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#41 F.Michael

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:32 PM

Like Drake_Marcus said it: when you draft 21st you have to sacrifice either physical part, mental part or talent. You can't teach talent. That's a fact. You can make players more physical. Players can improve their skating etc. Players' mental issues (Kabanov) can be fixed as well. You need to draft the guy with the best upside.

A guy like McIlrath will never be more than a Lilja-type player (4th d-man at best). A guy like Kabanov though... This is the Detroit Red Wings. We can fix those kinda issues. It would be stupid to not take that risk. Or a player like Pulkkinen. We would sacrifice the physical aspect there, but that can be teach either.

There are just examples but:

- McIlrath: sacrifice talent
- Kabanov: sacrifice mental "things"
- Pulkkinen: sacrifice physical game

Now these are just examples, we don't know if Pulkkinen even goes in the top6. But if you've got three basically equal players you just can't sacrifice talent.

With all due respect I think McIlrath has alot more upside than what Lilja could have ever dreamed of.

Lilja is, and always was a 5/6 Dman; McIlrath has the potential to be a 3/4 guy.

You don't make it in the top 20 prospects on thuggishness alone.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:35 PM

Like Drake_Marcus said it: when you draft 21st you have to sacrifice either physical part, mental part or talent. You can't teach talent. That's a fact. You can make players more physical. Players can improve their skating etc. Players' mental issues (Kabanov) can be fixed as well. You need to draft the guy with the best upside.

A guy like McIlrath will never be more than a Lilja-type player (4th d-man at best). A guy like Kabanov though... This is the Detroit Red Wings. We can fix those kinda issues. It would be stupid to not take that risk. Or a player like Pulkkinen. We would sacrifice the physical aspect there, but that can be teach either.

There are just examples but:

- McIlrath: sacrifice talent
- Kabanov: sacrifice mental "things"
- Pulkkinen: sacrifice physical game

Now these are just examples, we don't know if Pulkkinen even goes in the top6. But if you've got three basically equal players you just can't sacrifice talent.

Mcilrath you sacrifice offensive talent but he could very well be the best shut down guy in the league when his time comes. If he continues to develop at the pace he is, people are comparing him to a shea Weber.

Weber was a lot like Mcilrath point wise in the WHL, and style wise. Weber didn't get drafted til the 2nd round however. So their is something making Mcilrath seem better then Weber now.

It seems like a lot of people see that Mcilrath can fight so they underestimate his play and think he is just another enforcer that people want here. I think with the 21st pick I would take a Shea Weber/ Phaneuf type player, he could be a guy you can build a defense around. He also is considered one of the tougher guys to come out of the dub since the 90s.

4th dman at best? Why is that? The scouts are saying 4th dman at the least, but for some reason you seem to think he won't be anything better then a 4th. Strange.

Heres a good write up on him.

Dylan McIlrath, D Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
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Born: April 20, 1992 in Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Scouting report: Fearsome fighter and shutdown 'D' is a big open-ice hitter and the absolute toughest player in the draft, but a lot of scouts say he has an interesting upside, too.

Strengths: Big, wide body with room for another 20-30 pounds when he's at his physical peak. Very good upper body strength; uses it to staple wingers along the boards or to stand in and give/absorb punches while fighting. Biggest wingspan of any player in the 2010 draft class with an 83-inch reach; allows him to effectively employ a pokecheck on defense, and also comes in very handy when fighting; he ragdolls opponents and keeps them at arm's length while pounding them. Straight-line speed is above average; can get up the ice well once he gets going. A feared open-ice hitter; reads the play well and anticipates where an opponent will be, then lowers the boom. Very good defensive sense- understands his positioning and clears the crease with abandon. Loves the physical aspect of hockey; wants to go out and punish opponents, yet doesn't run around the ice out of control...exhibits measured aggression. Possesses a cannon for a point shot; takes a while on the windup, but the drive is low, heavy and deflectable. After veteran Travis Hamonic was traded to Brandon, was given a bigger role on offense and embraced it, finishing the season with 24 points after having almost zero production before Christmas. Relishes the fighting element of his game-- welcomes any challenger and ended up pounding enough guys early in the season that word got out and he had a relatively quiet second half. Some say he's the most effective and feared fighter to come out of the WHL since Scott Parker in the late-90's. Can throw with both hands; punches hard and can take down an opponent with one solid connection. Creates space for his defense partner; makes opponents think twice when he's on the ice-- players keep their heads on a swivel and account for 'Big Mac' at all times. Very good character and work ethic; highly respected in the dressing room-- a leader. Nasty disposition on the ice, calm and laid-back off it.

Weaknesses: First-step quickness is lacking; needs work on his lateral movement and change of direction. Stiff in the hips; not as fluid when pivoting/transitioning. Doesn't seem to see the ice very well and may lack the proper instincts to be a top-pairing 'D' and power play guy at the next level. Only starting to hone his first pass skills and realizing that he needs to be more effective on the breakout. Defensive positioning and decision-making still need work; can get a little scrambly, and when he does, his flaws are exposed for all to see.

Style compares to: If he continues to develop, Shea Weber or Dion Phaneuf. If he stays where he is/flatlines, Adam Foote with a little Matt Carkner thrown in for good measure.

Draft prediction: 17th overall to Colorado. The Avalanche are building a skill team, but a player of McIlrath's style and potential makes a lot of sense here. People who only focus on his toughness and current projection are too fixated on what he is and not what he could be. Sure, there's a more than average chance that McIlrath will never be more than a baggage-smashing 4/5 at the NHL level, but that does not take into account the kind of real progression he made from the end of the 08-09 season to where he is now. This is a kid that more than a few scouts see is still developing, and even if he doesn't develop the offensive side of his game will be a solid NHL contributor for years. Perhaps the Bruins don't need another lower-end d-man, but in today's NHL , teams are always going to pay a premium for toughness, especially where there is some skill involved. If Matt Kassian was a second-round pick (Minnesota '05) then McIlrath is a solid first-rounder without a doubt. Oh, and he's an even better fighter than Kassian was, too.
Other possibilities here: Nick Bjugstad, Brock Nelson, and on the defensive side of things, possibly Mark Pysyk and Jon Merrill. Denver University-bound Beau Bennett is another intriguing option, especially the thought of putting him with Paul Stastny or Matt Duchene one day. Want another off-the-board possibility? How about Ottawa scoring winger Tyler Toffoli? He's a safer option than underachieving forward John McFarland is right here, but if Duchene and McFarland could somehow click together down the road, then look out.

Projection: Solid No. 4 at the very least, and could develop into a No. 2 if his offensive game picks up more. But what McIlrath will give a team goes well beyond the numbers and measurables because he's a player who can alter the tempo and flow of a game with one big shift. Like Milan Lucic, he can make a thundering hit, blast someone in a fight and conceivably score a goal or set one up all in the span of a minute or so, which is rare for any player. McIlrath made a significant leap in his development, production and toughness from his first WHL season to second, and some talent evaluators think he has the potential to keep his upward development curve going and that the best is yet to come. For all the knocks on his "lack" of offense, he scored as many points as Pysyk (albeit in fewer games, but didn't really get the chance to play that role until after Christmas) and got more points than Derek Forbort, who gets hailed almost universally for his great upside but really didn't generate a ton of offense when you get down to it. I really think this guy has been sold short by fans who haven't really seen him or know a lot about him beyond his defensive acumen and toughness, but who have decided that he's another Mark Stuart. Maybe so, but if he's more than that (and you have to admit-- the numbers from 08-09 to 09-10 are saying something) then people will be kicking themselves for years because he has it in him to be a momentum-changer for his team.

Background: Central Scouting's 17th-ranked North American on their final list. Born and raised in Winnipeg, but parents Mike and Jean McIlrath are originally both from Moose Jaw. Older brother, Sean. Played forward/wing in minor and midget before switching to defense (at coach's behest because of surplus of forwards) the year before he jumped to the WHL. Went from one goal, four points in 53 games and a -22 as a rookie in 08-09 to seven goals, 24 points and a +19 in 65 games this year. Named Moose Jaw's "Most Improved Player" in 2009. Nicknamed "The Monster From Winnipeg" by Moose Jaw announcer James Gallo. Also goes by "The Undertaker", "Freight Train From Winnipeg", "Big Mac" and "Big Mac Truck" Fought Alex Petrovic in the 2010 CHL Top Prospects Game. Favorite NHL team growing up: Montreal Canadiens Favorite NHL player: Shea Weber

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Big and mean, old-time typical NHL defenseman. He scares people not only with some frequent fights he might get in, but with 6-4, 212 lbs. straight ahead speed and offensive ability to match. Often, and in a very complimentary sense, makes puck carriers cut to the other side of the ice with his intimidating size.- NHL Central Scouting Director E.J. McGuire to NHL.com

An old school defensemen who plays hard and very physical. A great deal of untapped potential that can be used in shut down situations as well as on the offensive side of the puck. - Moose Jaw Warriors head coach Dave Hunchak to NHL.com

"Offensive ability is not yet there, but many are selling his upside short. Shows flashes of jumping into the offense smartly and ability to shoot the puck. Feet are just a little bit slow. But his stride got longer this season and he does have some decent straight line speed that helps him recover if he get surprised by a speedy forward. (But yes, if a scout writes "good recovery speed" down as a note, that is not really a positive thing.) Underrated first pass ability - just keeps it simple and gets it out of trouble with reliability. That's all he'll need to be an effective NHLer."- Red Line Report's Mike Remmerde in his NHL Draft Notes blog; June, 2010

"I love this guy and I think he'll surprise on draft day. Scouts who have seen a lot of him understand he's got a more well-rounded game than he gets credit for. If I was picking in the 8-15 range, I'd really argue for this guy. (I'd slot him ahead of Connolly if my team medical specialists expressed any concern about Connolly's hips.) Somewhere in the 15-25 range seems most likely, and I can't imagine him dropping much further than that."- Red Line Report's Mike Remmerde in his NHL Draft Notes blog; June, 2010

"Shea Weber, probably is like the most typical stay at home D man. He has a great shot, too, and physical at times. One of my big role models is Travis Hamonic (53rd overall in 2008). He's come up the ranks right now and he's helped me along the way. He's someone I sure look up to."- Dylan McIlrath to NHL.com

"He played on Moose Jaw for three years and then he just got traded at the deadline to Brandon. He's helped me along the way. Right when I got drafted, he kind of fired me up on Facebook and said we should get together one time. We ended up working out at the same gym that year, and so we became good friends like that, and then been friends since."- Dylan McIlrath on friend and mentor Travis Hamonic to NHL.com

Ive always had a big wingspan; I can credit that to my moms side of the family. Its always been a joke in our family about my long monkey arms. They come in handy in hockey, though, both in fighting and in the employment of a good poke check.- Dylan McIlrath to New England Hockey Journal; June, 2010

I saw him throw three or four thundering hits (in the open ice), but he fought only once. It was almost as if he would make the hit and look around for the inevitable challenge, but nobody wanted to fight him. It was pretty obvious that he had established a reputation and there werent too many guys who wanted to tangle with him at that point.- NHL scout to New England Hockey Journal; June, 2010

That talent isn't worth the 21st pick?

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 03:55 PM

That talent isn't worth the 21st pick?

The point is you have to sacrifice something when you draft 21st. If McIlrath has the talent, physical and mental things all great why would he even drop so much then?

The fact is that with a guy like Kabanov you get much greater talent but you sacrifice the mental thing. Talent and upside isn't why people are drafting McIlrath. It's because you know what you get and he's a good physical player. But it's a first round pick and this is the Detroit Red Wings. You can't teach talent, but you can fix the other things.

If there's a player like McIlrath when we draft, surely there also must a player who may have less physical aspect but instead have greater talent. If drafting McIlrath wouldn't sacrifice anything he wouldn't be around when we draft.

I'm not bashing McIlrath here and it was probably wrong for me to say something about his potential. Still, I know what type of player we are talking about. You have to sacrifice something. It's just the way it goes. It just don't know how it would be possible that McIlrath would be somehow different case.

It's different with the top picks like Hall or Seguin. There are no risks but still great talent.

With all due respect I think McIlrath has alot more upside than what Lilja could have ever dreamed of.

Lilja is, and always was a 5/6 Dman; McIlrath has the potential to be a 3/4 guy.

You don't make it in the top 20 prospects on thuggishness alone.

Maybe it was a poor comparison but it wasn't the point of that post. I'm not talking about not picking McIlrath. I'm talking about what kinda player we pick, what do we choose to sacrifice.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 04:04 PM

The point is you have to sacrifice something when you draft 21st. If McIlrath has the talent, physical and mental things all great why would he even drop so much then?

The fact is that with a guy like Kabanov you get much greater talent but you sacrifice the mental thing. Talent and upside isn't why people are drafting McIlrath. It's because you know what you get and he's a good physical player. But it's a first round pick and this is the Detroit Red Wings. You can't teach talent, but you can fix the other things.

If there's a player like McIlrath when we draft, surely there also must a player who may have less physical aspect but instead have greater talent. If drafting McIlrath wouldn't sacrifice anything he wouldn't be around when we draft.

I'm not bashing McIlrath here and it was probably wrong for me to say something about his potential. Still, I know what type of player we are talking about. You have to sacrifice something. It's just the way it goes. It just don't know how it would be possible that McIlrath would be somehow different case.

It's different with the top picks like Hall or Seguin. There are no risks but still great talent.

Maybe it was a poor comparison but it wasn't the point of that post. I'm not talking about not picking McIlrath. I'm talking about what kinda player we pick, what do we choose to sacrifice.

The wings also don't make those high risk picks in the first round which a guy like Kabanov would be.

The only way Mcilrath drops to us is if we get lucky pretty much from what I've seen/read. He isn't going to put up points is probably the reason we might end up with him. early in the draft its all about forwards who are going to produce points. We still havea pretty high pick so the chance that he slips is there but I doubt it'll happen.

I would be happy if Holland traded down if Mcilrath is gone, then picks Kabanov and Tinordi/Petrovic.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:23 PM

I can tell there are going to be a lot of disappointed Red Wings fans come draft day.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:50 PM

I think they'll trade down...maybe more than once.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:55 PM

I think they'll trade down...maybe more than once.

Reading your first two posts, can't say I'm too convinced and sounds like you're just trying stir the pot here.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:57 PM

Yep one can always dream of a mean "son-of-a-*****" McIlrath but we all know how kenny holland works and he will draft Skill and skill only in the first 3-4rounds atleast... mitchell callahan last year was a pleasant out-of-the-ordinary surprise (albeit picked in later round)

However, imo, wings need a steady player back there, who's to say mcilrath won't be a Weber no.2 ?

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:01 PM

Yep one can always dream of a mean "son-of-a-*****" McIlrath but we all know how kenny holland works and he will draft Skill and skill only in the first 3-4rounds atleast... mitchell callahan last year was a pleasant out-of-the-ordinary surprise (albeit picked in later round)

However, imo, wings need a steady player back there, who's to say mcilrath won't be a Weber no.2 ?

Not skill. Talent.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:05 PM

what about Jarred Tinordi ?!

6'6 205lbs

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Bob McKenzie: The son of former NHL defenceman Mark Tinordi is an absolute physical beast, almost 6-foot-6 and still filling out a frame that is more than 200 pounds. He blew scouts away with physical testing at the Combine. Hes naturally aggressive, a heavy hitter, with outstanding leadership and character, as evidenced by his captaincy on what may be the best U.S. U-18 team ever. Tinordi will attend Notre Dame in the fall.


Bobby MAC has him going #23

A gamble worth taking if McIlrath and Pulkkinen are gone.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 06:08 PM

Dylan McIlrath, D Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
6-4, 212
Born: April 20, 1992 in Winnipeg, Manitoba
Shoots: Right
Scouting report: Fearsome fighter and shutdown 'D' is a big open-ice hitter and the absolute toughest player in the draft, but a lot of scouts say he has an interesting upside, too.
Strengths: ....
Weaknesses: ....
Style compares to: If he continues to develop, Shea Weber or Dion Phaneuf. If he stays where he is/flatlines, Adam Foote with a little Matt Carkner thrown in for good measure.
Draft prediction: ....
Projection: ....
Background: ....
Quotable: ...

After reading his strengths and weaknesses he doesn't really sound like Shea Weber or Dion. He sounds like a more offense, much tougher Ericsson. Weaknesses say he is slow, immobile and is prone to bonehead passes and has craptastic vision on the ice. But if the scouting report says at worst he'd turn out like Adam Foote, then hell, I'd take him easily. Foote was/is a damn good hockey player who had some nice snarl to him.
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Posted 22 June 2010 - 07:49 PM

If McIlrath or Tinoridi are there at #21 (and we dont trade down) and if Holland decides to pick more of the same, I will puke... In that case, I hope neither of them are there when he drafts just so I don't throw my remote thru the LCD!

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:40 PM

I want either Jarred Tinordi or Dylan McIlrath in the 1st round. I think this team needs a forward but at the same time if either of these two big defenseman are still on the board the Wings need to take them as I think both are future NHLers for sure. Tinordi is a 5 year plan as he is heading to Notre Dame and might be a better choice for the Wings as they don't need a d-man this year. McIlrath I like a lot as well and he will be ready once all the Wings contracts start to run out. Could be just as good of a pick as Tinordi.

Regardless I'm high on both of them and think both give the Wings more then any of the forwards they could get at that time of the draft.

If McIlrath or Tinoridi are there at #21 (and we dont trade down) and if Holland decides to pick more of the same, I will puke... In that case, I hope neither of them are there when he drafts just so I don't throw my remote thru the LCD!


ha didn't even read any of the posts in this thread just been high on these guys and my buddies/family have no clue anything about them. Good too see I'm not the only one who would like one of them.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:43 PM

Standing 6 feet, 5 inches tall. Weighing in at 215 pounds...

Dylan "The Villain" McIlrath!


Finally our very own Hall Gill! :yowza:

If McIlrath or Tinoridi are there at #21 (and we dont trade down) and if Holland decides to pick more of the same, I will puke... In that case, I hope neither of them are there when he drafts just so I don't throw my remote thru the LCD!


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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:53 PM

His 6'6 frame isn't going to make him much tougher as a hitter then Mcilrath in his 6'4 frame that he is still filling into. There isn't a lot of ways to measure toughness. Its pretty much hitting, fighting and taking punishment like Homer or shot blocking.

Fromw hat I've read theyre pretty even in the hitting regard but Mcilrath is the toughest fighter in the toughest league besides teh AHL or NHL. So I think its fair to say Mcilrath is tougher.


The Wings wouldn't spend a first round pick on a player because he is "the toughest fighter". Why draft a guy for being a fighter when you can easily pick one off of waivers.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 08:58 PM

Reading your first two posts, can't say I'm too convinced and sounds like you're just trying stir the pot here.


Think again

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:01 PM

:thumbup: that's the only name i'm watching for in the 1st round.

same here, i pray to god he falls to the wings spot and they go for him, we need another fischer/vladdy

The Wings wouldn't spend a first round pick on a player because he is "the toughest fighter". Why draft a guy for being a fighter when you can easily pick one off of waivers.

Agreed, but McIlraith is also a big time hitter and a sound defensive player, he wouldn't be in the top 20 for nothing.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:19 PM

depending if we go for a forward or a d-man...bet we end up with a Riley Sheahan or Jarred Tinordi...McIlrath will be gone i would think.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:40 PM

The Wings wouldn't spend a first round pick on a player because he is "the toughest fighter". Why draft a guy for being a fighter when you can easily pick one off of waivers.

No they wouldn't. They would pick him because he's the toughest player in the draft, with skills to match it.

If there was a guy as good as Mcilrath that didn't fight they would take Mcilrath over him because he is the "toughest fighter". He has the talent to be anywhere from a number 4 to number 2 defenseman. He wouldn't be ranked as high as he is just because he's the toughest fighter. Youre obviously undervaluing his skills because he is a fighter. You think he's just some enforcer type. Well he's not, he's a Derian Hatcher in his prime I'm thinking.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 09:52 PM

First Round

either...NICK BJUGSTAD, RILEY SHEAHAN or JARRED TINORDI

Second Round

either.. KIRIL KABANOV, TEEMU PULKKINEN, or OSCAR LINDBERG

Third Round

who knows...



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