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Toews: Most undeserving Conn Smyth winner in history?


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#21 Donaldjr2448

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:35 AM

Nah! Most Undeserving?! I think he deserved it, sure he didn't put up huge numbers in the Finals, but the Conn Smythe goes to the best player in the playoffs and there was no one better than Toews. The kid was awesome in the faceoff dot and that stat alone is the most underrated stat in the game. I personally thought that if Toews didn't get the award that maybe Leino would get it!

I think the Conn Smythe is usually pretty spot on when it comes to selecting the winners. Malkin totally deserved it last year, he kicked our butts!

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:49 AM

Yzerman look out, Johnny Toews is about to steal your legacy. :thumbdown:


:lol: What?

Toews has never broken the 70pt mark in the NHL.

Not once.

54pts as a rookie. 69pts last year and 68pts this year.

He has 191pts in 222 games.

Toews is highly unlikely to come close to Yzerman's legacy. Guess how many people in NHL history have scored more points in one season than Yzerman? 2. Gretzky and Lemieux.

Think about that. Yzerman didn't phone it in on his way to 6th all time in points.

I'm not worried about Yzerman's legacy-- he's already cemented his place in NHL history. No one else can change that-- the record books have been written. His excellence is well documented. When Gretzky beat out Howe's NHL records (note that no one has beaten his records for most goals scored in professional hockey-- NHL and WHL combined) it didn't change Howe's legacy.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 12:54 AM

You can debate this s*** til next years winner is crowned! Toews played decent, I figured Buff or Keith would get it. But if you want to break it down with points and all, Briere should have won it.

Who cares it's over.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:05 AM

As far as previous winners in the past 20 years (since Lemieux in 1991) who IMHO weren't necessarily the 'real' MVP, I place the guys who I didn't consider locks in terms of who deserved it in this order:

1995 Lemieux; should have been Brodeur
1997 Vernon; should have been Yzerman
2001 Roy; should have been Sakic
2009 Malkin; arguable for Osgood or Zetterberg
1993 Roy; arguable for Damphousse or Desjardins
1998 Yzerman; arguable for Fedorov or Osgood

Toews was basically a lock; tied Savard's points record for the Hawks, played solid D, great on faceoffs, took the other teams' top D unit every game. Team captain and acted like it. Kane was totally inconsistent, Niemi was up and down, Keith was the only other Hawks player with a chance. Pronger was the Flyers' best bet and in the most important game of the series he was their worst player. That means it was Toews, Keith, or Pronger.
So that cuts the success rate to between to 68.4% and 84.2% ; that's a pretty good success rate with that one compared to the other awards IMHO.

The Norris trophy will have either a 52.6% or a 57.9% accuracy rate IMHO since 1991 after it is awarded this year. Accuracy of 63.2% or 68.4% for the Hart. The Vezina will be at 68.4% or 73.7%, and the Selke at 63.2% or 68.4%. So only the Vezina is close to to the Conn Smythe in terms of accuracy as to who they "should" be awarded to, likely due to the fact they are restricted to only choosing the MVP from two teams rather than 30. Unless you think all of the guys I listed as 'wrong are wrong, and all of the 'correct' winners win, in which case the Hart and Selke will match the Smythe's success rate.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:06 AM

Im 99% sure that the crappy announcers for NBC commented on Toews and his subpar numbers for the playoffs, referencing how he needed to "Get in there more" and "Get more involved." LOL....29 points which ties a franchise record with Savard.....NBC really knows their stuff.


Hes Canadian and he gracious (Where's Hossa? upon looking to pass the cup)

Niemi comes to mind, but his numbers were pretty bad considering they won.....if you saw it years from now, there's no way you think it was Cup quality.

Hell, Chrissy Pronger didn't win...im happy



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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:15 AM

toews isn't american

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:16 AM

Im 99% sure that the crappy announcers for NBC commented on Toews and his subpar numbers for the playoffs, referencing how he needed to "Get in there more" and "Get more involved." LOL....29 points which ties a franchise record with Savard.....NBC really knows their stuff.


Hes american and he gracious (Where's Hossa? upon looking to pass the cup)

Niemi comes to mind, but his numbers were pretty bad considering they won.....if you saw it years from now, there's no way you think it was Cup quality.

Hell, Chrissy Pronger didn't win...im happy


Toews is American? He was our (Canada) best forward at the Olympics so this is news to me. ;)
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:18 AM

Toews is American? He was our (Canada) best forward at the Olympics so this is news to me. ;)

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:32 AM

f***en traders! :lol:


We would have gladly traded goalies with you. :) Miller was unbelievable.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 01:32 AM

This thread us really just sour grapes.

Toews didn`t have a great series but he was sick in the dfirst 3 rounds. He`s a complete player, he deserves it.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:09 AM

@OP who would you have rather taken the CS? Kane?!

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:25 AM

@OP who would you have rather taken the CS? Kane?!


Yikes. Kane's reluctance to do anything that isn't offensive makes that a hard pill to swallow. Toews may have struggled offensively in the finals but he was brilliant in the first 3 rounds and was out there killing penalties, blocking shots and winning face-offs in all 6 games of the finals.

Toews definitely deserved it.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:26 AM

For as much credit as he gets for being a two way forward, it's hard to believe he had a minus rating in the playoffs.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:48 AM

Pronger should have won. Toews was mediocre in the finals.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 03:01 AM

pronger was mediocre for most of the finals too

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 04:26 AM

Pronger is a ******. Is there an award for that?

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 04:35 AM

There wasn't any real clear-cut winner this year. Pronger and Toews looked like the obvious choices for most of the playoffs, but then they had quite weak finals.

Toews wasn't undeserving of it at all imo, but it always feels a bit weird when the Conn Smythe goes to a player that isn't dominant in the finals.
That's why it was so right when Zetterberg won it because he was without a doubt the best player in the SCF that year.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 06:00 AM

If it was the Stanley Cup Finals MVP, you'd be right. But it's not, and you're dead wrong.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:42 AM

Pronger should have won. Toews was mediocre in the finals.


Pronger basically cost his team the most important game they played in the playoffs. That's not how an MVP rolls.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:55 AM

Niemi actually stole Game 2 for the Blackhawks. Toews did nothing in the series whatsoever. Niemi>Toews.


you guys are ridiculous! you don't mail in blocked shots and high percentage faceoff wins...and penalty killing like dats/Z. he was having a hard time putting the puck in the net, but he still played great. he got assists. he created tons of scoring chances and made all the right plays at the right time. on top of that, he still led the hawks in playoff scoring. and there's 4 rounds in the playoffs, and he was one of the biggest, if not the biggest player in getting the hawks to the SCF.

niemi is going to be a good goalie, but his positioning flaws almost f***ed the hawks hard in the finals. lets just say niemi made the finals alot more interesting than they should have been.

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