Next year's roster (Zherdev edition)

[Leadzedder 4]

This is what I want.

FORWARDS

* Nikolai Zherdev ($2.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / * Todd Bertuzzi ($1.500m)

* Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / * Darren Helm ($0.800m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.800m)

* Brad Winchester ($0.800m) / Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)

Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) / * Garnet Exelby ($0.800m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) / Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)

ROSTER: 23; CAP:$58.8m; PAYROLL: $58.671m; CAP ROOM: $0.129m BONUSES: $0.000m

No Meech. No Miller. No Draper.

Draper is the doubtful one. Send him over to Tampa with Maltby. I like Draper. I'm good with keeping him but his 1.58 is hard to fit into the top 12 spots. That's alot of capspace riding the pine. Wonder if he and Steve would go for it.

I know we have these threads all the time but not sure if there's one since we've found out some numbers for Lids, Holmstrom, the Bert offer, etc. And I'm too lazy to search. I want Zherdev. I just read an article about him wanting back. I also like Bert, would be a great line with Huds and Fil. As for Winchester and Exelby, I guess I just mean the best options of toughness with some ability in those spots. Asham I read is out of that range, for trying to fit in all i'm trying to fit in.

Without the option of moving out Drapes, you could just go Draper instead of Bert. Could still fit in Zherdev and a couple 800k guys to punch other guys. Still some options I guess I mean.

FORWARDS

* Nikolai Zherdev ($2.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)

Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.800m)

* Patrick Eaves ($0.800m) / * Darren Helm ($0.800m) / * Brad Winchester ($0.800m)

Kris Draper ($1.583m) / Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)

Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m) / * Garnet Exelby ($0.800m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Jimmy Howard ($0.717m) / Chris Osgood ($1.417m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)

ROSTER: 23; CAP:$58.8m; PAYROLL: $58.755m; CAP ROOM: $0.045m BONUSES: $0.000m

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

Yes

Cleary 100% Although not what the thread is about. You get it my friend. Kudos

[robb himself 143]

interesting idea except there is no way Draper isnt wearing the red and white next year...sorry...

[GMRwings1983 8,793]

Is Zherdev coming back to the NHL next year?

I heard he had a bad year in the KHL and I know he wasn't on their Olympic roster. He doesn't seem like the kind of player we need just because his work ethic has been questioned before.

[ComradeWasabi 109]

blueadams drinking game, drink up!

Wait...

[Leadzedder 4]

interesting idea except there is no way Draper isnt wearing the red and white next year...sorry...

No need to apologize.

Yeah, you're right. Second roster is what I want. The first one is what i really want.

Just mad sold on getting Zherdev. I hope Holland is at least entertaining the thought, making the call, checking the price. The cap age is all about getting best value / best fit. I see it as a huge opportunity.

[Leadzedder 4]

Is Zherdev coming back to the NHL next year?

I heard he had a bad year in the KHL and I know he wasn't on their Olympic roster. He doesn't seem like the kind of player we need just because his work ethic has been questioned before.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://4period.ru/index.php%3Fmod%3Darticle%26a%3Dsa%26id%3D1420&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.fi

That's not an official statement or whatever but enough to fuel talk.

Highly skilled, something to prove, I'd roll the dice. The other thing is if he has questionable work ethic, s***, he lead the rangers in points. I wonder what happens if he works hard.

Edited June 10, 2010 by Leadzedder

[GoWings1905 2,694]

No thanks on Zherdev. He would be in Babcock's doghouse more than Hudler ever was.

The top six is fine for the Red Wings. We need a hard-working, gritty player for the bottom six. Zherdev is like Williams with way more offensive upside. However, both players fill a very defined role and look completely useless outside of that niche. Zherdev just wouldn't fit with the Red Wings. I hope Holland sticks to his word and gets someone with an edge for the 4th line.

[heyfolks 8]

PREFACE - The mostl likely scenario is that the current roster, with several small changes will be on the ice next season.

Likely changes:

Lebda gone and Kindl is in.

Meech gone and Ritola is in.

The only way that may change is if Kindl has a shaky camp and Wing brass do not believe Janik or Kosolov can come up and help. (Signing Janik tells me Meech is gone.)

However, that is no fun, so I put together a line-up where Hudler is moved. I like Happy but I think the Wings need a more complete player. He is a PP and 3rd line specialist. He does not perform well playing top 2 lines and would be against much better players when playing D. I used Frolov (Pave has made glowing comments about this kid) but a 2-way banging, doesn't need the puck forward also worrks.

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

* Frolov ($3.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / Kris Draper ($1.583m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m)

* Darren Helm ($0.700m) / * Drew Miller ($0.700m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.700m)

Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Andreas Lilja ($1.250m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)

ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m; PAYROLL: $56.705m; CAP ROOM: $0.095m BONUSES: $0.000m

Gave Eaves, Miller and Gator a small raise, dumped Bertuzzi and traded Hudler. I signed Frolov for a stepped down contract with a 3M hit and came in just under budget. I am a bit surprised Nick did not come in at 5.5M, so that threw a wrench in my plans to try and keep Bertuzzi. Would have liked a Cleary - Gator- Bert 3rd line. I considered moving 2 of Helm, Eaves and Miller but could not fill out the line-up.

I understand change for change sakes is not a good idea but this team does not need Hudler nor Bertuzzi. I wish they could move others, like Cleary and Draper. Draper to Tampa... that would be SWEET!

They get an aging hustle guy that can help them change the locker room and this team keeps Bertuzzi and adds Frolov or some other forward and we get a Bert-Gator-Cleary 3rd line. < IT may not be pretty, but the Wings would have a more physical presence on the ice.

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES

FORWARDS

Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)

* frolov ($3.000m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)

* Tomas Holmstrom ($2.000m) / * Todd Bertuzzi ($1.500m) / * Justin Abdelkader ($0.850m)

* Darren Helm ($0.700m) / * Drew Miller ($0.700m) / * Patrick Eaves ($0.700m)

Mattias Ritola ($0.517m)

DEFENSEMEN

Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)

Brad Stuart ($3.750m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m)

* Andreas Lilja ($1.250m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)

Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS

Chris Osgood ($1.417m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.717m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS

(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)

ROSTER: 22; CAP: $56.8m; PAYROLL: $56.621m; CAP ROOM: $0.179m BONUSES: $0.000m

[Buppy 1,720]

It'd be nice, but considering Zherdev turned down $3.25M and got $3.9M from arbitration, getting him at $2.5 seems overly optimistic.

I have to think if he doesn't get an offer over $3M he'll stay in the KHL. But who knows, maybe he really wants to come back to the NHL.

[Leadzedder 4]

No thanks on Zherdev. He would be in Babcock's doghouse more than Hudler ever was.

The top six is fine for the Red Wings. We need a hard-working, gritty player for the bottom six. Zherdev is like Williams with way more offensive upside. However, both players fill a very defined role and look completely useless outside of that niche. Zherdev just wouldn't fit with the Red Wings. I hope Holland sticks to his word and gets someone with an edge for the 4th line.

This following statement has nothing to do with Williams but Zherdev, that niche you speak of is called...... first line scoring winger.

[Guest Lidstromboli]

first line scoring winger? you mean like zetterberg and franzen?

[KrazyGangsta 79]

Please no Zherdev, one of the laziest floating players the NHL has seen. We really don't need him, for that price we might as well grab a player like Lombardi or keep that space to grab someone in the trade deadline.

You are right tho Drapes will not contribute anything to this team except for some leadership and energy player to rest the team up. Look for Helm to grab Drape's spot following this season and it will end the era of Kris.

No thanks pass for Zherdev tho.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

This following statement has nothing to do with Williams but Zherdev, that niche you speak of is called...... first line scoring winger.

First line? On the Detroit Red Wings, no less?

Once again, I see a parallel between Williams and Zherdev. I did state that Zherdev has more offensive talent, but he isn't better than what the Red Wings have right now in the top six.

More or less, I don't believe Zherdev addresses what the Red Wings need this summer.

[Leadzedder 4]

I know as much about this as the rest of yas so it's all opinion but my thought is you have Frolov and Zherdev as intriguing options for Pavel's wing. Difference being is that one of them is crawling back to the NHL. That's the guy you target. The potential sweet deal.

And the numbers are right that were mentioned for Zherdev. AFter the Rangers walked from 3.9 I'd guess he didn't get too much for offers. Teams had signed there players by then. 3.9 was Zherdev's number. He didn't get it. Dude's looking for a home, let's give him one.

Trade Hudler... nah. 2.875 for what he's gonna bring this year. I'll keep him.

First line winger? Franzen? Zetterberg? What? 30 teams in this league. They don't all have those level of guys on their first line. But if you don't agree calling a team's leading point scorer a first liner than we'll just disagree and move on.

[Leadzedder 4]

First line? On the Detroit Red Wings, no less?

Once again, I see a parallel between Williams and Zherdev. I did state that Zherdev has more offensive talent, but he isn't better than what the Red Wings have right now in the top six.

More or less, I don't believe Zherdev addresses what the Red Wings need this summer.

Alright, I'll back it off some. But not without repeating he lead the rangers in points the last time he was this side of the water. (as a lazy floater, apparently)

I'm not saying he's a top 3 wings forward. What I'm trying to propose is a great top 9. Offense. Depth. You get 9 players, move them around in slots and make a 3 good lines. If you don't think he'd be a good player on Datsyuk's wing then.... I don't know.

Last year we had 2 4th lines... not enough offence depth to make 3 scoring lines. Good enough for some teams / fanbases. I like my wings to dominate. That's what I'm used to.

[Bannedforlife 403]

Holland has already stated that he will not be pursuing a top 6 forward. He will sign a bottom 6 forward and maybe a bottom pairing defenseman. Sorry to rain on your parade

[Leadzedder 4]

Holland has already stated that he will not be pursuing a top 6 forward. He will sign a bottom 6 forward and maybe a bottom pairing defenseman. Sorry to rain on your parade

Oh... ok.

How do you delete a thread?

Come on man, I'm bored. Let me talk hockey, propose realistic options, suggest how this team could improve. I got nothing else going on tonight.

[Drake_Marcus 890]

Moving Draper would make Holland's life much, much easier but I doubt they'll be able to do it unless Maltby can convince Draper to come to TB with him (assuming Stevie brings Malts in which is far from a sure thing).

[Bannedforlife 403]

Oh... ok.

How do you delete a thread?

Come on man, I'm bored. Let me talk hockey, propose realistic options, suggest how this team could improve. I got nothing else going on tonight.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree, just that it most likely will not happen. Personally I would love to see bit of a shake-up. Nothing major, just something to get excited about.

[GoWings1905 2,694]

Alright, I'll back it off some. But not without repeating he lead the rangers in points the last time he was this side of the water. (as a lazy floater, apparently)

I'm not saying he's a top 3 wings forward. What I'm trying to propose is a great top 9. Offense. Depth. You get 9 players, move them around in slots and make a 3 good lines. If you don't think he'd be a good player on Datsyuk's wing then.... I don't know.

Last year we had 2 4th lines... not enough offence depth to make 3 scoring lines. Good enough for some teams / fanbases. I like my wings to dominate. That's what I'm used to.

Fair enough. I just feel the Red Wings depth is much better now with Hudler back. We'll never have three lines like 2009 again, but the Red Wings are already more balanced than last season especially if Bertuzzi sticks around. I do agree with you - I thought our bottom six was the biggest downfall of the playoffs. Two energy lines, neither did anything offensively. That can't happen again if the Red Wings want to be successful next season.

[Leadzedder 4]

I just had a thought.... maybe Williams doesn't suck.

Let me explain.

We all agree we have enough high end players to make 2 scoring lines. We would all agree we need a good, energy, able to pot occasionally, defensively responsible, maybe even shutdownish, have someone to fight, 4th line. What's up in the air is what to do with that other line. Do we have / can we get... the offensive depth to make a scoring 3rd line. Do we have the right players to make another effective energy line?

Last year we had the 2 scoring lines and 2, for lack of a better word, s*** lines. We had 2 lines that tried not to get scored on and every once in awhile they checked someone. I'm not saying we shouldn't go this way, just wee need the right players. Personally, I like the 3 scoring lines, but obviously you need great caphits. That's why players like Huds at 2.875 and Zherdev for a proposed 2.5 do it for me. I like Drew Miller but I don't want 6 of them on the roster.

Anyway, back to Williams. He didn't warrant or earn top 6 minutes. Our 3rd line was a Miller line. He doesn't work on Miller lines. If things would have went different and we woulda ran a Will, Fil and Vill line maybe he ends up not sucking (as much)