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Toews: Most undeserving Conn Smyth winner in history?

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Would the 'hawks won with Huet between the pipes? I don't fkin think so... Not sure what to think of Toews winning it, indifferent i guess.

Would the 'Hawks have won with Colin Fraser taking all their important draws and centering the top line? I don't think so.

Comparing a player to a below average counterpart does not increase said player's value.

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I'd have given to Niemi

WHAT??? blink.gif I know this is somewhat of a joke. Niemi gets it, then we can talk about most undeserving. Made like 2 good saves the whole series. And is for sure not the caliber of goalie to hack it for too many more years.

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No matter what, at least team captain Toews was in the line to shake hands afterwards.

As nauseating as it was to see a Blackhawks player lift the Cup, I was at least glad to see a 'deserving' player such as Toews lift it. Does everything the right way. Plays both ends effectively and is a great leader. Sooo if there was a benefit somehow to last night's nightmarish happenings, it was that.

Let's start next season already.

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Niedermayer is the most undeserving winner in history.

He scored like 11 points in Anaheim's Cup run, and won the Smythe. And unlike say, Scott Stevens in 2000, Niedermayer could hardly be called a shut-down specialist in those playoffs.

Toews won by default. If Philly had won, Briere or Leino would have been the frontrunners, but who else for Chicago could have gotten it, despite Toews' s***ty Finals.

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Help me understand, Toews has an award that Crosby doesn't have.....so technically he now has more accolades than Crosby? How does that work.

So if Crosby has 1,000 awards and Toews has 1 award, but it's one Crosby doesn't have = Toews technically has more accolades?

If that were the case, you might have an argument, but the point was that Toews now has a Stanley Cup to go with his gold medal, and he won the Conn Smythe to boot, which Crosby has not won. Granted, Crosby has a few awards that Toews doesn't, and may never have (Richard, Ross, Hart, Pearson), but the point was he has an award that Crosby does not, and while I am not as anti-Crosby as some on this board, I am glad to see another young player that is becoming more marketable by virtue of his accomplishments in championship situations.

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Toews deserved it, then Keith. Hartnell had a great playoffs and Pronger most of the time but nobody on the Flyers was good enough to win it on a losing team. People forget that the Conne Smythe is for MVP of the playoffs, not the Finals. Toews may have had a bad finals offensively but certainly was the major favourite coming in. Niemi? Give me a break, he was better than Leighton, but that's not saying much. The goaltending matchup in this SCF was probably the worst ever (as Glenn Healey, I believe, mentioned)

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niemi is going to be a good goalie, but his positioning flaws almost f***ed the hawks hard in the finals. lets just say niemi made the finals alot more interesting than they should have been.

Don't forget his rebounding issues. He was a rebound machine out there.

Help me understand, Toews has an award that Crosby doesn't have.....so technically he now has more accolades than Crosby? How does that work.

So if Crosby has 1,000 awards and Toews has 1 award, but it's one Crosby doesn't have = Toews technically has more accolades?

Hey now-- there's only room for one Carman on these boards. :cool:

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Deserving or not it's an award than Crosby doesn't have, so Toews technically now has more accolades than Crybaby. I'm all for this.

Huh?

You do know Crosby had a much better play performance than Toews right?

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Gigure was a product of his pads and his defense in 06-07.

Giguere did not win the Conn Smythe in 2007.

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Yzerman look out, Johnny Toews is about to steal your legacy. thumbdown.gif

How in your right mind can you come onto a Red Wings forum and actually ever state the following thing you just did?? Hopefully with some ph34r.gif to it

No one shall ever steal Stevie's legacy. 4 Cups (1 as executive), 10 time All-Star, Pearson, Selke, Masterton, Patrick awards. Captain for 19 seasons of arguably the greatest organization in all of sports. Horrible thread and statement. /end thread

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I would have went with (and really thought it was going to be) Duncan Keith. But to say Toews wasn't deserving is nuts. The guy was out there winning face-offs, killing penalties. He was named the best forward at the Olympics this year. So gimmie a break already.

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Messier in '84 was kind of a stretch. Guess they didn't want to give Gretzky ALL the trophies in a given year.

And when they panned the camera to Gretzky, his jaw was practically on the floor, mumbling 'wtf'! Gretzky definetly deserved the Conn Smythe in 84.

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When you're among your franchise leader's in playoff points for a season, I wouldn't call winning the Conn Smythe undeserving. Did others deserve it over him? Perhaps. I would've given Byfuglen a shot. But completely underserving? That's reaching way out there...

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Oh come on - Toews is as good as any other Hawk for the Smythe. They played great as a team.

The only person on the team that would be a total joke winning the CS is Hossa - I would start a thread myself if that along-for-the-ride fraud won it....

Fraud? How's that? He was often the best player on the ice. I'd say he was pushing the wagon, not riding on it.

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Fraud? How's that? He was often the best player on the ice. I'd say he was pushing the wagon, not riding on it.

He had 3 goals all POs in 22 games. One in the finals, which is an improvement over last year. <_< He was all zeros across the board the last three games - which, imo, just re-emphasizes that he is not a clutch player. And don't spit out he does all the little things - he is paid to score. He's not a 4th line grinder. But whatever, some people seem to think it was OK that he floated around for 7 games of the finals last year with the Wings, and just dandy that he finally won. He rode along with three contending teams - and the odds finally paid off. IMO he was a HUGE part of costing the Wings a Cup so don't expect me to cheer for him - ever.

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