Tommy_Like_Wingy 25 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 Easily the most deserving of the three nominees. Congrats to Pavs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 He is HOF worthy already. Next year should be a huge rebound year. Hart? Art Ross? Selke? Conn Smythe? Let's hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 I'm not entirely sure Pavel deserves it for his play this year - but it makes up for 3 years ago when he almost certainly did deserve it (1st in plus/minus, 1st in takeaways, top 10 in face-offs). He was by far the most deserving this year. Sure, he didn't score as many points as normal, but think about the constantly changing linemates he played with. There was literally no consistent 1st line all season. Personally, I forgive any point total from any of our players last season. If you look at his takeaways and point production after the Olympic break, he went beyond what he's done in year's past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zettie85 106 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 He was by far the most deserving this year. Sure, he didn't score as many points as normal, but think about the constantly changing linemates he played with. There was literally no consistent 1st line all season. Personally, I forgive any point total from any of our players last season. If you look at his takeaways and point production after the Olympic break, he went beyond what he's done in year's past. Exactly. Point totals should never matter when it comes to a defensive award. He is still the best in the league and he did show it all year. Congrats Pascha, you bloody well do deserve it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Haha, Luc Robitaille presented him the trophy. I remember when Dave Lewis experimented with a Datsyuk-Robitaille pairing. That didn't last very long. EDIT: Forgot the word, "last". Edited June 24, 2010 by titanium2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 I didn't see the Awards show and don't have speakers on the computer that I'm on. Can anybody go through the trouble of transcribing his speech for me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 He was by far the most deserving this year. Sure, he didn't score as many points as normal, but think about the constantly changing linemates he played with. There was literally no consistent 1st line all season. Personally, I forgive any point total from any of our players last season. If you look at his takeaways and point production after the Olympic break, he went beyond what he's done in year's past. Well, I never mentioned points totals - you Newfy & Zetty brought that into the discussion. I just happen to think that his all around play last season did not match his standards of the previous 3 seasons. At times he was like the old Pav, but never night in, night out like we've gotten used to. Helps that he was in a weak class this year, but like I said, this is for the one he deserved to win in 2007 - but the rest of the league hadn't caught on to his defensive brilliance just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_redwing 495 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 They should re-name some of these awards the Pavel Dastyuk award for greatness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Datsyuk is awfully close to being a lock for the Hall of Fame now. 3 Selke trophies is outstanding, tied with Carbonneau and Lehtinen and only behind Gainey. The book Ultimate Hockey lists retroactive Selke winners: 6 Nighbor 5 Pavelich 4 Metz 4 Klukay 4 Provost 3 Berlinquette 3 Lepine 3 Finnigan 3 Keon 3 Clarke And Gainey wins one more for a total of 5. Edited June 24, 2010 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) His Career totals will be lower that others because he was a late bloomer but i would have to think that him going down as the best two way player in the history of the game would help a lot. Too bad he won't. Repeatedly winning an award that's put in place sixty years after the league started that is often awarded to "good" defensive players who have strong offensive seasons ahead of "great" defensive players who aren't as offensively productive is hardly an indication that a player is the best two-way player in history if said player is one of the league's better offensive players. The Selke started out being given to the best defensive forwards, but in recent years has trended more towards being given to a guy who is among the league's better defensive forwards and has a good offensive season. Doug Gilmour and Kris Draper are the biggest examples. Michael Peca is another; he won the Selke in two of his three best offensive seasons, was nominated in the other one, finished fifth two other times. He was always a very good defensive player, penalty killer, and physical player, He wasn't significantly better defensively in 1997 or 2002 than he was in 1996, 1999, 2004, or 2006, yet he won in 97 and 02 and wasn't even considered in the other years. 2007-08 is the only time in his 14 year NHL career where he scored better than 0.5 points per game and did not finish fifth or better in Selke voting; he finished with 0.5 points per game. His offensive prime was a streak of seven seasons with four Selke nominations and two wins, but his worse offensive seasons did not see a significant defensive decline, yet saw Selke voters ignore him completely. Offense has a significant effect on the Selke. A further example? Yes, I will say Datsyuk. The year before he won his first Selke, 2006-07, he finished 20th and scored 87 points. Zetterberg finished 7th with 68 points (in 63 games), and Draper finished 8th with 29 points. The year before that? Dats scored 87 points and received no votes, Draper finished 6th with 32 points, and Z 9th with 85 points. Then Datsyuk scored 97 points and placed 4th in the league, and he wins the Selke. Odd, don't you think? Not saying he isn't excellent defensively; just odd that he suddenly puts up almost 100 points and boom, he has a Selke ahead of eight other teammates who recieved votes, two who is of similar age and received first-place votes, after Dats had been an afterthought for the award, only receiving a single first-place vote in his career. Personally, I think Z should have won the past two and Kesler this year. Dats is good but not the best, regardless of his awards. If he continues his great play, he'll be a lock for the HOF, and having won the Selke or not won't make a difference. Draper was a sub-30 point defensive specialist who is receiving secondary consideration. Suddenly due to team injuries he scored 24 goals and 40 points in 67 games and wins it. He goes back to his normal output and isn't near the Selke leaders ever again. Edited June 24, 2010 by eva unit zero 1 Finnish Wing reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 He is HOF worthy already. Next year should be a huge rebound year. Hart? Art Ross? Selke? Conn Smythe? Let's hope. Fully agreed. No other players in the league have the skills that Pavel has in both ends and really haven't seen anyone like this in the league in quite some time. I can only hope it can translate into a Hart, Selke,and Conn Smythe for sure too would mean a Cup. He is the most dynamic player in the NHL by far and it has really been a joy watching him play for the last 8+ years. With Pavel I will always say, all we can do is just sit back and watch the show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 No other players in the league have the skills that Pavel has in both ends and really haven't seen anyone like this in the league in quite some time. Zetterberg is Datsyuk's equal at least defensively. He scored exactly the same amount of points as him last season. He is FAR more clutch. As far as "nobody for quite some time" you must not have been watching hockey terribly recently. You know who Sergei Fedorov is, right? At his best, Fedorov was one of the league's five fastest skaters. He also had one of the hardest and most accurate shots, was a phenomenal playmaker, and was the league's top defensive forward. Fedorov also played a more physical game than Datsyuk does, although neither has ever been a Brendan Shanahan or Wendel Clark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) As far as "nobody for quite some time" you must not have been watching hockey terribly recently. You know who Sergei Fedorov is, right? Yeah, thanks for the overanalyzing as usual but... Have watched a terribly large amount of hockey and in the last 20 years (yes I have watched plenty of Fedorov) IMO I think Datsyuk hasn't been matched in stick skill, 2 way play, and creativity. Fedorov did not match that and maybe I should have put that out there for those like yourself who can do thread forensics with the best of them. Trust me I know how great Hank is in the defensive zone and playing against the top center nearly every night but IMO Pav is one of a kind and will again reiterate that there hasn't and won't be someone quite like him for sometime. Edited June 24, 2010 by HankthaTank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dicksmack 33 Report post Posted June 24, 2010 But Datsyuk isn't even the best defensive forward on his team... oh wait... Naysayers may have had a point with one Selke being a lark but three? Nope. It's official... This latest endorsement shows the continuing respect the hockey writers have for Pavel's defensive game as well as his puck thievery. In terms of his approach to the game (not his greatness) Bobby Orr was the first player to peerlessly use his offensive skills to play defense (stickhandling out of trouble, slowing the game down or counter-attacking to force the attacking team to play defense). Pavel is peerless at this type of thing today. Now, I not comparing Orr to Datsyuk in any other way but to spotlight that a great offensive player can defend in a non-traditional way that is more effective than his "shut down" types of contemporaries. How dare I use Datsyuk and Orr in the same sentence? I just did... but strictly in terms of some of the aspects of their approach to defense through offense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernWingsFan 854 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Like James Brown, this makes Pavel Datsyuk feel real good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted June 25, 2010 lol enough with that james brown clip already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharomyga 6 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 too bad he didn't attend the afterparty ((( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
