Cuts Continue for Hawks - Fraser Sent to Edmonton

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Expect to see injuries to Kane Teows and Hossa and their other top players due to the high amount of minutes they will be playing, due to the extreme lack of depth they will have. idk what they will do, most of there unsigned free agents are due a raise.....simply put they they are f***ed

Expect to see injuries to Kane Teows and Hossa and their other top players due to the high amount of minutes they will be playing, due to the extreme lack of depth they will have. idk what they will do, most of there unsigned free agents are due a raise.....simply put they they are f***ed

Now that I read it twice, I see what you mean....

[wings1110 184]

Now that I read it twice, I see what you mean....

haha idk how that happened

[HankthaTank 1,100]

haha idk how that happened

Its all good brotha! We are rockin the Abby avatars. We get mulligans and never ending edits all day!

[Frozen-Man 144]

As Broken 16 stated, not only are you not factoring in the chemistry lost, you're missing the boat on other key factors as well. Chiicago is gonna have to deal with another challenge next season that they haven't had to deal with in almost 50 years. Every team that plays them will gear up for it simply because everyone wants to play well against the defending champions.

As I've mentioned before, Chicago is most certainly not going to be a cellar-dweller next season, far from it. However, everything is not going to be as rosy as most Hawks homers seem to think its going to be. There's so much working against them next year given their horrid cap situation, the mental toughness of playing teams gearing up for them, playing on a short Summer and the fact that the chemistry they worked so hard to attain is about to take a massive hit.

All true, plus they have the problem of having Seabrook an RFA after next season so its not like their problems will be over soon.

[Dave82RWS 41]

The best thing they could have done is parted with one of those first line/first paring D men, and been a little weaker in the top line and been deeper through their roster.

Yea, makes sense to trade a Norris winner or his partner which helps make that one of if not the best D pairings in the league. Im sure everyone would love that!

If someone would take Brian Campbell on the other hand, the hawks would trade him. If it was possible, they wouldnt lose anybody else other then Huet, Sopel and a couple scrubs and would actually have money to improve on last year.

All true, plus they have the problem of having Seabrook an RFA after next season so its not like their problems will be over soon.

Dont Keith and Hossas front loaded cap hits start to go down after next year? They will be in far better shape in 2011-2012 then they are this year.

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Yea, makes sense to trade a Norris winner or his partner which helps make that one of if not the best D pairings in the league. Im sure everyone would love that!

If someone would take Brian Campbell

Not so fast! Can't see anyone taking on that freakin joke of an overpayment. Wouldn't even be able to talk the Rangers into something that cap ludicrous.

[eva unit zero 271]

Dont Keith and Hossas front loaded cap hits start to go down after next year? They will be in far better shape in 2011-2012 then they are this year.

No such thing as a front-loaded cap hit.

Front-loaded contracts have a high salary value early and then a low salary value later on so that the cap hit is lower.

An 8 year, $24m contract will have a $3m cap hit for all 8 years no matter what salary is being paid in any given season; it could be $1.5m for the first 2, $1.25m for two, $1m for two, $750k for two, and $500k for two or it could be $1.5m, $2m, $2.5m, $3m, $3m, $3.5m, $4m, $4.5 and the hit would be the same $3m in all 8 seasons.

[Shaman 713]

Yea, makes sense to trade a Norris winner or his partner which helps make that one of if not the best D pairings in the league. Im sure everyone would love that!

If someone would take Brian Campbell on the other hand, the hawks would trade him. If it was possible, they wouldnt lose anybody else other then Huet, Sopel and a couple scrubs and would actually have money to improve on last year.

Dont Keith and Hossas front loaded cap hits start to go down after next year? They will be in far better shape in 2011-2012 then they are this year.

I keep saying the most movable contract they have is Hossa's they can move him, get prospects, picks and probably won't have to take too much salary back.

[hudson 4]

As Broken 16 stated, not only are you not factoring in the chemistry lost, you're missing the boat on other key factors as well. Chiicago is gonna have to deal with another challenge next season that they haven't had to deal with in almost 50 years. Every team that plays them will gear up for it simply because everyone wants to play well against the defending champions.

As I've mentioned before, Chicago is most certainly not going to be a cellar-dweller next season, far from it. However, everything is not going to be as rosy as most Hawks homers seem to think its going to be. There's so much working against them next year given their horrid cap situation, the mental toughness of playing teams gearing up for them, playing on a short Summer and the fact that the chemistry they worked so hard to attain is about to take a massive hit.

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. Sorry.

The Hawks will fall back some. That was and is expected. I just don't think it will be as far as some here think or hope. They will be able to keep the core and a little more together. There actually is some talent coming up from the AHL. Its time to see if the organIzation is as good as Hawk fans hope. And there is also the veteran player on the cheap. We'll see. The Hawks are going to lose another player or two still but they will have at least as good a chance as the Wings next year. I'm OK with that.

Edited June 25, 2010 by hudson

[Broken 16 381]

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. Sorry.

When you have a professional hockey team in your city that wins a Stanley Cup every three years or so, anything the other teams accomplish is just a bonus. No, wait! You're from Chicago. You wouldn't know.

The Hawks will fall back some. That was and is expected. I just don't think it will be as far as some here think or hope. They will be able to keep the core and a little more together. There actually is some talent coming up from the AHL. Its time to see if the organIzation is as good as Hawk fans hope. And there is also the veteran player on the cheap. We'll see. The Hawks are going to lose another player or two still but they will have at least as good a chance as the Wings next year. I'm OK with that.

You're team isn't the only team that has lost talent because of the cap. Happens to the Wings too. See Ville Leino. The question will be how your team manages the cap. They are on the road to repair, but they still have a ways to go.

[Dave82RWS 41]

Why are some makin an issue over the chemistry of the hawks? Dowell, Bickell and Skille have all seen time with the hawks the past 3 years and have contributed. They also skated with the team during the playoffs, Bickell even saw time. Its not as if they are foreign to the team and the current roster is foreign to them. All those guys get along great with the rest of the team. Dowell and Bickell are actually upgrades over a concussed Eager who doesnt fight, and Dowell is easily an upgrade over Fraser both in terms of faceoffs and size and physicality.

Edited June 25, 2010 by Dave82RWS

[Original-Six 254]

Why are some makin an issue over the chemistry of the hawks? Dowell, Bickell and Skille have all seen time with the hawks the past 3 years

They all combined for 9 regular season games last year....

[Dave82RWS 41]

They all combined for 9 regular season games last year....

FAIL

This year - Bickell - 16 games plus a few playoffs, Dowell 3 games 2pts, Skille 6 games 2pts.

Last year Skille actually made the team out of camp I do believe.

[Buppy 1,720]

FAIL

This year - Bickell - 16 games plus a few playoffs, Dowell 3 games 2pts, Skille 6 games 2pts.

Last year Skille actually made the team out of camp I do believe.

Skille and Bickell aren't signed yet. They're RFAs, so there's a good chance they will sign, but you might want to hold off on buying their jerseys.

[Tommy_Like_Wingy 25]

Not to mention Buffs 11 playoff goals (tied for first on team) and 5 game winners....no big deal.

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

Edited June 25, 2010 by Tommy_Like_Wingy

[Shaman 713]

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

Ya tip ins are easy, thats why Homer is such a common player in this league

[Buppy 1,720]

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

Buffy might not be a player that can stand on his own, but he's a solid role-player, and those guys aren't that easy to find, at least not on the level he's capable of. He's overpaid though and apparently his ancestors couldn't spell, so he was about the best option to get rid of.

[Tommy_Like_Wingy 25]

Ya tip ins are easy, thats why Homer is such a common player in this league

Where did I say Holmstrom was a common player? Unless you're actually comparing Byfuglien's talent/experience level to Holmstrom in which case LOL.

And I said tap ins, not tip ins. A tap in from a few feet in front of the net can be accomplished by anyone. Byfuglien is a decent player but he was mainly a product of his line mates. Where was his production all year when he was coasting on the 3rd or 4th line or where ever they had him? Or was it just a coincidence that his point totals shot up once he had Toews and Kane feeding him the puck? He'll be average at best on Atlanta.

[Aussie_Wing 354]

They get a 6th for Fraser and we get a 5th for Leino.

Seems fair.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. Sorry.

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.

The Hawks will fall back some. That was and is expected. I just don't think it will be as far as some here think or hope. They will be able to keep the core and a little more together. There actually is some talent coming up from the AHL. Its time to see if the organIzation is as good as Hawk fans hope. And there is also the veteran player on the cheap. We'll see. The Hawks are going to lose another player or two still but they will have at least as good a chance as the Wings next year. I'm OK with that.

For the millionth time, *no one has said they will be a cellar-dweller!* Every rational fan here has stated ad-nauseam that the Blackhawks will take a step back. Nothing crippling, but larger than most after they've won the Cup. How do you continue to argue with me when I've consistently stated this over and over again?

Lastly, until your roster is rounded out I wouldn't claim the Hawks have atleast as good of a chance as the Wings next year. The Wings are coming off one of their most injury-riddled seasons in recent memory and when they finally got healthy they played like the team they are, which (FYI) also happened to be the best in the league. Now, the team is coming back healthy, with more cap room and with the dead-weight cut (I.E. Lebda, Williams).

[Joseph Franks 17]

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.

For the millionth time, *no one has said they will be a cellar-dweller!* Every rational fan here has stated ad-nauseam that the Blackhawks will take a step back. Nothing crippling, but larger than most after they've won the Cup. How do you continue to argue with me when I've consistently stated this over and over again?

Lastly, until your roster is rounded out I wouldn't claim the Hawks have atleast as good of a chance as the Wings next year. The Wings are coming off one of their most injury-riddled seasons in recent memory and when they finally got healthy they played like the team they are, which (FYI) also happened to be the best in the league. Now, the team is coming back healthy, with more cap room and with the dead-weight cut (I.E. Lebda, Williams).

I agree. I don't expect the Hawks to plummet out of the playoffs or anything, but they did by and large sacrifice a great deal to put together the cup team they built. I'm not taking anything away from them....god knows we did the same thing in 2002. We just happened to have half our team signing up for nursing homes the following year instead of being traded off. But all in all I think the Hawks had a talent "one-up" on most of the league this past season, and the team they have next year will be more on par with the rest of the league. The only thing I wonder is....would they have made it if they didn't have Buff this year? He did SO much for them during the run that he gained the exclusive attention of Chris Pronger all finals long. It wasn't Toews or Kane that they stuck Pronger on, it was Buff. Would they have taken the cup? Sure, it's a possibility, but the odds against them would have been much higher.

Not having Buff in their lineup would have been like us not having Franzen's breakout in 2008.

For the Wings, I'll think we'll have a much better season. But we've got a lot of variables. We can rest assured that Pav and Hank are going to do well. Howard will likely get back on track. It's some of our older guys that will make or break it. Lidstrom will be a star defense-man as always, but I'm pretty sure his Norris days are behind him. Holmstrom is ever effective, but it seems less and less notably so each year. Bert could go up or down on a whim. Then our new wave of guys, while none of them entirely new....I'm referring to Flip, Abby, etc. A little breakout season from them could be the difference in getting the Presidents trophy or not.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Dont Keith and Hossas front loaded cap hits start to go down after next year? They will be in far better shape in 2011-2012 then they are this year.

There is no such thing as a front loaded cap hit, the cap hit is the average of all of the contract divided evenly between the years of the contract. Hossa's salary will be a cap hit of $5.233M every year though the 2020-2021 season and Keith's will be $5.551M per year even longer than that but aside from that even their actual salaries will not start to decline until 2013/2014 (Keith) and and 2016/2017 (Hossa)

A tap in from a few feet in front of the net can be accomplished by anyone. Byfuglien is a decent player but he was mainly a product of his line mates. Where was his production all year when he was coasting on the 3rd or 4th line or where ever they had him? Or was it just a coincidence that his point totals shot up once he had Toews and Kane feeding him the puck? He'll be average at best on Atlanta.

If it can be accomplished by anyone why were the Hawks paying him $3M per year? Oh and if he is just a decent player why was he playing with Toews and Kane?

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.

[Original-Six 254]

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

And im sure Holmstrom's goals (that are also 5ft from the net) have nothing to do with Datsyuk or his other line mates... Buff was like a cog in a machine just like Homer is with the Wings. He played his roll and did it well. Come playoffs next year i can guarantee you the Hawks are going to miss their 257 pound net presence.

Edited June 25, 2010 by Original-Six

[newfy 695]

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. Sorry.

Its been since the 80's that the Bears won a superbowl so sure you have a decent team but not exactly championship upon championship.

The pistons are one of the most successful teams in basketball this past decade.

The tigers have been successful, went to the world series in 2006 if I'm correct. How have those cubs been?

Chicago's only somewhat consistent team is the Bears and even they havent won a championship in how long? We have the best hockey dynasty the last 20 years and one of the best in basketball the past decade. Our only bad team is the lions.

[Frozen-Man 144]

Its been since the 80's that the Bears won a superbowl so sure you have a decent team but not exactly championship upon championship.

The pistons are one of the most successful teams in basketball this past decade.

The tigers have been successful, went to the world series in 2006 if I'm correct. How have those cubs been?

Chicago's only somewhat consistent team is the Bears and even they havent won a championship in how long? We have the best hockey dynasty the last 20 years and one of the best in basketball the past decade. Our only bad team is the lions.

Plus hockey trumps all other sports by such a large margin that they don't really matter. :siren: