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[VanDer]

YEEEES!
Germany beats England 4-1!

WOOOOHOOOO!!!!

Made my day!

[germanwing]

The revenge of 1966!

But we were very lucky, that the goal didn´t count!

@VanDer
You´re certainly lucky, that France has been eliminated in the first round! Me too!

Edited by germanwing, 27 June 2010 - 12:00 PM.

[hooon]

The revenge of 1966!

But we were very lucky, that the goal didn´t count!

@VanDer
You´re certainly lucky, that France has been eliminated in the first round! Me too!

Another goal that shouldnt have counted in the Argentina game. The officiating in this World Cup had been horrendous. So many games have been decided by wrong-calls on huge game changing goals.

Germany was the better team, there's no doubt.... but anything can happen when a game is tied. The thing that gets me, is it would be so easy to impliment such a simple review system for goals. FIFA is one of the strangest leagues out there.

[germanwing]

Another goal that shouldnt have counted in the Argentina game. The officiating in this World Cup had been horrendous. So many games have been decided by wrong-calls on huge game changing goals.

Germany was the better team, there's no doubt.... but anything can happen when a game is tied. The thing that gets me, is it would be so easy to impliment such a simple review system for goals. FIFA is one of the strangest leagues out there.

[Green Wing]

Another goal that shouldnt have counted in the Argentina game. The officiating in this World Cup had been horrendous. So many games have been decided by wrong-calls on huge game changing goals.

Germany was the better team, there's no doubt.... but anything can happen when a game is tied. The thing that gets me, is it would be so easy to impliment such a simple review system for goals. FIFA is one of the strangest leagues out there.

It's a joke sport, at the moment. I love the game, played it my whole life, but it's a complete joke with Sepp Blatter in charge. In tonight's Mexico v Argentina game, Argentina score an offside goal, and they show a replay in the stadium in seconds so that everybody can see that it should not count. But the officials, knowing that they're wrong, feel compelled to ignore it. "DURRR, we're not allowed to look at video technology! Sorry!" It's absolutely farcical.

It'll continue to be a joke sport until that odious, greedy cretin Blatter goes. (although they'll probably replace him with someone equally as bad). The only positive from these terrible decisions is that it might mean pressure for him to resign. After France hand-balled their way to the World Cup in the playoff against Ireland, everybody said they must introduce Video Technology before it ruins a major tournament. He ignored it. Hope he reaps what he has sown.

And people think Bettman and the NHL officiating is bad!

[cusimano_brothers]

FIFA = Techophobics.

[VanDer]

I honestly can't understand one bit why sepp blatter will not bring in goal line technology and/or video reviews into the game. It makes zero sense at all.

Even if he used the extra officials behind the net in for the word cup like he had for the
Europa League then they would of saw Lampards goal was in

[dropkickshanahans]

England were embarrassingly bad.

And Sepp Blatter and the lack of video technology is the big issue again. The smug, arrogant idiot that he is.

Even if England had got that goal today, Germany would have still beaten them. Much, much better team.

I don't know about that. Anything could happen with a 2-2 game with England having new life and changing their tactics (they pretty much threw their whole team up front in desperation lol), but I digress and agree that Germany was still the better team. They were younger and played with more heart imo.

I agree that soccer needs video replay, but only used sparingly. I think what would make things much easier is to increase the refs used per match. A couple more linesman and an extra field ref wouldn't hurt. Also, each manager gets 1 challenge per half, and the challenge can only be used for replay situations like offsides, handballs, controversial goals (like what we saw during the England/Germany match). See how easy that was FIFA? The game is hardly slowed down, if at all, with extra eyes to get the calls right, and if they do get a call wrong and there's the coach's only challenge to look at the replay to decide, the maximum amount of time that would take is 5 minutes or less, and either stop the clock for the replays or just add it as extra time at the end. Simple.

[Aussie_Wing]

Is it over yet?

[Green Wing]

Is it over yet?

The final is 11th of July.

I don't know about that. Anything could happen with a 2-2 game with England having new life and changing their tactics (they pretty much threw their whole team up front in desperation lol), but I digress and agree that Germany was still the better team. They were younger and played with more heart imo.

I agree that soccer needs video replay, but only used sparingly. I think what would make things much easier is to increase the refs used per match. A couple more linesman and an extra field ref wouldn't hurt. Also, each manager gets 1 challenge per half, and the challenge can only be used for replay situations like offsides, handballs, controversial goals (like what we saw during the England/Germany match). See how easy that was FIFA? The game is hardly slowed down, if at all, with extra eyes to get the calls right, and if they do get a call wrong and there's the coach's only challenge to look at the replay to decide, the maximum amount of time that would take is 5 minutes or less, and either stop the clock for the replays or just add it as extra time at the end. Simple.

I agree entirely about the challenge system - I've been saying for ages what a good idea it is. IMO, there's always seemed to be a hidden agenda in FIFA's refusal to introduce any of these measures. Apparently, Blatter has now said they're finally going to 'look at' introducing the technology later on in the summer. Whoopee! Too late for many.

England were pretty much a shambles all tournament. They could only 'play' in brief flurries. They had no pattern of play, no tempo, no control. Team spirit was suspect. They didn't play like a 'team', they were just a bunch of individuals. It's quite inexplicable, especially since Capello has a reputation of being such a good coach. I think most England fans were completely honest about the game and didn't use the non-goal as an excuse.

As for Germany - they are a team. They've looked good going forward, but I still think they are a bit suspect at the back. And although their first 11 are good, I don't really rate their subs too much. I like them though. Argentina v Germany should be very interesting.

Anyone but Brazil...

[SouthernWingsFan]

A few thoughts...

Unfortunately the officiating overall has been pretty atrocious. NHL officiating on grass perhaps? The U.S. got hosed out of wins, twice, all things remaining the same in those two games, but thankfully still advanced to the knockout rounds. England and Mexico got screwed bigtime as well. I absolutely hate when bitter fans on here or anywhere use the officiating excuse card if their team loses, but referees playing a bigger outcome than necessary in determining a game and blowing obvious calls that a 2nd grader could make equally aggravates the hell out of me as well.

As for the U.S., there's a lot of different angles you can take to whether or not you are happy or disappointed in them or whatever.

First the positive/happy side...

They did advance to the knockout stage, which was an initial goal probably - and they did it despite getting shafted a few times as explained above. On the happy go side realizing that along with understanding that some of the soccer giants bowed out early this year (Italy, France etc., Argentina in '02 in South Korea/Japan I believe, and so forth) and this happens pretty much every year in the World Cup when you have a limited amount of games and such a slim margin for error, you can have probably some form of contentedness.

Now the disappointing side...

Getting to the knockout stage is great, but it would be hard for the cards to fall into place again anytime soon to where they'd have a chance at a big run to Quarterfinals, Semifinals etc. like what happened this year in playing Ghana then Uruguay/South Korea if they won. They blew that opportunity. No disrespect to Ghana, they've beaten the USA twice in a row now, but losing to Ghana in the biggest stage was extremely disappointing. Hypothetically speaking, maybe Ghana is one of those teams the U.S. beats 7, 8 times out of 10. But, if the U.S. wants to get themselves to the same level of consistency as teams like Germany, Brazil, England, Spain, etc. - they need to win the games they should win (at least on paper) when it counts most. That they still haven't been able to prove yet. I honestly don't think much needs changing, just a little bit of luck and trying to get a little bit more firepower, as our forward corps just has a lack of finishing power it seems.

Edited by SouthernWingsFan, 29 June 2010 - 10:52 AM.

[dropkickshanahans]

I agree entirely about the challenge system - I've been saying for ages what a good idea it is. IMO, there's always seemed to be a hidden agenda in FIFA's refusal to introduce any of these measures. Apparently, Blatter has now said they're finally going to 'look at' introducing the technology later on in the summer. Whoopee! Too late for many.

He's like Bud Selig, he cares too much about the human element-tradition of the game to want to make any changes for the better. It took a blown perfect game against the Tigers for Selig to start "discussing" instant replay, as it took an absolutely blown call on a clear goal for Blatter to want to "discuss" the same thing.

Only bad thing about the discussion that I recently heard today is that they're only going to discuss putting a chip in the ball or whatever, but no changes that have to deal with offsides. The problem I have with this is how many times have we seen a blown no-goal call like this? I don't recall any. How many times have we seen blown offside calls? A lot. So their discussions later this summer isn't going to do anything to help the game that much at all.

Edited by dropkickshanahans, 29 June 2010 - 04:55 PM.

[VanDer]

He's like Bud Selig, he cares too much about the human element-tradition of the game to want to make any changes for the better. It took a blown perfect game against the Tigers for Selig to start "discussing" instant replay, as it took an absolutely blown call on a clear goal for Blatter to want to "discuss" the same thing.

Only bad thing about the discussion that I recently heard today is that they're only going to discuss putting a chip in the ball or whatever, but no changes that have to deal with offsides. The problem I have with this is how many times have we seen a blown no-goal call like this? I don't recall any. How many times have we seen blown offside calls? A lot. So their discussions later this summer isn't going to do anything to help the game that much at all.

True goals given due to dodgy offsides are much more likly but there are also a number of goal decisions where goal line technology will help



This one the ball didnt go anywere near in but the ref gives it as a goal



This next one i couldnt find a video for it so a picture will have to do

You can clearly see the ball in the corner of the net. The goal was not given

[kook_10]

[germanwing]

Germany destroys Argentina 4-0 in the quarterfinal.
Messi without a goal in the whole tournament. Very disappointing World Cup for him.

[Hockeytown0001]

The winning goal for Uruguay was unreal

[germanwing]

You need strong nerves to do that!

[dropkickshanahans]

Well Uruguay's run is over. Forlan was huge again for his team, but it looks like the game was decided by another questionable offsides call. Nonetheless, I look to see the Dutch vs Germany in the finals, but we'll see what Paul the Octopus says

Edited by dropkickshanahans, 06 July 2010 - 05:12 PM.

[SweWings]

Well Uruguay's run is over. Forlan was huge again for his team, but it looks like the game was decided by another questionable offsides call. Nonetheless, I look to see the Dutch vs Germany in the finals, but we'll see what Paul the Octopus says

Forlan is amazing and hopefully he'll cause some trouble for Germany but for me Holland vs Spain is a dream final. Holland has always been my 2nd favorite team in international soccer (after Sweden, duh!). And Barcelona has been my favorite club since the Kluivert days, and since Spain's starting line-up is made up of at least 50 % Barcelona players .

[drwscc]

What an ugly game today, but hell of a result. Congrats, Spain!