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[HockeyTownHouligan]

I thought it would be buff because he scored so many timely goals in big games. Or even Keith or Sharp toews didn't deserve this as much as all those other guys.

[Carman]

Deserving or not it's an award than Crosby doesn't have, so Toews technically now has more accolades than Crybaby. I'm all for this.

Huh?

You do know Crosby had a much better play performance than Toews right?

[Crymson]

Gigure was a product of his pads and his defense in 06-07.

Giguere did not win the Conn Smythe in 2007.

[HankthaTank]

Yzerman look out, Johnny Toews is about to steal your legacy.

How in your right mind can you come onto a Red Wings forum and actually ever state the following thing you just did?? Hopefully with some to it

No one shall ever steal Stevie's legacy. 4 Cups (1 as executive), 10 time All-Star, Pearson, Selke, Masterton, Patrick awards. Captain for 19 seasons of arguably the greatest organization in all of sports. Horrible thread and statement. /end thread

[Original-Six]

lol this thread is epic fail. It should just die.

[Yzerman#19]

I would have went with (and really thought it was going to be) Duncan Keith. But to say Toews wasn't deserving is nuts. The guy was out there winning face-offs, killing penalties. He was named the best forward at the Olympics this year. So gimmie a break already.

[Supface]

[titanium2]

You know what? Teams should just start jinxing themselves before the playoffs begin. That's how it seems to work these days.

[GMRwings1983]

You know what? Teams should just start jinxing themselves before the playoffs begin. That's how it seems to work these days.

I wonder how Toews feels about Tyler Kennedy's picture being used for his likeness.

[miller76]

Messier in '84 was kind of a stretch. Guess they didn't want to give Gretzky ALL the trophies in a given year.

And when they panned the camera to Gretzky, his jaw was practically on the floor, mumbling 'wtf'! Gretzky definetly deserved the Conn Smythe in 84.

[SouthernWingsFan]

When you're among your franchise leader's in playoff points for a season, I wouldn't call winning the Conn Smythe undeserving. Did others deserve it over him? Perhaps. I would've given Byfuglen a shot. But completely underserving? That's reaching way out there...

[RockyMountainWingGal]

Oh come on - Toews is as good as any other Hawk for the Smythe. They played great as a team.

The only person on the team that would be a total joke winning the CS is Hossa - I would start a thread myself if that along-for-the-ride fraud won it....

[soonboomer]

Oh come on - Toews is as good as any other Hawk for the Smythe. They played great as a team.

The only person on the team that would be a total joke winning the CS is Hossa - I would start a thread myself if that along-for-the-ride fraud won it....

Fraud? How's that? He was often the best player on the ice. I'd say he was pushing the wagon, not riding on it.

[Yzerman191]

If this is true, you guys are going to love this:

Toews gets a 1.3 million bonus for winning the Conn. Because Chi was at cap, it will count against next year, so add that to their cap issues.

From James Duthie's twitter.

[RockyMountainWingGal]

Fraud? How's that? He was often the best player on the ice. I'd say he was pushing the wagon, not riding on it.

He had 3 goals all POs in 22 games. One in the finals, which is an improvement over last year. He was all zeros across the board the last three games - which, imo, just re-emphasizes that he is not a clutch player. And don't spit out he does all the little things - he is paid to score. He's not a 4th line grinder. But whatever, some people seem to think it was OK that he floated around for 7 games of the finals last year with the Wings, and just dandy that he finally won. He rode along with three contending teams - and the odds finally paid off. IMO he was a HUGE part of costing the Wings a Cup so don't expect me to cheer for him - ever.

[soonboomer]

[quote name='RockyMountainWingGal' date='11 June 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1276229356' post='1997935']
He had 3 goals all POs in 22 games. One in the finals, which is an improvement over last year. He was all zeros across the board the last three games - which, imo, just re-emphasizes that he is not a clutch player. And don't spit out he does all the little things - he is paid to score. He's not a 4th line grinder. But whatever, some people seem to think it was OK that he floated around for 7 games of the finals last year with the Wings, and just dandy that he finally won. He rode along with three contending teams - and the odds finally paid off. IMO he was a HUGE part of costing the Wings a Cup so don't expect me to cheer for him - ever.


How does that make him a fraud? What exactly was the deception?

[eva unit zero]

He had 3 goals all POs in 22 games. One in the finals, which is an improvement over last year. He was all zeros across the board the last three games - which, imo, just re-emphasizes that he is not a clutch player. And don't spit out he does all the little things - he is paid to score. He's not a 4th line grinder. But whatever, some people seem to think it was OK that he floated around for 7 games of the finals last year with the Wings, and just dandy that he finally won. He rode along with three contending teams - and the odds finally paid off. IMO he was a HUGE part of costing the Wings a Cup so don't expect me to cheer for him - ever.

Hossa didn't "just float around" out there. No, he didn't score. But he was defensively solid and did create opportunities. If you want a floater, look no further than 20 cent. I lost count of how many times Kane coasted back defensively, and if he got hit or had the puck knocked off his stick he would just lazily get back into the play when he felt like it. His work ethic on the ice makes Robert Lang look like Darren Helm.

[SH444]

It's truly sad that so many people who claim to be big hockey fans are using points and +/- to evaluate a player's performance.

If you think Jonathan Toews wasn't good in the Finals, you either didn'nt watch the game, don't understand the game, or are biased and bitter.

Toews is the type of player that doesn't need to score points to be the most dominant player on the ice.

Toews won more faceoffs than he lost in every Final game.

Toews won 60.2% of his faceoffs in the playoffs, tops among forwards who had at least 225 faceoffs.

Toews took 460 faceoffs, tops in the league. He took 33.7% of the Blackhawks' faceoffs.

Toews was 7th in the playoffs in shorthanded time on ice.

Toews led all forwards in the playoffs with 32 takeaways. He had just 9 giveaways, for a +23 differential that tied with Dave Bolland for best in the playoffs.

He had just 4 penalty minutes in 22 playoff games.


But yeah, let's give it to Byfuglien, who was minus 4 in the postseason. Or Keith, who turns the puck over in his own zone 3 times a period.

[SH444]

[font="Book Antiqua"]Hossa didn't "just float around" out there. No, he didn't score. But he was defensively solid and did create opportunities.

All I could do was shake my head and laugh when I saw a poster in this thread earlier call Hossa a "fraud" who "is just along for the ride.

Hossa is exactly the same as Toews, in that these guys don't need to get the points to be dominant on the ice. Throughout the postseason, Hossa was the second best forward on the Blackhawks.... and I don't think it was really close at all.

Hossa only played 57 games in the regular season, yet ended the season with the highest plus/minus of any player on the Hawks (+24).

No, he didn't score the goals in the playoffs, but this guy generated something every single time he touched the puck in the offensive zone, and was all over the ice at all times.

It's just sad that people still don't understand that point totals don't tell the story when it comes to players like Toews and Hossa. If anything, look at his plus/minus, which was +7 in the postseason.

[SH444]

Oh, and by the way... Brent Seabrook was better than Duncan Keith in the playoffs.