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#21 Hockey God

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 11:38 PM

haha cant wait

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:03 AM

But they will have to compete with other teams offers, so Chicago should be able to get some decent return. It is their cap issues that they have to address, so they cannot trade for anyone with any sort of cap hit. Chicago is seriously handcuffed by the cap if they do not move Huet or Campbell.


Both Campbell and Huet are big, hard-to-move contracts...

But the fact is, those players can be waived and sent to the minors and have their hit disappear from the Hawks' cap. They did it with Khabibulin, remember?

If Hawks management realizes this fact, then they aren't so handcuffed.

They are also dropping $5m in Kim Johnsson's removal from the roster.

By sending down Huet and Campbell until they can move them, they can keep all of their young forwards if they are able to get reasonable deals on their RFAs and either promote prospects or can sign cheap UFAs to fill remaining slots on defense. Losing Campbell from the top four for Sopel, a mediocre rookie, or a cheap vet would probably be a downgrade. Sending Huet down and slotting Crawford or Toivonen in the backup spot also is probably a downgrade. But those two moves keep Sharp, Versteeg, Bolland, and Ladd on the roster.


But they will have to compete with other teams offers, so Chicago should be able to get some decent return. It is their cap issues that they have to address, so they cannot trade for anyone with any sort of cap hit. Chicago is seriously handcuffed by the cap if they do not move Huet or Campbell.


Both Campbell and Huet are big, hard-to-move contracts...

But the fact is, those players can be waived and sent to the minors and have their hit disappear from the Hawks' cap. They did it with Khabibulin, remember?

If Hawks management realizes this fact, then they aren't so handcuffed.

They are also dropping $5m in Kim Johnsson's removal from the roster.

By sending down Huet and Campbell until they can move them, they can keep all of their young forwards if they are able to get reasonable deals on their RFAs and either promote prospects or can sign cheap UFAs to fill remaining slots on defense. Losing Campbell from the top four for Sopel, a mediocre rookie, or a cheap vet would probably be a downgrade. Sending Huet down and slotting Crawford or Toivonen in the backup spot also is probably a downgrade. But those two moves keep Sharp, Versteeg, Bolland, and Ladd on the roster.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:18 AM

Can the Red Wings steal away Patrick Sharp? Pleeeeease?

You want a replacement and upgrade over Sammy, there you have it.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:18 AM

I'd really, really like to see us add byfuglien. that'd give us a nice third line grind line again.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:30 AM

Will they be willing to send Huet down to the minors and pay him his $5 million? they will be raking in a lot of cash with the extra merchandise with the cup win and they'll be selling out their arena next season. i think so

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:34 AM

How the hell do you solve this? They will only have about $400,000 space. This assumes the cap is $58 million.

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That's just insane - they're already at $57.5M with only 14 players...
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:53 AM

I'd take Versteeg or Hjmarlsson in a heartbeat.



You're completely right, those 3 goals in 22 games were what really what put Chicago over the edge.


Philly victimized Hjmarlsson a few times in the finals but you can't beat all those blocks he made...

That's just insane - they're already at $57.5M with only 14 players...


Hilarious, eh? Dale Tallon's got one summer to hear praises sung about his managment skills. Then the hammer will fall in Chicago and his team will dissolve under the weight of Huet and Campbell's brutal contacts. Hossa's contract was foolish too, but at least it wasn't an overpayment (on a per year basis).
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:16 AM

s***, I thought this thread was going to be about burning down the UC and looting their s***! My bad.

I like Versteeg and Sharp. I liked Havlat last year too, but he was caught sleeping in the WCF. :o
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:25 AM

Philly victimized Hjmarlsson a few times in the finals but you can't beat all those blocks he made...



Hilarious, eh? Dale Tallon's got one summer to hear praises sung about his managment skills. Then the hammer will fall in Chicago and his team will dissolve under the weight of Huet and Campbell's brutal contacts. Hossa's contract was foolish too, but at least it wasn't an overpayment (on a per year basis).


Tallon built a championship roster and was removed from the GM position after completely putting the Stanley Cup champions together. He was demoted to "senior advisor" in favor of Stan Bowman taking the GM position. The worst part is that he isn't even with the organization anymore. It's like if Kenny traded Kronwall for another defenseman, and that defenseman was horrible in Detroit, so Kenny was placed in a "advisor" position and Nill was named GM, and then Kenny left to be GM of another team while the Wings won the Cup without making any other moves. Would be pretty unfair to Kenny.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:30 AM

Anyway we could swing a 3way deal with the Hawks and some team and flip Fil for Bolland? Not too much more expensive. Probably never ever gonna happen but i'd love to have that guy on the Wings.


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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:31 AM

Tallon built a championship roster and was removed from the GM position after completely putting the Stanley Cup champions together. He was demoted to "senior advisor" in favor of Stan Bowman taking the GM position. The worst part is that he isn't even with the organization anymore. It's like if Kenny traded Kronwall for another defenseman, and that defenseman was horrible in Detroit, so Kenny was placed in a "advisor" position and Nill was named GM, and then Kenny left to be GM of another team while the Wings won the Cup without making any other moves. Would be pretty unfair to Kenny.

There has been a lot of talk in recent weeks on xm radio about Tallon and McDonough, and how Wirtz, if he was a classy guy. Basically stating these guys deserve rings as well, if the Hawks were to win. Now I am actually curious to see if it happens. Not holding my breath though.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:34 AM

Tallon built a championship roster and was removed from the GM position after completely putting the Stanley Cup champions together. He was demoted to "senior advisor" in favor of Stan Bowman taking the GM position. The worst part is that he isn't even with the organization anymore. It's like if Kenny traded Kronwall for another defenseman, and that defenseman was horrible in Detroit, so Kenny was placed in a "advisor" position and Nill was named GM, and then Kenny left to be GM of another team while the Wings won the Cup without making any other moves. Would be pretty unfair to Kenny.


Like I said-- Tallon will get credit for the Hawks win. But make no mistake-- he was far from perfect. I have to laugh when people say Kane and Toews were great drafts by Tallon. Picking the 1st and 2nd overall players is the easiest thing in the damn world. I could have picked those two players by just looking at the unanimous choices made by every single scouting agency on those two picks.

Ladd and Sharp stand out as really smart moves he made. Keith was developed really well too-- they weren't afraid to let him develop in the AHL which definitely served him in the long run.

But this terrible cap crunch Chicago is in was created by Tallon when he signed Huet and Campbell to laughable contracts even though his team was fine as it was and needed to think about retaining their young talent. Huet is easily one of the worst goaltending signings in recent history and he contributed nothing to their Cup win while collecting $5,000,000 to chart face-offs. Campbell is untradeable because he makes Lidstrom money to turn the puck over and plan spin-o-ramas that do nothing but infuriate people.

Of course we could also mention a certain coach who was made to look like a moron in Philly by a superior bench boss.

Tallon deserves credit but he deserves his share of scorn as well.

That being said I certainly hope s***cago has the class to mail Tallon a ring because he does deserve it.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 03:07 AM

Tallon deserves credit but he deserves his share of scorn as well.

That being said I certainly hope s***cago has the class to mail Tallon a ring because he does deserve it.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 06:47 AM

I have always wanted to see Patrick Sharp in a Wings jersey. I was hoping this would be more of an option but it looks like they are willing to roll with the same team they had last year.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:44 AM

they traded a cup season for another 5-10 years in the basement... actually not a bad trade off when you think about how long and hard teams try for a cup in the first place...

All and all though, there should be a LOT of movement there this off season...

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 09:58 AM

they traded a cup season for another 5-10 years in the basement... actually not a bad trade off when you think about how long and hard teams try for a cup in the first place...

All and all though, there should be a LOT of movement there this off season...

I wouldn't say they'll be in the basement. They definitely won't have the chops on depth to become a dynasty or likely win the conference again for the next few years, but they'll still be competitive in the regular season.

As we all know, 3rd and 4th lines are crucial to postseason success and Chicago will be stuck with two mediocre AHL-quality lines. It's not gonna be pretty in Chicago come April 2011.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:11 AM

How the hell do you solve this? They will only have about $400,000 space. This assumes the cap is $58 million.

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They're either going to be trading guys for picks & prospects or getting compensation via offer sheet.

They'll lose some good pieces, but they'll keep the farm system strong.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:14 AM

I wouldn't say they'll be in the basement. They definitely won't have the chops on depth to become a dynasty or likely win the conference again for the next few years, but they'll still be competitive in the regular season.

As we all know, 3rd and 4th lines are crucial to postseason success and Chicago will be stuck with two mediocre AHL-quality lines. It's not gonna be pretty in Chicago come April 2011.

I agree. The core is too good for Chicago to be cellar-dwellers the next few years. However, with this Cup win, I for one don't want to hear a peep out of a single Chicago fan about how the Wings bought Cups.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:30 AM

It's hard to imagine Chicago won't get stiffed on those trades-- they have zero leverage. Everyone knows their hands are tied. And now all of the players have their Cups and are focused on nailing down their financial security for the foreseeable future.



I see a lot of wishful thinking on the part of bitter Wings fans here.

And I doubt the Hawks are going to get fleeced on trades.

First, there are 29 other teams and surely a number of them are going to want players of Versteeg and Sharp's level. Assuming of course those are the guys on the move. You're forgetting that those 29 teams, or whomever is in competition for those players is going to have to ante up something in order to beat the other guy's deal. So it's not just a case of Chicago trading to another team for scraps. It's Chicago weighing offers from multiple teams where each of those teams is competing with one another to acquire the players they want. It might not be the best scenario for Chicago since they're up against it cap-wise, but I don't imagine they'll get stiffed.

Second, they have a lot of pieces already locked up and these pieces are good. Even if you subtract 2 players from this list, or even 3 players, it's a nice core group of talent. Remember, these guys are ALREADY SIGNED. No losing them via RFA offer sheets. I don't see anybody making offers for Ladd, Hjarmalsson or Hendry. Those guys are re-signable.

Kane
Toews
Hossa
Sharp
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Versteeg
Brouwer
Kopecky
Sopel
Campbell
Keith
Seabrook

Niemi might cause them a pretty big problem in arbitration but who is to say how that's going to come out.

It's clear they are going to have to trade away a couple of good players. But they should get decent return. They may even have to bring up guys like Skille and Aliu. Oh well, that's what farm systems are for.

I'll gladly come back here and eat crow if the Hawks get dismantled. I just don't see it. They can make a couple of trades, re-sign some low salary role players and still have some of the best talent in the league.

Any team that has

Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook and Campbell on it just for starters is going to be a pretty good team.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 10:34 AM

Yeah Chicago will still unfortunately have a better core than detroit (especially if you considering the age factor etc)





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