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[wingsownnhl43]

Alright LGW, Im bored and just trying to stir up some conversation.

As we all know the Red Wings were able to successfully rebuilt on the fly by transitioning from the '97, '98, '02 championships to a very different core that won in '08 (exception is Lidstrom, OZzie, Drapes, Malts, Mac). This was pretty much unthinkable for modern day sports, as the transition was pretty much seemless. I know that the current core is not done contending, however my question to you all is this. Are we set up to rebuild on the fly again? We have the same management with an incredible track record of finding talent late.

I think to be a legiitmate contender you have to have two very good lines, secondary scoring which isnt hard to obtain when you have two solid lines in place, two top D pairings, and obviously a solid goalie.

Currently,

Pavel Datsyuk is 31
Henrik Zetterberg is 29
Johan Franzen is 30
Valtteri Filppula is 26
Jiri Hudler is 26
Tomas Holmstrom is 37

Nick Lidstrom is 40
Brian Rafalski is 36
Nick Kronwall 29
Brad Stuart 30

Jimmy Howard is 26

Right now, in place, I really do think Jimmy Howard can be a SC quality goalie. He obviously has to improve from what we saw this playoff, but i think he can.

Other than that, with the exception of Nick, Raffi, and Homer, everyone is still in their prime so we have a few years to incorporate the next wave of talent. Hudler and Flip are top 6 players and they are still young.


Getting to the point of this rambled thread, do we have top six forwards or top four defenseman in the system? People are high on Tatar and Nyquist. I have my doubts on Kindl, Ericcson, and Brendan Smith.

What say you, LGW?

Edited by wingsownnhl43, 12 June 2010 - 08:09 PM.

[HockeyTownHouligan]

99 championship??? don't you mean 97 98 02 08

[robb himself]

Alright LGW, Im bored and just trying to stir up some conversation.

As we all know the Red Wings were able to successfully rebuild on the fly by transitioning from the '98, '99, '02 championships to a very different core that won in '08 (exception is Lidstrom, OZzie, Drapes, Malts, Mac). This was pretty much unthinkable for modern day sports, as the transition was pretty much seemless. I know that the current core is not done contending, however my question to you all is this. Are we set up to rebuild on the fly again? We have the same management with an incredible track record of finding talent late.

I think to be a legiitmate contender you have to have two very good lines, secondary scoring which isnt hard to obtain when you have two solid lines in place, two top D pairings, and obviously a solid goalie.

Currently,

Pavel Datsyuk is 31
Henrik Zetterberg is 29
Johan Franzen is 30
Valtteri Filppula is 26
Jiri Hudler is 26
Tomas Holmstrom is 37

Nick Lidstrom is 40
Brian Rafalski is 36
Nick Kronwall 29
Brad Stuart 30

Jimmy Howard is 26

Right now, in place, I really do think Jimmy Howard can be a SC quality goalie. He obviously has to improve from what we saw this playoff, but i think he can.

Other than that, with the exception of Nick, Raffi, and Homer, everyone is still in their prime so we have a few years to incorporate the next wave of talent. Hudler and Flip are top 6 players and they are still young.


Getting to the point of this rambled thread, do we have top six forwards or top four defenseman in the system? People are high on Tatar and Nyquist. I have my doubts on Kindl, Ericcson, and Brendan Smith.

What say you, LGW?


it was 97 98 02 08....

and i think we have plenty of guys coming through that will be quality NHL players in a few years starting with

Tatar LW
Emmerton C
Ferraro RW

Axelsson LW
Nyquist C
Nestasil RW

and on D we will have

Smith Kindl

Almqvist Lashoff

Kolosov Pyatt

and McCollum is going to be a STUD


i personally think we have a very bright future

[wingsownnhl43]

haha sorry i typed this out real quick.

[HockeyTownHouligan]

at any rate I think that Tatar can be a force once he develops, which might not take that long. We might have to do this the old fashioned way and do it via free agency and look for some talent that way too.

[Jesusberg]

I think the real impact forwards will be Tatar and Nyquist, with an honorable mention to Mursak if his hands catch up with his speed.

Right now Smith and Lashoff look good on D, Pyett had a good year too. I think I'm over-hyping them, but I feel like Smith-Lashoff could be a huge pairing for Grand Rapids next year.

[Chunkylover]

What interest/concerns me most is whether Datsyuk and Zetterberg can pass off what they learned from Yzerman, Hull, et al to the next wave. That is what is most important. Sure D and Z had talent before they came here, but so did guys like Patrick Stefan and Alexandre Daigle. Unfortunately for the latter they did not learn the game from Hall of Famers like the late-round also rans we have here in Detroit.

Datsyuk can barely speak English, though he's probably better than he lets on, but unless we gets some young Russians he will be limited in his ability to teach the kids. Zetterberg can speak well, and he certainly has the personal dedication to excellence, but I wonder sometimes if he has what it takes to lead like Yzerman and Lidstrom. Perhaps I'm holding him to too high a standard at this point, but sometimes he seems bored with life, especially during interviews, and I wonder how he is in the locker room.

We all know how Hull really took Datsyuk under his wing, and there was a real nurturing of the younger by the older. Watching them on the bench I really got the impression that Hull cared about Pavel's development, and that Pavel really looked up to and respected Brett. That's the kind of leadership we'll need here to keep this party going.

[titanium2]

I think the real impact forwards will be Tatar and Nyquist, with an honorable mention to Mursak if his hands catch up with his speed.

They need a center for those guys. Tatar and Nyquist aren't natural centermen as far as I know. They can play some spot up duty in the middle but Tatar is a LW and Nyquist plays RW for Maine.

I hope that's what they find in this year's draft. Ferraro is listed at center but I doubt he'll be a center at the NHL level if he wants to play in the top six.

EDIT ADD: The Wings don't really have any top six centers in their prospect pool.

-Helm is a bottom six center.
-Andersson, Abdelkader and Ferraro are more of a bottom six center at the NHL level that can fill in as a top six center during injuries.
-Emmerton hasn't even made the top six in GR in two years.
-Raedeke is another bottom six center.

It'd be nice if they could get some flat out top six centers this year but I know every team wants those guys.

Edited by titanium2, 12 June 2010 - 09:55 PM.

[13dangledangle]

<br>I think to be a legiitmate contender you have to have two very good lines, secondary scoring which isnt hard to obtain when you have two solid lines in place,&nbsp;&nbsp;two top D pairings, and obviously a solid goalie.<br>

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<div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; If you look back at the cup winners of past the part of there game that excels there opponent is rolling 3 lines that can score and 1 thrown in to wear them down. &nbsp; Who was our third line two years ago? I cant remember...Flip, Huds, Sammy ?&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anywho I do believe we need to add a secondary scorer, someone like I think Huds is (just bigger), someone who can guarantee at least 20 goals and set up at least 30 as well. &nbsp;This other mystery scorer would enable Z&amp;D back together, because that should be our biggest threat. &nbsp; &nbsp;We find this man for a good price and we win. &nbsp;I think Afinogenov would work until Tartar is ready, I like what him and Dats would bring together, not to mention having Hank there too.<img src="http://www.letsgowin...fault/hehe.gif" alt="" class="bbc_emoticon"></div>

[Mickey Redmond]

am I the only one that won't be suprised if Howard struggles next season?

[titanium2]

am I the only one that won't be suprised if Howard struggles next season?

Nope. I expect Howard to go through a sophomore slump. He's not immune to it in my view. I just hope he bounces back well for every game and that Osgood has a good year.

[Red Storm]

Nope. I expect Howard to go through a sophomore slump. He's not immune to it in my view. I just hope he bounces back well for every game and that Osgood has a good year.

Far from starting it, but just from the talk here you know its going to be a long in the tooth year.

[titanium2]

Far from starting it, but just from the talk here you know its going to be a long in the tooth year.

I'm not quite sure what you mean.

[Echolalia]

Far from starting it, but just from the talk here you know its going to be a long in the tooth year.

???

[newfy]

I don't know if we have good enough prospects to make the transition as easily as we did last time but we have guys who will help. Tatar, Nyquist, Ferraro and Nestrasil all could be good top 6 players. They might not be quite on star level however so we may need to add a big name guy through trade or free agency to get us back to top notch talent level. Adding a defenseman might be the biggest thing we need because I don't see any potential number 1 studs in the system. Smith could be on rafalki's level but I think we need to either draft or sign that number 1 stud defenseman in the next 3 years to really stay at the top of the NHL consistently.

[thedisappearer]

We're doomed. The Queen is dead, long live the Queen.

[mindfly]

They need a center for those guys. Tatar and Nyquist aren't natural centermen as far as I know. They can play some spot up duty in the middle but Tatar is a LW and Nyquist plays RW for Maine.

I hope that's what they find in this year's draft. Ferraro is listed at center but I doubt he'll be a center at the NHL level if he wants to play in the top six.

EDIT ADD: The Wings don't really have any top six centers in their prospect pool.

-Helm is a bottom six center.
-Andersson, Abdelkader and Ferraro are more of a bottom six center at the NHL level that can fill in as a top six center during injuries.
-Emmerton hasn't even made the top six in GR in two years.
-Raedeke is another bottom six center.

It'd be nice if they could get some flat out top six centers this year but I know every team wants those guys.

Future top6 NHL centers are usually found in the top15 of the draft where wings never gets to pick

[newfy]

Future top6 NHL centers are usually found in the top15 of the draft where wings never gets to pick

This year our pick is high enough that we could potentially grab a centerman if a good enough one falls to us. Macfarland could be a guy who falls but if he gets it together was considered to be right up there will Hall and Seguin last year. Howden might not be bad and should be available right around when we pick, Toffoli ad Pitlick mght fall too the wings and Bjustad could be there too.

I think out of all those guys Macfarland has the most chance to be a number one centerman with his skill set.


There is always free agency to pick up a number one center as well.

[titanium2]

This year our pick is high enough that we could potentially grab a centerman if a good enough one falls to us. Macfarland could be a guy who falls but if he gets it together was considered to be right up there will Hall and Seguin last year. Howden might not be bad and should be available right around when we pick, Toffoli ad Pitlick mght fall too the wings and Bjustad could be there too.

I think out of all those guys Macfarland has the most chance to be a number one centerman with his skill set.


There is always free agency to pick up a number one center as well.

Yeah McFarland would be great if he were to fall that far but I don't know about that. He'd go really well with Ferraro on the right wing.

[Aussie_Wing]

I think the real impact forwards will be Tatar and Nyquist, with an honorable mention to Mursak if his hands catch up with his speed.

Right now Smith and Lashoff look good on D, Pyett had a good year too. I think I'm over-hyping them, but I feel like Smith-Lashoff could be a huge pairing for Grand Rapids next year.

Absolutely nothing wrong with his hands.

Gee he is continously underrated. I can't wait until the day when Wings fans suddenly realise that we've got an elite talent in Mursak right on our doorstep. Mursak's speed + intensity + hands = gem.

Edited by Aussie_Wing, 13 June 2010 - 12:22 PM.