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#61 Dave82RWS

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 10:02 PM

Why are some makin an issue over the chemistry of the hawks? Dowell, Bickell and Skille have all seen time with the hawks the past 3 years and have contributed. They also skated with the team during the playoffs, Bickell even saw time. Its not as if they are foreign to the team and the current roster is foreign to them. All those guys get along great with the rest of the team. Dowell and Bickell are actually upgrades over a concussed Eager who doesnt fight, and Dowell is easily an upgrade over Fraser both in terms of faceoffs and size and physicality.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 10:07 PM

Why are some makin an issue over the chemistry of the hawks? Dowell, Bickell and Skille have all seen time with the hawks the past 3 years


They all combined for 9 regular season games last year....

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 10:18 PM

They all combined for 9 regular season games last year....


FAIL

This year - Bickell - 16 games plus a few playoffs, Dowell 3 games 2pts, Skille 6 games 2pts.
Last year Skille actually made the team out of camp I do believe.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:06 PM

FAIL

This year - Bickell - 16 games plus a few playoffs, Dowell 3 games 2pts, Skille 6 games 2pts.
Last year Skille actually made the team out of camp I do believe.


Skille and Bickell aren't signed yet. They're RFAs, so there's a good chance they will sign, but you might want to hold off on buying their jerseys.

#65 Tommy_Like_Wingy

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:28 PM

Not to mention Buffs 11 playoff goals (tied for first on team) and 5 game winners....no big deal.


Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

Edited by Tommy_Like_Wingy, 24 June 2010 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:49 AM

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.

Ya tip ins are easy, thats why Homer is such a common player in this league :rolleyes:
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Posted 25 June 2010 - 12:59 AM

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.


Buffy might not be a player that can stand on his own, but he's a solid role-player, and those guys aren't that easy to find, at least not on the level he's capable of. He's overpaid though and apparently his ancestors couldn't spell, so he was about the best option to get rid of.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 03:37 AM

Ya tip ins are easy, thats why Homer is such a common player in this league :rolleyes:


Where did I say Holmstrom was a common player? Unless you're actually comparing Byfuglien's talent/experience level to Holmstrom in which case LOL.

And I said tap ins, not tip ins. A tap in from a few feet in front of the net can be accomplished by anyone. Byfuglien is a decent player but he was mainly a product of his line mates. Where was his production all year when he was coasting on the 3rd or 4th line or where ever they had him? Or was it just a coincidence that his point totals shot up once he had Toews and Kane feeding him the puck? He'll be average at best on Atlanta.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 03:50 AM

They get a 6th for Fraser and we get a 5th for Leino.

Seems fair.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:59 AM

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. :) Sorry.

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.

The Hawks will fall back some. That was and is expected. I just don't think it will be as far as some here think or hope. They will be able to keep the core and a little more together. There actually is some talent coming up from the AHL. Its time to see if the organIzation is as good as Hawk fans hope. And there is also the veteran player on the cheap. We'll see. The Hawks are going to lose another player or two still but they will have at least as good a chance as the Wings next year. I'm OK with that.

For the millionth time, *no one has said they will be a cellar-dweller!* Every rational fan here has stated ad-nauseam that the Blackhawks will take a step back. Nothing crippling, but larger than most after they've won the Cup. How do you continue to argue with me when I've consistently stated this over and over again?

Lastly, until your roster is rounded out I wouldn't claim the Hawks have atleast as good of a chance as the Wings next year. The Wings are coming off one of their most injury-riddled seasons in recent memory and when they finally got healthy they played like the team they are, which (FYI) also happened to be the best in the league. Now, the team is coming back healthy, with more cap room and with the dead-weight cut (I.E. Lebda, Williams).
It's amazing how much clarity comes when you care more about the Red Wings than any individual player.


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Posted 25 June 2010 - 09:22 AM

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.


For the millionth time, *no one has said they will be a cellar-dweller!* Every rational fan here has stated ad-nauseam that the Blackhawks will take a step back. Nothing crippling, but larger than most after they've won the Cup. How do you continue to argue with me when I've consistently stated this over and over again?

Lastly, until your roster is rounded out I wouldn't claim the Hawks have atleast as good of a chance as the Wings next year. The Wings are coming off one of their most injury-riddled seasons in recent memory and when they finally got healthy they played like the team they are, which (FYI) also happened to be the best in the league. Now, the team is coming back healthy, with more cap room and with the dead-weight cut (I.E. Lebda, Williams).


I agree. I don't expect the Hawks to plummet out of the playoffs or anything, but they did by and large sacrifice a great deal to put together the cup team they built. I'm not taking anything away from them....god knows we did the same thing in 2002. We just happened to have half our team signing up for nursing homes the following year instead of being traded off. But all in all I think the Hawks had a talent "one-up" on most of the league this past season, and the team they have next year will be more on par with the rest of the league. The only thing I wonder is....would they have made it if they didn't have Buff this year? He did SO much for them during the run that he gained the exclusive attention of Chris Pronger all finals long. It wasn't Toews or Kane that they stuck Pronger on, it was Buff. Would they have taken the cup? Sure, it's a possibility, but the odds against them would have been much higher.

Not having Buff in their lineup would have been like us not having Franzen's breakout in 2008.

For the Wings, I'll think we'll have a much better season. But we've got a lot of variables. We can rest assured that Pav and Hank are going to do well. Howard will likely get back on track. It's some of our older guys that will make or break it. Lidstrom will be a star defense-man as always, but I'm pretty sure his Norris days are behind him. Holmstrom is ever effective, but it seems less and less notably so each year. Bert could go up or down on a whim. Then our new wave of guys, while none of them entirely new....I'm referring to Flip, Abby, etc. A little breakout season from them could be the difference in getting the Presidents trophy or not.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 10:03 AM

Dont Keith and Hossas front loaded cap hits start to go down after next year? They will be in far better shape in 2011-2012 then they are this year.


There is no such thing as a front loaded cap hit, the cap hit is the average of all of the contract divided evenly between the years of the contract. Hossa's salary will be a cap hit of $5.233M every year though the 2020-2021 season and Keith's will be $5.551M per year even longer than that but aside from that even their actual salaries will not start to decline until 2013/2014 (Keith) and and 2016/2017 (Hossa)



A tap in from a few feet in front of the net can be accomplished by anyone. Byfuglien is a decent player but he was mainly a product of his line mates. Where was his production all year when he was coasting on the 3rd or 4th line or where ever they had him? Or was it just a coincidence that his point totals shot up once he had Toews and Kane feeding him the puck? He'll be average at best on Atlanta.

If it can be accomplished by anyone why were the Hawks paying him $3M per year? Oh and if he is just a decent player why was he playing with Toews and Kane?

<----Check my location jerky, I'm from Green Bay, WI. I couldn't care less about any Detroit team aside from the Wings. Although, I do enjoy the Packers embarrassing the Bears year after year.



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Posted 25 June 2010 - 10:17 AM

Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do with being on a line with Toews and Kane.

From what I saw in the playoffs all of Byfuglien's goals came from 5ft out or closer, basically tap ins. Who can't score those?

I think people seriously overrate Byfuglien. Let's see how great he is in Atlanta without two big names on his line.


And im sure Holmstrom's goals (that are also 5ft from the net) have nothing to do with Datsyuk or his other line mates... Buff was like a cog in a machine just like Homer is with the Wings. He played his roll and did it well. Come playoffs next year i can guarantee you the Hawks are going to miss their 257 pound net presence.

Edited by Original-Six, 25 June 2010 - 10:30 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2010 - 11:03 AM

Understood. But you make sound like Hawks fans are not capable of understanding that their will be different challenges to a defending championship team than their was to young unproven team like this year's team. Yeah I know its been a long time since the Hawks have won. But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. :) Sorry.


Its been since the 80's that the Bears won a superbowl so sure you have a decent team but not exactly championship upon championship.

The pistons are one of the most successful teams in basketball this past decade.

The tigers have been successful, went to the world series in 2006 if I'm correct. How have those cubs been?

Chicago's only somewhat consistent team is the Bears and even they havent won a championship in how long? We have the best hockey dynasty the last 20 years and one of the best in basketball the past decade. Our only bad team is the lions.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 11:12 AM

Its been since the 80's that the Bears won a superbowl so sure you have a decent team but not exactly championship upon championship.

The pistons are one of the most successful teams in basketball this past decade.

The tigers have been successful, went to the world series in 2006 if I'm correct. How have those cubs been?

Chicago's only somewhat consistent team is the Bears and even they havent won a championship in how long? We have the best hockey dynasty the last 20 years and one of the best in basketball the past decade. Our only bad team is the lions.


Plus hockey trumps all other sports by such a large margin that they don't really matter. :siren: :siren: :siren:

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 11:22 AM

But Chicago does have other pro sports teams that have been successful. No, wait! Your from Detroit. You wouldn't know. :) Sorry.

He wouldn't but I would.... I actually follow Chicago sports quite closely as they are most of the time in our divisions in all sports. Granted as Broken 16 has stated hockey is all that matters and our last 20 years have been an amazing ride but I digress...

White Sox 2005 (before that 1917)
Chicago Cubs :lol: (1908) yep we all know that one
Chicago Blackhawks obviously this year (before that 1961) had a nice little run of playoffs but nothing to show but a Final in 91-92. Biggest bunch of "when do the playoffs start" caring fans too.
Chicago Bulls..maybe your only trump card but....basketball NEXT!
Chicago Bears 1985. And yes our Lions lose ALOT but we hang in there through and through. I have been in and out of the city of Chicago my whole life and you guys are a great place to visit and Wrigley is a great time but I must tell you this, your fans are just utter horses*** and would never match what Detroit has.


EDIT: Forgot to add a loss to the Colts in the 2006 Super Bowl as well.

Edited by HankthaTank, 25 June 2010 - 11:33 AM.

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