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lol 2003 was by far the best draftyear in the history of the nhl (well 1979 was pretty darn good too) 2010 is a very bad year while 2008, 2009 were pretty good too.

Too ******* bad detroit didn't have a 1st round pick that year, wonder wtf happend, was it dealt in the schneider deal or something? almost every player in the 1st round of 2003 became and impact player on their team or atleast a good player...

Ya, If the Wings would've had a first round pick they could've drafted Shea Weber, Corey Perry or Patrice Bergeron, but they probably would've have taken a small skilled player that would still be in the minors and or went back to Europe by now. Of course they may have taken Howard still, just a round earlier.

On a side note, if Anaheim gets McIlrath like this guy mocks up, I will absolutely develop an ulcer and probably keel over and die! (which would be good news to some of you guys here, eh? :lol:)

I know the draft is a crap shoot, and Detroit isn't the only team to miss these guys, but here's an exaple of what Holland looks for instead of what he "SAYS" we need:

2003 Draft. Positrion #194 Detroit drafts Stefan Blom, #205 San Jose drafts Joe Pavelski, #226 Detroit drafts Tomas Kollar, #245 Chicago drafts Dustin Byfuglien. But, like I said, they weren't the only ones to pass on these guys, I just wish Holland wasn't so small skilled minded when it comes to actually drafting someone. Every year, he says when need to draft size and grit, same as July 1st, we need to get bigger and stronger. Then he drafts Tomas Kollar when Dustin Byfuglien is sitting there. Oh well! I guess by time the 7th and 8th round comes around you are just drawing straws as to who is left...

I still hope they trade UP to get McIlrath, dunno who we'd trade though, except for a prospect.

Nah hes probably to busy raiding harmless ships

BINGO! Score one for the USS Liberty! Mistake my ASS!

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Ya, If the Wings would've had a first round pick they could've drafted Shea Weber, Corey Perry or Patrice Bergeron, but they probably would've have taken a small skilled player that would still be in the minors and or went back to Europe by now. Of course they may have taken Howard still, just a round earlier.

On a side note, if Anaheim gets McIlrath like this guy mocks up, I will absolutely develop an ulcer and probably keel over and die! (which would be good news to some of you guys here, eh? :lol:)

I know the draft is a crap shoot, and Detroit isn't the only team to miss these guys, but here's an exaple of what Holland looks for instead of what he "SAYS" we need:

2003 Draft. Positrion #194 Detroit drafts Stefan Blom, #205 San Jose drafts Joe Pavelski, #226 Detroit drafts Tomas Kollar, #245 Chicago drafts Dustin Byfuglien. But, like I said, they weren't the only ones to pass on these guys, I just wish Holland wasn't so small skilled minded when it comes to actually drafting someone. Every year, he says when need to draft size and grit, same as July 1st, we need to get bigger and stronger. Then he drafts Tomas Kollar when Dustin Byfuglien is sitting there. Oh well! I guess by time the 7th and 8th round comes around you are just drawing straws as to who is left...

I still hope they trade UP to get McIlrath, dunno who we'd trade though, except for a prospect.

BINGO! Score one for the USS Liberty! Mistake my ASS!

If we don't trade up for Mcilrath I sure hope we draft either Petrovic to make up for that tough stay at home guy we need or get Brad Ross. He could be a very good player down the road and is tough as nails. Kinda like a better version of Callahan from what I've read.

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I believe it works like this:

SC winner = 30

Runner-up = 29

Conference runners-up = 27 & 28

Then any remaining division winners take the next 2-6 picks

After that, it goes in order by points, with the lottery winner moving up 4 spots max.

Wings had the 7th most points, putting them in the 24th spot. But Philly, Montreal (conference finalists), and Buffalo (division winner) all move behind us, putting us in 21st.

This is exactly it, because last season Pittsburgh had the 30th and the last pick in every other round and Detroit had the second from last, of course they traded the 29th to Tampa to move down, but ya, this is correct and that should land us at 21.

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If we don't trade up for Mcilrath I sure hope we draft either Petrovic to make up for that tough stay at home guy we need or get Brad Ross. He could be a very good player down the road and is tough as nails. Kinda like a better version of Callahan from what I've read.

Ya, I just haven't seen Holland do that kind of stuff (trade UP) but one can hope. This guy can and will be in the Big Leagues well before he is out of minor league options, unfortunately that is also not the kind of player Holland drafts. The last guy to come right from the draft to Detroit was Primeau, but he went down to Adirondack the next year for over 40 gmaes before coming back up here. Even the great Nick Lidstrom was drafted in 1989 didn't come over until 1991 after two more seasons in Sweden (but that may have been a contractual reason) so really, the last guy to be drafted and be on the team for good the next season was Steve Yzerman, so not really been a Wigs tradition unless it was a top pick (like Primeau.) Looking at Holland's picks, even Datsyuk and Zetterberg took a couple of years to get here after they were drafted. So it's really not his M.O. to draft a player that will make the club that same year (unless he gets a #1 thru #10 and lets hope we don't suck that bad no time too soon!)

Well, after all that gibberish, I certainly hope we can get Dylan, he could be the next guy to be here before his options are up. I believe he is that good of player. Odds are, if he goes to Anaheim, he will be in their lineup from day one, especially if Little Neddy Neiderlender (that naughty naughty boy, you're so bad, you bad bad boy!) retires. Not that he could fill Neddy's skates off the bat, but he is good enough to crack their top 6 for sure! I believe he is better than Kindl and Ericsson, so there us no reason why he couldn't come in a play here, but Holland has his seniority list that he like to follow...

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Ya, If the Wings would've had a first round pick they could've drafted Shea Weber, Corey Perry or Patrice Bergeron, but they probably would've have taken a small skilled player that would still be in the minors and or went back to Europe by now. Of course they may have taken Howard still, just a round earlier.

On a side note, if Anaheim gets McIlrath like this guy mocks up, I will absolutely develop an ulcer and probably keel over and die! (which would be good news to some of you guys here, eh? :lol:)

I know the draft is a crap shoot, and Detroit isn't the only team to miss these guys, but here's an exaple of what Holland looks for instead of what he "SAYS" we need:

2003 Draft. Positrion #194 Detroit drafts Stefan Blom, #205 San Jose drafts Joe Pavelski, #226 Detroit drafts Tomas Kollar, #245 Chicago drafts Dustin Byfuglien. But, like I said, they weren't the only ones to pass on these guys, I just wish Holland wasn't so small skilled minded when it comes to actually drafting someone. Every year, he says when need to draft size and grit, same as July 1st, we need to get bigger and stronger. Then he drafts Tomas Kollar when Dustin Byfuglien is sitting there. Oh well! I guess by time the 7th and 8th round comes around you are just drawing straws as to who is left...

Do you even have any idea who those people are?

You say we shouldn't draft small, skilled players, then say we made a mistake passing up Pavelski...a small (medium anyway), skilled player.

For the record, Blom is similar size and Kollar is bigger (though not borderline obese like Buffy).

I know you're a staunch Euro hater, but to pick out a couple late round picks that happened to be successful for other teams is a retarded stretch. Completely ignoring the other hundred or so players that would fit your mold who also never made it to the NHL.

Man, if only we'd picked Vince Malts and Chris Hartsburg instead of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

We've had a lot of success in Pav, Hank, Fischer, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Helm, Abdelkader, Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard, and now we should see Ritola and Kindl. Kopecky, Fleischman, Meech, and Quincey were also drafted by Holland. We also have a few decent prospects still in the system.

But you want to cry that we don't hit home runs with every 4th round and later pick. You realize that on average only about 12% of players picked in the third round or later play more than a few NHL games. 25% or so for the 2nd round, 65% for the first round. The Wings have had 8 (possibly 9) out of 63 3rd round or later picks from 1998-2006 become regular NHLers. 5 of the 11 2nd rounders have made it (and 4 of those 11 were picked later than 60th, so really 3rd rounders), 1 of 3 1st rounders (with Kindl now a second possiblilty).

That's a pretty good record.

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Do you even have any idea who those people are?

You say we shouldn't draft small, skilled players, then say we made a mistake passing up Pavelski...a small (medium anyway), skilled player.

For the record, Blom is similar size and Kollar is bigger (though not borderline obese like Buffy).

I know you're a staunch Euro hater, but to pick out a couple late round picks that happened to be successful for other teams is a retarded stretch. Completely ignoring the other hundred or so players that would fit your mold who also never made it to the NHL.

Man, if only we'd picked Vince Malts and Chris Hartsburg instead of Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

We've had a lot of success in Pav, Hank, Fischer, Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Helm, Abdelkader, Kronwall, Ericsson, Howard, and now we should see Ritola and Kindl. Kopecky, Fleischman, Meech, and Quincey were also drafted by Holland. We also have a few decent prospects still in the system.

But you want to cry that we don't hit home runs with every 4th round and later pick. You realize that on average only about 12% of players picked in the third round or later play more than a few NHL games. 25% or so for the 2nd round, 65% for the first round. The Wings have had 8 (possibly 9) out of 63 3rd round or later picks from 1998-2006 become regular NHLers. 5 of the 11 2nd rounders have made it (and 4 of those 11 were picked later than 60th, so really 3rd rounders), 1 of 3 1st rounders (with Kindl now a second possiblilty).

That's a pretty good record.

:blink: Hmmmm, I thought I explained it well enough for even the simple minds to understand. I KNOW THE DRAFT IS A CRAP SHOOT AND YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH DRAWING STRAWS BY TIME THE 7TH AND 8TH ROUNDS GET HERE, ALSO THE WINGS WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES TO PASS THESE GUYS UP. I simply said it would be nice to have taken a chance on one or a few of those guys instead of just drafting what we always draft. And as for being a Euro hater, you couldn't be more wrong considering my favorite player of all time is Sergei Fedorov (and no I didn't become a fan after he was here, been a fan of the Wings for over 30 years.) if you don't believe me, just go research some of my post on trade day 2008, when we almost got Fedorov back, but someone didn't want him in the organization again...

I realize you consider yourself pretty knowledgeable, but I am just so used to hearing Holland say "bigger and faster and grittier" every draft ad every July 1st, only to come up with Jiri Hudler, Yuri Butsayev and the like, then pass up on people who contacts Holland first (Manny Malhotra) but decide to sign Jason Williams instead for the same money, ya I get a little angry, but hey, I am not Holland, I just wish he wouldn't say we need this and then go out and get that.

I am glad Datsyuk and Zetterberg have worked out, ya and a lot of his late round picks, but one can wish that he would gamble on that big, gritty guy once in a while cant I? Seems to me Byfuglien is doing pretty well for himself for being obese, much better than Blom or Collar. But like I said before, its a roll of the dice, how many teams in the first 6 rounds wish they had drafted Pavelski? Exactly, they were just examples of Holland only looking at a certain type of player, yet all the time saying we need a different type of player. Hell, I hope Emmerton works out, as well as Tartar. So, keep your racial implications to yourself, and if you think the USS Liberty wasn't on purpose, then talk to someone who was there...

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I just think its kinda obvious what the Wings need to do with the picks they have this season. Pretty much draft what we are looking for now in the off-season, more D, gritty tough forward(s),and a couple skill guys

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I could be wrong but I think the draft picks are done according to the regualr season NOT the playoffs.

Who sucks what, are you talking about lollipops, popsicles, or what?! Try using explanatory English rather than gutter language!

A few years back Holland proposed a rule change to weight the picks by post-season performance. It was approved and I believe the rule's been in place since the 06-07 season.

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:blink: Hmmmm, I thought I explained it well enough for even the simple minds to understand. I KNOW THE DRAFT IS A CRAP SHOOT AND YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH DRAWING STRAWS BY TIME THE 7TH AND 8TH ROUNDS GET HERE, ALSO THE WINGS WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES TO PASS THESE GUYS UP. I simply said it would be nice to have taken a chance on one or a few of those guys instead of just drafting what we always draft. And as for being a Euro hater, you couldn't be more wrong considering my favorite player of all time is Sergei Fedorov (and no I didn't become a fan after he was here, been a fan of the Wings for over 30 years.) if you don't believe me, just go research some of my post on trade day 2008, when we almost got Fedorov back, but someone didn't want him in the organization again...

I realize you consider yourself pretty knowledgeable, but I am just so used to hearing Holland say "bigger and faster and grittier" every draft ad every July 1st, only to come up with Jiri Hudler, Yuri Butsayev and the like, then pass up on people who contacts Holland first (Manny Malhotra) but decide to sign Jason Williams instead for the same money, ya I get a little angry, but hey, I am not Holland, I just wish he wouldn't say we need this and then go out and get that.

I am glad Datsyuk and Zetterberg have worked out, ya and a lot of his late round picks, but one can wish that he would gamble on that big, gritty guy once in a while cant I? Seems to me Byfuglien is doing pretty well for himself for being obese, much better than Blom or Collar. But like I said before, its a roll of the dice, how many teams in the first 6 rounds wish they had drafted Pavelski? Exactly, they were just examples of Holland only looking at a certain type of player, yet all the time saying we need a different type of player. Hell, I hope Emmerton works out, as well as Tartar. So, keep your racial implications to yourself, and if you think the USS Liberty wasn't on purpose, then talk to someone who was there...

First, I'll apologize if I'm wrong about the Euro-hate. Seems every post of yours lately speaks critically of Holland targeting 'small, skilled Euros'. I'm sure you can understand how that can be miscontrued.

But Holland does not target 'small' players. He targets skilled players. More specifically, skilled two-way players. Big or small doesn't much matter. The main reason many of them are smaller is because that's all that's usually left in the later rounds. Guys like Franzen, Kopy, Ericsson, Kindl, etc. are all on the big side. Nor does Holland really target Euros. Just with the strength of our European scouts and our typical position in the draft, he feels we'll be more successful with those picks. And it's hard to argue with our track record. Also, Pavelski is exactly the type of player that Holland does typically target. Just one that we happened to miss out on. Since he doesn't fit your argument, it really just looks like you're cherry-picking to fuel some anti-Euro agenda. Maybe that's not what you meant, but that's how it comes off to me.

Furthermore, I think you're confusing Holland saying he wants to add some grit and/or size with a desire to add all grit and/or size. And also cherry-picking again to overlook cases where he has picked up gritty players.

Bertuzzi and May this year. Abdelkader, Stuart, Downey, Drake (not big, but gritty), Shawn Matthias, Nick Oslund, Julien Cuyer, Brian Lashoff, Landon Ferraro (like Drake, not very big, but fiesty). I'm sure there's more.

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I could be wrong but I think the draft picks are done according to the regualr season NOT the playoffs.

Who sucks what, are you talking about lollipops, popsicles, or what?! Try using explanatory English rather than gutter language!

If sucks bothers you, you need to find a different place to spend your time cuz the F bomb gets dropped a lot here, plus some pretty nasty s*** on occasion.:blush:

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