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#41 jeff48109

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 10:56 AM

we are assuming the players vote to kick the inflator in. i've read that there has been a delay in the vote (should be out yesterday) but there is a feeling there is an equal number of players who don't want the inflator for the cap

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:00 AM

That's where the debate gets sketchy... I will argue until I'm blue in the face that a PURE enforcer is useless in today's game - but a role player that can protect his teammates AND is a mid-heavyweight, or straight heavyweight, which can still be defensively responsible, forecheck AND give you 8-10 SOLID, mistake free minutes a night, that doesn't take bad penalties is invaluable and is BADLY needed by EVERY team...

most of the mentioned players in other threads fill this need, however, a Boogard type player in today's league, doesn't serve much purpose and basically wastes a roster spot...

This is what I tried to say in the Konopka thread, but I guess people believe it when you say it. Maybe they think I'm an enforcer hater or something like that. Well I'm not. I support getting an enforcer and I support fighting.

But as you said players who can only fight, players like Boogaard, are basically a waste of a roster spot and cap space.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:04 AM

This is what I tried to say in the Konopka thread, but I guess people believe it when you say it. Maybe they think I'm an enforcer hater or something like that. Well I'm not. I support getting an enforcer and I support fighting.

But as you said players who can only fight, players like Boogaard, are basically a waste of a roster spot and cap space.



while I somewhat agree a guy who can only fight (ala brad norton) are a waste of a roster spot, boogaard is the exception. Who would not want the most feared enforcer on your team? I would definitely "waste" a roster spot on him.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:04 AM

IMHO the Wings could use 2, or 3 of these guys; 1, or 2 of them on the forward lines, and 1 on D.


This! I could not agree more. I think starting with one this year could be a step in the right direction, too.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:10 AM

while I somewhat agree a guy who can only fight (ala brad norton) are a waste of a roster spot, boogaard is the exception. Who would not want the most feared enforcer on your team? I would definitely "waste" a roster spot on him.

He's a player that is basically useless when he's not fighting. He can't just start fighting if no one is going with him, so you can just ignore him and he'll take stupid penalties because he can't keep up the pace or because he's trying to instigate a fight with someone. Just because a player is "most something" doesn't make me want to get him signed.

He can be effective when he's fighting but that's about it.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:10 AM

while I somewhat agree a guy who can only fight (ala brad norton) are a waste of a roster spot, boogaard is the exception. Who would not want the most feared enforcer on your team? I would definitely "waste" a roster spot on him.

He is not the most feared guy in the league... he's the most feared enforcer and all that affects are other enforcers... his play between the whistles does nothing for your team and I'd MUCH rather have a guy like Winchester, who is fearless and would still stand up to a Boogard type (maybe not win) and still offers other intangibles...

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Here in this one as well

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:10 AM

And by the sounds of it, a heavyweight one at that:



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I think this is more Mike Babcocks doing than Hollands, but its all good anyway! :clap:

The article is the equivalent of -- "we think an enforcer would be cool in a sense of filling every possible role, but it's expendable in the cap world and not entirely necessary", which is basically what we've seen in the last, oh, decade or more? I think I just s*** in someone's cereal though by pointing that out.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:18 AM

Meh, it's not going to be a deal breaker if it doesn't happen.

Groovy cool if we get one, oh well if we don't. Too many people in here overhype or undervalue them on here that I'm basically indifferent on them.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:22 AM

The article is the equivalent of -- "we think an enforcer would be cool in a sense of filling every possible role, but it's expendable in the cap world and not entirely necessary", which is basically what we've seen in the last, oh, decade or more? I think I just s*** in someone's cereal though by pointing that out.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:26 AM

Jared Boll or Arron Asham please and thank you. As it has been said a

Boll-Apple Fritter-Patty Sunshine line would be a lovely 4th if I do say so myself.

Asham I'll give you, but Boll is not in the same category given he likely won't chip in with offense. While Drake's production greatly dropped off the final two years of his career, the rest of it he pitched in offensively like Asham does. Boll doesn't help this team any more than Downey or May did.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 11:55 AM

Asham I'll give you, but Boll is not in the same category given he likely won't chip in with offense. While Drake's production greatly dropped off the final two years of his career, the rest of it he pitched in offensively like Asham does. Boll doesn't help this team any more than Downey or May did.

Boll HAD some offensive potential, he just never seemed to find it - he's pretty damn good at faceoffs and is a good, hard skater too, so I wouldn't have a problem with him, but he's in my 2nd tier of the "wish list" with Konopka

1st tier:
Asham, Nystrom, Winchester, Moreau(if bought out)

2nd tier:
Konopka, Modin(not for a fighter role) Boll, Artukyin, Boulton

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Edited by stevkrause, 22 June 2010 - 12:58 PM.

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:01 PM

Well if you're looking for a 1st line center for your AHL team I think that's better fit than someone like Carcillo for example.


Didn't Carcillo draw the most penalties in the league last year? I seem to recall Laviolette saying something along those lines.

He could draw the penalties, and then our powerplay could enforce them :)
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:34 PM

Speaking of enforcers, or rather, a big reason why enforcers exist, Matt Cooke is re-signed by the Pens for the next three years. Yep, guess I still have to hate them with a passion.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:37 PM

Boll HAD some offensive potential, he just never seemed to find it - he's pretty damn good at faceoffs and is a good, hard skater too, so I wouldn't have a problem with him, but he's in my 2nd tier of the "wish list" with Konopka

1st tier:
Asham, Nystrom, Winchester, Moreau(if bought out), Modin

2nd tier:
Konopka, Boll, Artukyin, Boulton

Modin? I didn't know this guy fights.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:38 PM

Boll HAD some offensive potential, he just never seemed to find it - he's pretty damn good at faceoffs and is a good, hard skater too, so I wouldn't have a problem with him, but he's in my 2nd tier of the "wish list" with Konopka

1st tier:
Asham, Nystrom, Winchester, Moreau(if bought out), Modin

2nd tier:
Konopka, Boll, Artukyin, Boulton

I agree that Boll is and should be in your second tier. Like your bolded word said, "had." The Wings are solid in the face-off circle even with the down season last year, and both Helm and Abby should improve in that regard. They're both hard skaters, but have far more potential to score than Boll does. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but aside from fighting I don't see what he could possibly bring to this team that they don't already have. I'd rather a guy like Asham be signed if were gonna go that route.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

Modin? I didn't know this guy fights.

doesn't really... but still plays physical, I was just saying who was on my wish list...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

Modin? I didn't know this guy fights.

He doesn't, but he does go into the corners to dig out loose pucks.

Problems with Modin is his age (35 soon to be 36), and tendency to get injured (has missed the majority of the past 3 seasons)...I personally would rather the $$$ spent on someone else.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:48 PM

I agree that Boll is and should be in your second tier. Like your bolded word said, "had." The Wings are solid in the face-off circle even with the down season last year, and both Helm and Abby should improve in that regard. They're both hard skaters, but have far more potential to score than Boll does. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but aside from fighting I don't see what he could possibly bring to this team that they don't already have. I'd rather a guy like Asham be signed if were gonna go that route.

Agreed completely that Boll isn't really what we need, but he is a great skater and hitter as well and forechecks like crazy - good energy guy... once again, he's not on my first tier of wish list guys, I'm just saying I wouldn't hate the move if he came here...

He doesn't, but he does go into the corners to dig out loose pucks.

Problems with Modin is his age (35 soon to be 36), and tendency to get injured (has missed the majority of the past 3 seasons)...I personally would rather the $$$ spent on someone else.

Agreed... now that I think about it, he probably belongs on my 2nd tier below Konopka... just out of the FA's available, I like his game (when he's healthy)... I guess I should have been clearer that he wasn't any type of an enforcer, since that is what this thread is...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:52 PM

Agreed... now that I think about it, he probably belongs on my 2nd tier below Konopka... just out of the FA's available, I like his game (when he's healthy)... I guess I should have been clearer that he wasn't any type of an enforcer, since that is what this thread is...

Up until a few short years ago he was coveted by a good number of teams for what he brought; big body, good hands, a very solid 2-way forward...With the injuries he's not where he was, but for the league minimum I wouldn't mind him getting a chance on the Red Wings.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 12:57 PM

Up until a few short years ago he was coveted by a good number of teams for what he brought; big body, good hands, a very solid 2-way forward...With the injuries he's not where he was, but for the league minimum I wouldn't mind him getting a chance on the Red Wings.

that's exactly my thought - there are others I would prefer ahead of him, but at a dirt cheap deal, it's a good gamble...

All I have to say about Holland and our off-season:

Here in this thread

Here in this one as well

Here in this one too

and finally

Here


Holland is a damn good GM. period.






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