaves/UFA-Abdelkader-Helm
Draper

Stuart-Rafalski
Kronwall-Lidstrom
UFA-Ericcson
Kindl

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 04:52 PM

Id rather have Bertuzzi then Miller, Abdelkader i thought would get a small raise and Helm for sure deserves one.There is nothing Miller does that Ritola cant in my opinion so why not just save the money from Miller.

Franzen-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Hudler-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Cleary-Filppula-Ritola
Eaves/UFA-Abdelkader-Helm
Draper

Stuart-Rafalski
Kronwall-Lidstrom
UFA-Ericcson
Kindl

Miller is likely a cheap PK option, as we just went through a season that (should've) taught us exactly what can happen when your penalty killers aren't tip top. I doubt they'd be comfortable enough to toss Ritola into a PK role that early.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 05:06 PM

Miller is likely a cheap PK option, as we just went through a season that (should've) taught us exactly what can happen when your penalty killers aren't tip top. I doubt they'd be comfortable enough to toss Ritola into a PK role that early.



true but if Eaves stays we could run

PK1

Zetterberg-Cleary

PK2

Eaves/Abdelkader-Helm

Abby is a good shot blocker if he could learn to close out lanes that wouldnt be to bad

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 07:15 PM

anyone who is saying filppula hasnt stepped up is clueless. he has become more productive each year and would have easily had his best season this year if it were not for his injury.
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 08:26 PM

So Bertuzzi's contract could be anywhere from $1m to $3m depending on the cap and RFA negotiations. Not unrealistic that he could be kept, but what role would he have? In the lines I listed above, I put together three strong scoring lines. However, two minor changes (Hudler and Franzen for Filppula and Bertuzzi) shift Bertuzzi to a role on a checking third line with a clear secondary scoring role, rather than a line that would be relied on for primary scoring.[/font]


He'd be playing with Cleary and perhaps Helm. That line could score.

anyone who is saying filppula hasnt stepped up is clueless. he has become more productive each year and would have easily had his best season this year if it were not for his injury.


The guy also said that Cleary hasn't yet "stepped up", and so I really wouldn't put much stock into his baseless ramblings.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:11 PM

He'd be playing with Cleary and perhaps Helm. That line could score.



The guy also said that Cleary hasn't yet "stepped up", and so I really wouldn't put much stock into his baseless ramblings.


I think we can agree next season will be the true test to see if Fippula can really shine a whole season, provided he stays healthy. Even I'll admit, he did seem to catch fire toward the end of the season there. But lets also not forget the many facepalm moments we've had over the years (including last season) when Fippula would miss an empty netter. In short though, we'll see.

For all you guys saying that Cleary isn't that bad.....you're right, he's "okay". However being just "okay" does not justify a 3 million dollar salary, especially in the cap world. Numbers are slipping, he's becoming more and more weak with the puck, constantly loses battles, and is it just me or does it seem like the guy falls down more than Gerald Ford on a bad day?


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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:18 PM

Sign him. For 1.25 if possible. Thanks for the dedication Bert

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:28 PM

Right but Kenny would never do that. He likes to pay his players fairly according to their market value. It's a good way to conduct business.

True, in business you may piss off someone by offering them something so low, you can never take the risk.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:29 PM

For all you guys saying that Cleary isn't that bad.....you're right, he's "okay". However being just "okay" does not justify a 3 million dollar salary, especially in the cap world. Numbers are slipping, he's becoming more and more weak with the puck, constantly loses battles, and is it just me or does it seem like the guy falls down more than Gerald Ford on a bad day?
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Cleary was also extremely injured last year and had surgery on both his knees when the season ended, that probably explains the falling down. Hopefully he gets healthy in the offseason and can play like he did in the playoffs a couple years ago all next season.
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:33 PM

Cleary was also extremely injured last year and had surgery on both his knees when the season ended, that probably explains the falling down. Hopefully he gets healthy in the offseason and can play like he did in the playoffs a couple years ago all next season.


We don't really expect this kind of production do we?





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