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[soultrain]

i love draft day! lets see some wild s*** go down today!

[HankthaTank]

So I can see the Wings select anyone other than Dylan McIlrath in stunning detail! (JK, guys who already have McIlrath sewn on the back of their jerseys...)

Is it too soon??

[hooon]

Will it be televised???

Yep. Versus.

[soultrain]

Will it be televised???

verses at 4 western

[DatsyukianDeke13]

For sure, it's funny how excited we get for the 21st pick. Imagine if we had a top 5 pick, LGW would resemble Toronto the day they get to the second round again.

Too bad my cable just went out past channel 24. Probably gonna camp out over my in-laws, NHL network in HD. So I can see the Wings select anyone other than Dylan McIlrath in stunning detail! (JK, guys who already have McIlrath sewn on the back of their jerseys...)

+1. I lol'd about the McIlrath part

[Dave]

Woo, I'm ready to see some off season action!

I dunno what's more fun; speculating on how well a draftee will do, or speculating on how well a traded player will do.

[cjm502]

Ahh, this time of the year again. Lets see some gems this time around!

Edited by cjm502, 25 June 2010 - 01:10 PM.

[achildr1]

I read the Red Wings draft history today, from about 1989 till present. Its actually pretty painful between '92 and '97.

1997
Rnd Pick
2 23 1997-49 DET Yuri Butsayev RUS 6' 0" 195 Russia Tolyatti Lada
3 23 1997-76 DET Petr Sykora C CZE 6' 3" 206 Czech Pardubice HC
4 22 1997-102 DET Quintin Laing CAN 6' 3" 193 WHL Kelowna Rockets
5 23 1997-129 DET John Wikstrom SWE 6' 3" 200 SEL Lulea HF
6 23 1997-157 DET B.J. Young R CAN 5' 10" 178 WHL Red Deer Rebels
7 25 1997-186 DET Mike Laceby C CAN 6' 1" 180 OHL Kingston Frontenacs
8 23 1997-213 DET Steve Wilejto C CAN 5' 11" 178 WHL Prince Albert Raiders
9 22 1997-239 DET Greg Willers D CAN 6' 1" 195 OHL Kingston Frontenacs

1996
Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team
1 26 1996-26 DET Jesse Wallin D CAN 6' 2" 203 WHL Red Deer Rebels
2 26 1996-52 DET Aren Miller G CAN 6' 2" 208 WHL Spokane Chiefs
4 28 1996-108 DET Johan Forsander L SWE 6' 1" 174 SEL HV71 Jonkoping
5 27 1996-135 DET Michal Podolka G CZE 5' 11" 146 OHL Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds
6 9 1996-144 DET Magnus Nilsson L SWE 6' 1" 187 Sweden Vita Hasten
6 27 1996-162 DET Alexandre Jacques C CAN 5' 11" 165 QMJHL Shawinigan Cataractes
7 27 1996-189 DET Colin Beardsmore C CAN 6' 1" 194 OHL North Bay Centennials
8 26 1996-215 DET Craig Stahl R CAN 5' 10" 193 WHL Tri-City Americans
9 26 1996-241 DET Evgeniy Afanasiev L RUS 6' 2" 180 Midget Detroit

1995
Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team
1 26 1995-26 DET Maxim Kuznetsov RUS 6' 5" 230 Russia Moscow Dynamo
2 26 1995-52 DET Philippe Audet L CAN 6' 1" 175 QMJHL Granby Bisons
3 6 1995-58 DET Darryl Laplante C CAN 6' 0" 185 WHL Moose Jaw Warriors
4 26 1995-104 DET Anatoly Ustugov L RUS Russia Yaroslavl Torpedo
5 21 1995-125 DET Chad Wilchynski D CAN 6' 3" 179 WHL Regina Pats
5 22 1995-126 DET David Arsenault G DEU 6' 1" 165 QMJHL Drummondville Voltigeurs
6 26 1995-156 DET Tyler Perry C CAN 6' 0" 175 WHL Seattle Thunderbirds
7 26 1995-182 DET Per Eklund L SWE 5' 11" 194 SEL Djurgardens IF Stockholm
8 26 1995-208 DET Andrei Samokvalov RUS 5' 11" 169 Russia Ust-Kamenogorsk
9 26 1995-234 DET David Engblom C SWE 6' 1" 183 Sweden Vallentuna

1994
Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team
1 23 1994-23 DET Yan Golubovsky D RUS 6' 3" 205 Russia CSKA Moscow
2 23 1994-49 DET Mathieu Dandenault CAN 6' 0" 208 QMJHL Sherbrooke Faucons
3 23 1994-75 DET Sean Gillam D CAN 6' 1" 187 WHL Spokane Chiefs
5 10 1994-114 DET Frederic Deschenes CAN 5' 9" 164 QMJHL Granby Bisons
5 23 1994-127 DET Doug Battaglia L CAN 6' 0" 185 CJHL Brockville Braves
6 23 1994-153 DET Pavel Agarkov R RUS 5' 11" 167 Russia Krylja Sovetov
8 23 1994-205 DET Jason Elliott G CAN 6' 2" 183 RMJHL Kimberley
9 23 1994-231 DET Jeff Mikesch C USA 6' 0" 175 NCAA Michigan Tech
10 23 1994-257 DET Tomas Holmstrom SWE 6' 0" 198 Sweden Bodens BK
11 23 1994-283 DET Toivo Suursoo R EST 5' 10" 176 Russia Krylja Sovetov

1993
Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team
1 22 1993-22 DET Anders Eriksson D SWE 6 ' 3" 224 SEL Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik
2 22 1993-48 DET Jonathan Coleman USA 6' 1" 190 Mass. Phillips Academy
3 22 1993-74 DET Kevin Hilton C USA 5' 11" 170 NCAA U. of Michigan
4 19 1993-97 DET John Jakopin D CAN 6' 5" 239 MTJHL St. Michael's H.S.
4 22 1993-100 DET Benoit Larose D CAN 6' 0" 194 QMJHL Laval Titan
5 22 1993-126 DET Norm Maracle G CAN 5' 9" 175 WHL Saskatoon Blades
6 22 1993-152 DET Tim Spitzig R CAN 6' 0" 195 OHL Kitchener Rangers
7 22 1993-178 DET Yuri Yeresko D RUS 5' 11" 178 Russia CSKA Moscow
8 22 1993-204 DET Viteslav Skuta D CZE 6' 0" 198 Czech Vitkovice HC
9 22 1993-230 DET Ryan Shanahan R USA 6' 0" 161 OHL Sudbury Wolves
10 22 1993-256 DET James Kosecki G USA 6' 1" 170 Mass. Berkshire H.S.
11 22 1993-282 DET Gordon Hunt C USA 6' 5" 200 NAHL Detroit Compuware

1992
Rnd Pick Overall Team Player Pos Country Ht Wt Amateur League Amateur Team
1 22 1992-22 DET Curtis Bowen L CAN 6' 1" 189 OHL Ottawa 67's
2 22 1992-46 DET Darren McCarty R CAN 6' 1" 210 OHL Belleville Bulls
3 22 1992-70 DET Sylvain Cloutier C CAN 6' 0" 195 OHL Guelph Storm
5 22 1992-118 DET Mike Sullivan C USA 6' 1" 190 Mass. Reading H.S.
6 22 1992-142 DET Jason MacDonald CAN 5' 11" 205 OHL Owen Sound Platers
7 22 1992-166 DET Greg Scott G CAN 6' 2" 191 OHL Niagara Falls Thunder
8 15 1992-183 DET Justin Krall D USA 6' 2" 170 USHL Omaha Lancers
8 21 1992-189 DET C.J Denomme CAN 5' 11" 180 OHL Kitchener Rangers
9 22 1992-214 DET Jeff Walker D CAN 6' 4" 190 OHL Peterborough Petes
10 22 1992-238 DET Daniel Mcgillis CAN 6' 3" 220 COJHL Hawkesbury
11 22 1992-262 DET Ryan Bach G CAN 6' 1" 180 SJHL Notre Dame


This is rough.

2 22 1992-46 DET Darren McCarty
1 22 1993-22 DET Anders Eriksson
5 22 1993-126 DET Norm Maracle
2 23 1994-49 DET Mathieu Dandenault
10 23 1994-257 DET Tomas Holmstrom

These guys, i think, are the only ones to have more than a cup of coffee on the main stage.

[redwingfan19]

TSR top 100

http://www.thescouti...kings-top-1-25/



premium scouting top 100 , this one is interesting, some guys are ranked pretty low, while other are quite high

http://premiumscouti...g&id=2&Itemid=3

[cjm502]

TSR top 100

http://www.thescouti...kings-top-1-25/



premium scouting top 100 , this one is interesting, some guys are ranked pretty low, while other are quite high

http://premiumscouti...g&id=2&Itemid=3

The premium scouting list is pretty old by the looks of it.

[newfy]

The premium scouting list is pretty old by the looks of it.

Yeah something isn't right about that list.

[redwingfan19]

The premium scouting list is pretty old by the looks of it.

judging by the comments at the bottom of the page it looks recent

[Drake_Marcus]

premium scouting top 100 , this one is interesting, some guys are ranked pretty low, while other are quite high

http://premiumscouti...g&id=2&Itemid=3

My God. This guy is ranking skill over height!

[Drake_Marcus]

Here's what that guy said about McIlrath:

66. Dylan McIlrath, Defense, Moose Jaw- WHL:
McIlrath is one player who most people seem very high on that I just can’t quite get a grasp on why that is. He’s a great physical specimen, coming in at 6’4 215 and is a beast on the ice and only has room to grow which is scarier. He uses his size almost too much, wrecking people along the boards and daring them to try and re-enter his defensive zone. Has a real mean streak and can get out of hand at times, see his 169 penalty minutes as an example. Good at battling, he will keep forwards out of the crease and also is a feared fighter. However his skating leaves a lot to be desired, as he can get beaten by WHL-level forwards to the outside, he has relatively no puck skills, a good, hard shot but he’s not going to be on anyone’s powerplay. Makes bad decisions at times in the offensive zone and can get caught flat-footed in the defensive zone. His hockey sense is decent, but the skating will really hurt him at the next level. He’s a nice physical package and I can see the appeal from one vantage point, but there’s so much he needs to improve upon that he’s a real risky pick.
Explanation: Having Dylan McIlrath this low may seem unusual to some, but the reasoning is while Dylan has a lot of desirable physical tools, I just don’t’ see him turning into a good, valuable hockey player at the NHL level. While he does have the potential, the chances of him reaching that require a ton of development in many areas. The role he would fill, which is a slow, tough, physical shutdown defender who fights, isn’t exactly a valuable thing worth investing a high pick or tons of development time into.

[titanium2]

What can the Wings give up in order to get the Islanders 5th pick? Apparently it's up for grabs if the right trade is there for them.

Maybe they can get Niederreiter with that 5th pick.

[Drake_Marcus]

It's pretty much exactly what I said about him. I'm not saying it's right but at least I'm not the only one who sees him as a 2nd rounder (or late 1st) instead of an early 1st.

[redwingfan19]

What can the Wings give up in order to get the Islanders 5th pick? Apparently it's up for grabs if the right trade is there for them.

Maybe they can get Niederreiter with that 5th pick.

probably a first, second, tatar and a later round pick. Not worth it IMO wings should be going after that 15th from florida

[Drake_Marcus]

What can the Wings give up in order to get the Islanders 5th pick? Apparently it's up for grabs if the right trade is there for them.

Maybe they can get Niederreiter with that 5th pick.

We'd have to pay out of our ass for a top 5 pick.

[newfy]

Do you understand scouting at all? Guys who are huge and have elite talent will always go higher in the draft.

Let's break every kid down into three categories:
1. Talent
2. Size/Physical tools
3. Mental tools (hockey sense, attitude, etc)

If you're the Detroit Red Wings and you've yet to pick higher than 19th overall in 20 years you have to sacrifice something. So let's look at what you sacrifice:

Size:
If you sacrifice size you can still get away with it because, well, we all know how big Yzerman, Datsyuk and Zetterberg are. And that's not bigger than 5'11. Kane is a midget and is slight as well. He's weighs as much as a wet cat. He seems to have done ok for himself.
Examples: Skinner, Grandlund, Tarasenko, Weal

Talent:
You can sacrifice talent and draft a kid who's got great physical and mental tools but has a lower ceiling for growth. Will this get you a Cup winning team? I'm not sure, I only know that the last option (sacrificing size) can win you a Cup. I do know that these kids could get bigger and stronger but you can't teach talent so you have to hope the scouts missed something there.
Examples: McIlrath, Tinordi

Mental Tools:
Ok, so what if there's a kid who has the talent and size but might not have the drive or attitude? Or maybe the player has a low hockey IQ (McFarland for example). Well you have to bank on the fact that their attitude problems are a maturity issue and that that will come with time, or that they just need a strong system to help them get on track. These kids are either home-runs or busts.
Examples: Kabanov (attitude), McFarland (hockey IQ)

What do you do? The Wings aren't picking in the top 15 so realistically you have to sacrifice something. Talent is the one thing you just can't sacrifice in my opinion because you can't teach it or significantly overcome a lack of it with hard work.

If you wanna take a risk with someone who doesn't have the mental tools take it with Macfarland. His skill set is right up there with Kabanov but the difference is to go along with Kabanovs mental issues he has the chance of going to the KHL. We at least know Macfarland won't dothat and he could be an elite talent as well.

His skill set is right up there with anyone in the draft but he's slipping probably. Its not so much the prima donna attitude of Kabanov that bugs me but its the KHL/Russian factor that does.

[Drake_Marcus]

I'm feeling like the Wings will go after Johan Larsson if he's around by the time they pick in the 2nd.

If you wanna take a risk with someone who doesn't have the mental tools take it with Macfarland. His skill set is right up there with Kabanov but the difference is to go along with Kabanovs mental issues he has the chance of going to the KHL. We at least know Macfarland won't dothat and he could be an elite talent as well.

His skill set is right up there with anyone in the draft but he's slipping probably. Its not so much the prima donna attitude of Kabanov that bugs me but its the KHL/Russian factor that does.

I'm actually not a MacFarland fan (I just used him as an example). From what I've read he's got a low hockey IQ and is too one note.