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#141 Opie

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 03:59 PM

NO but the only way your boy Huds makes one of the top two lines is if Dats and Hank are not reunited, so you keep making lines with Huds on one of the top 2 lines, thus demoting a clear second line center to the 3rd line.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 04:47 PM


Why does everyone assume that because I'm putting someone on the third line it's the same as saying "Dude, you suck s*** balls."

This isn't the 1980-1995 Red Wings. 45 minutes of even strength play per game. Say 9 for the fourth line. That leaves 36 for the top three. The top two lines I listed are basically equal, with Savard's a step behind. So maybe 12.5, 12, 11.5 minutes. Then you have special teams. Of the 7-8 minutes per game at special teams, Savard probably gets 2 minutes. He'd be getting around 14 minutes per game or so with some damn good players. Yes, his numbers probably drop a bit from being a 20-minute player. But I doubt he'd really give a s*** if he wins a Cup, or three or four.

Which would you prefer? 85-95 points a season with no Cups over five seasons, or 55-65 points a season with two-three Cups in the same five seasons?

I know my answer.

While you're at it why not drop Lidstrom down to the 3rd pairing?...It'll really improve Ericsson's game.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 05:54 PM

i would trade anyone on the wings for savard, he plays the same style as danglers like holmstrom and kronwall.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 05:59 PM

NO but the only way your boy Huds makes one of the top two lines is if Dats and Hank are not reunited, so you keep making lines with Huds on one of the top 2 lines, thus demoting a clear second line center to the 3rd line.


So we have 6 players who can score more than 57pts a season? Didn't think so.

Nice try, though. It typically doesn't benefit the team to try and bury a 2.875 million dollar scoring winger on the checking line when he isn't an effective checker.
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Posted 29 June 2010 - 07:22 PM

Drake whom are you refering to?

You would put Hudler in the top 6 over Savard? Or Homer? (he is only useful there) or Mule?

I won't bother making lines, but since it has been stated that Z and D will be paired together, most likely with Homer.

That puts Flip, Mule and Savard, or I suppose Hud Mule Savard if you like.

And a third line of Bert Abby/Flip Huds/Cleary something along those lines. I would rather have Flip in the top 6 than Hudler, myself.

Instead you would rather have Hudler in the top six and Savard centering the third line? (this was what my comment was based on, Eva wanting Savard to center the third line)

Edit: Since after all the premise of my post was that Savard would (He won't be so the point is moot) be a Wing next season, and I am not sure but the 4th not third line is the checking line IMO, the third line especially in Det is a scoring line.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:18 PM

There would probably be mid-round picks involved somehow, I was just dealing with the roster players. Detroit probably gives up 2 picks somewhere between the 2nd and 4th round, which both end up going to Boston.

That would provide the following lineup:

Hudler/Zetterberg/Franzen
Filppula/Datsyuk/Holmstrom
Bertuzzi/Savard/Eaves
Abdelkader/Helm/Cleary
Draper

Lidstrom/Ericsson
Kronwall/Rafalski
Kindl/Coburn
Meech

Savard/Eaves is a particular combo that I like; Eaves and Kessel are not terribly different players offensively. Both are fast players with good shots. The major difference is that one of them got to play with one of the league's five best playmakers almost 20 minutes a game. Savard has always worked well with a speedy winger who can shoot; this was true in Boston, Atlanta, and even in Calgary. He was feeding Kovalchuk's during Kovalchuk's best years. In Calgary he worked well when he was played with Iginla and/or V.Bure, both of whom are speedy wingers who have decent shots. He's the classic playmaking center.

...top line? :hysterical:

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:25 PM

Drake whom are you refering to?

You would put Hudler in the top 6 over Savard? Or Homer? (he is only useful there) or Mule?

I won't bother making lines, but since it has been stated that Z and D will be paired together, most likely with Homer.

That puts Flip, Mule and Savard, or I suppose Hud Mule Savard if you like.

And a third line of Bert Abby/Flip Huds/Cleary something along those lines. I would rather have Flip in the top 6 than Hudler, myself.

Instead you would rather have Hudler in the top six and Savard centering the third line? (this was what my comment was based on, Eva wanting Savard to center the third line)

Edit: Since after all the premise of my post was that Savard would (He won't be so the point is moot) be a Wing next season, and I am not sure but the 4th not third line is the checking line IMO, the third line especially in Det is a scoring line.

These are the same slappies that think Hudler is better than Savard or even Bobby Ryan. I don't know how many times it needs to be explained... This team is heads and tails better with Savard or Ryan on it than Hudler. Not knocking Hudler and his potential 50 plus points, but not one person can put up a legit argument that he is better than Ryan or Savard. We are just speaking of potential when we say he is expected to score 70 points, but the POTENTIAL of Ryan or Savard is superstardom...

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:43 PM

I thought I recently read that Detroit wasn't even on the list after all.


Here is what I recently read, I just found it.

Toronto as the front-runner for family reasons. Chicago, Montreal, Ottawa and Philadelphia are the others, according to multiple media reports.


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Posted 29 June 2010 - 10:16 PM

Drake whom are you refering to?

You would put Hudler in the top 6 over Savard? Or Homer? (he is only useful there) or Mule?

I won't bother making lines, but since it has been stated that Z and D will be paired together, most likely with Homer.

That puts Flip, Mule and Savard, or I suppose Hud Mule Savard if you like.

And a third line of Bert Abby/Flip Huds/Cleary something along those lines. I would rather have Flip in the top 6 than Hudler, myself.

Instead you would rather have Hudler in the top six and Savard centering the third line? (this was what my comment was based on, Eva wanting Savard to center the third line)

Edit: Since after all the premise of my post was that Savard would (He won't be so the point is moot) be a Wing next season, and I am not sure but the 4th not third line is the checking line IMO, the third line especially in Det is a scoring line.


I wasn't really thinking about the lines with Savard. My mind was on the lines without FA signings. Sorry.

Yeah, if we had Savard as the 3rd line centre I'd be more than happy to see Hudler as the recipient of his passes. Savard is a world class centre so that would make our 3rd line insane.

These are the same slappies that think Hudler is better than Savard or even Bobby Ryan. I don't know how many times it needs to be explained... This team is heads and tails better with Savard or Ryan on it than Hudler. Not knocking Hudler and his potential 50 plus points, but not one person can put up a legit argument that he is better than Ryan or Savard. We are just speaking of potential when we say he is expected to score 70 points, but the POTENTIAL of Ryan or Savard is superstardom...


Do you post about anything other than Hudler? I swear it's like he slept with your wife or something.
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Posted 30 June 2010 - 12:28 AM

While you're at it why not drop Lidstrom down to the 3rd pairing?...It'll really improve Ericsson's game.


Actually, I would pair Ericsson with Lidstrom next season FYI. Kronwall with Rafalski and Kindl with Stuart. That's how I would start anyway, unless Meech outplays Ericsson/Kindl going into the season, at which point Meech probably lines up with Stuart. Just because a player is on a certain line doesn't mean he's getting 5 or 10 or 20 or 30 minutes. It's not like every second of every even strength shift Lidstrom and Rafalski were always together, and when changing they ALWAYS hit the bench within a second or two of each other.

Get realistic here. Your top six forwards don't HAVE to be all on your top two lines, nor do your top three on your top line. In fact, both of those ideas, IMO, take away from your team's depth considerably unless you have a strong defensive shutdown line as your third line. My Bert/Savard/Eaves line was intended to take advantage of the fact that A) Savard is a great playmaker, B) Bert has a strong net presence, and C) Eaves is the kind of speedy winger with a good shot that tends to work well alongside Savard. I already explained that combo. Hudler fits better with Z and Franzen IMO, while Flip fits better with Dats and Homer. It's not a matter of "Hudler has to be on the first line" because any one of the top three lines could be the "first line" on any given night, based on which line is playing the best. Granted, the Savard line isn't quite as stacked, but there's no reason it can't get hot and have some great nights, or even hot streaks.

If you want to put Savard on the top two lines and put the old eurotwin line back together and you are absolutely set on keeping it forever, then here's your unit.

Dats/Z/Homer
Hudler/Savard/Franzen
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Eaves
Draper

Yes, the top line is loaded. But the second line and the third line are not going to provide nearly as much offense. Do you think this setup provides as much scoring as my lineup with a third line of Bertuzzi/Savard/Eaves does? I doubt it. Franzen will be heavily focused on because the next best scorer on his line is Hudler, instead of Z, and the D/Z/H line will see much heavier defensive coverage because the other team can plan for one big line instead of two. And the third line can't make up for that missing offense because it's less offensively skilled than my third line is.

Of course it doesn't matter, because Savard isn't coming to Detroit for Stuart; it would require a forward - most likely Filppula or (if he waives his NTC) Cleary - going the other way, plus likely Ericsson or Kindl and a 4th-5th round pick, and Detroit would get Savard and maybe a 2nd-3rd rounder.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 04:17 AM

Do you post about anything other than Hudler? I swear it's like he slept with your wife or something.

yes, yes I do. But considering this thread is basically about Hudler and Savard, and even the OP said trade Hudler for Savard, I guess there should be no problem that I post about Hudler. ALso since I really dislike him, I naturally gravitate towards other threads that are about him, so it seems like thats all I post about. I do give him his credit and agree he will make this team better, but he is not the answer to the Stanley Cup. This team needs to get a hell of a lot better than just adding Hudler if they want to win it all again. That being said, maybe he did sleep with my wife, at least that would explain my dislike for the guy! :P

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:04 AM

Filppula>Hudler

And we all know my opinion is fact, so thats the end of it...were we even talking about that? I didn't read the thread as it all seemed to be about that little midget known as Hudler. I would not like to spend time reading about him in any sense.

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Posted 30 June 2010 - 08:22 AM

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Dats/Z/Homer
Hudler/Savard/Franzen
Cleary/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Abdelkader/Helm/Eaves
Draper

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Now this would make sense.

For what it's worth - I don't believe there's any interest by Holland in acquiring Savard.

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