jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Now that we can see how ridiculous all of the pansy diving that is going on in the world cup looks like, it is time for the nhl to make a stance on diving. I think all diving should be a 2 min penalty plus a 2 min unsportsmanlike, 10 min for the second dive in a game, and have the original penalty to the other player not be called, just the diving penalty. Also I think players should be fined hard for blatant dives. 1 Hockeymom1960 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titanium2 867 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 It won't be as long as Bettman's bottom ***** likes to use it occasionally as part of his repertoire. 1 SaCkaveli20 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Hate diving, but I think there are other more pressing issues that should be dealt with first. Diving is a part of the game, thankfully not nearly as much as it is in soccer, but I think it will always be there. Its a technique to draw a penalty, and oftentimes it works. I doubt they will change the rules on it, but I really wish they would enforce it. My biggest issue with diving penalties is that it seems like whenever a dive is called on a player, another penalty is called on the other team that cancels it out. This has never made any sense to me. If the player was diving, then a penalty wasn't committed against him. Or if it WAS a real penalty, than the other player obviously wasn't diving. Boggles my mind that this is how its done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 I also believe they should review dives that the referees missed and assess fines, embellishment on a high stick is one thing, and I don't really consider it diving unless you really were not hit by a stick, but the sheer amount of diving in this league is reaching an unbearable level. 1 Hossa4Life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 My biggest issue with diving penalties is that it seems like whenever a dive is called on a player, another penalty is called on the other team that cancels it out. This has never made any sense to me. If the player was diving, then a penalty wasn't committed against him. Or if it WAS a real penalty, than the other player obviously wasn't diving. Boggles my mind that this is how its done. I think sometimes it makes sense and other times it doesn't. On a tripping call, I agree, it has to be either a trip or a dive. However with such weak hooking calls being handed out, it's certainly possible that a hook and a dive can occur on the same play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Diving is a part of the game, umm...no. At least it shouldn't be. I cant stand it when athletes dive,fake or embellish to draw a penalty/foul regardless of the sport. Edited June 25, 2010 by Original-Six Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 umm...no. At least it shouldn't be. I cant stand it when athletes dive,fake or embellish to draw a penalty/foul regardless of the sport. Umm... yes, it is. I didn't say it should be. Just that it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Umm... yes, it is. I didn't say it should be. Just that it is. Thats why i said it shouldn't be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Echolalia 2,961 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 I like 2 minutes for diving, regardless of how many times per game or per season one commits the penalty. No fines, that's a bit ridiculous IMO, but I would like to see the other penalty negated if a player dives on a legit penalty. 2 Finnish Wing and Frozen-Man reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 They just need to start calling them. They have the penalty, its in the rule books, but they don't call them. I don't think anything needs to change with the rules, just send a memo out to refs and GMs saying they will crack down on it. Ideally they call a lot of them early in the season and the players stop doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Holliday 1,888 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Hard to call the dive in such a fast paced game when even on replays it isn't always definitive if the player embellished/dove on the call or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Original-Six 254 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) They just need to make the calls like this. I couldn't believe it when it happened I was like "Wait what? A diving penalty? About time they called that s***." Just make the calls and the diving will start to fade away. Or at least the real obvious crap like this. (No I'm not using this video to bash Crosby, it just happens to be a perfect example) Edited June 25, 2010 by Original-Six Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jollymania 162 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 show this vid to nhl refs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 show this vid to nhl refs You could show that or... you could show every game that Devin Setoguchi plays in. Either one is quite effective. 2 Hockeymom1960 and Branton87 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 The playoffs last season were a joke with all the diving and such, not to mention all the bad calls indirectly called. Nabakov was one of the worst for this and hes a goaltender, he dove against Colorado, Detroit and Chicago when he was barely touched and got the call everytime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Rules against diving need to be enforced. It's such bulls*** that players can get away with anything. If a ref thinks a player is diving, then he needs to be penalized. If he's wrong and it was legit, it's not like the refs always make the right calls anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NomadFromKazoo 42 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 I also believe they should review dives that the referees missed and assess fines Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm so sick of diving and I agree that's one that should be assessed after the game. I'd like to have them review tapes for dives during games, but in reality it'd just be too onerous. Goalies as well. The playoffs last season were a joke with all the diving and such, not to mention all the bad calls indirectly called. Nabakov was one of the worst for this and hes a goaltender, he dove against Colorado, Detroit and Chicago when he was barely touched and got the call everytime. So did Hasek. He should have been called for some dives in his time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DatsyukianDekes 2,428 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 Now that's what I'm talking about. I'm so sick of diving and I agree that's one that should be assessed after the game. I'd like to have them review tapes for dives during games, but in reality it'd just be too onerous. Goalies as well. So did Hasek. He should have been called for some dives in his time. im not denying that, im just talking about this years playoffs, I was very disappointed with a lot of the calls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 It would have been nice to really pay attention to this rule during the San Jose series. Especially with Setoguchi... That being said, I highly doubt they change anything. There's too much room for error. Though, I do agree that if diving is called, the other penalty shouldn't be; it doesn't make much sense to me at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 There's too much room for error. So it might make the correct call percentage go from 50% to 49%? Big deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 So it might make the correct call percentage go from 50% to 49%? Big deal. I'm not saying that's why I personally don't want diving calls... I'm saying that'd be the league's stance. Pretty much anything that involves too much discretion goes downhill with them. "Intent to blow the whistle" being one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted June 25, 2010 The league was effective when it fined for diving and published the fines (using video review). The NHLPA threw a fit and it was done away with. It just can't be effectively deterred at ice level. 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,788 Report post Posted June 26, 2010 I agree with the OP. A few years ago diving was called frequently, but now it's become ignored and even rewarded, which is bad for hockey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotty99 302 Report post Posted June 26, 2010 I would love for something to be done about diving. It's the worst part of just about any sport. Luckily it's not as bad in the NHL as some other sports *cough* NBA *cough* Look at soccer, I mean no offense to soccer fans, but I have found the world cup to be just about unwatchable. The diving is a joke. The problem, like a few have said, is that it's such a hard call for a ref to make in real time. People dive because it works. I'd love to see a post game fine system implemented but it would never happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SDavis35 140 Report post Posted June 26, 2010 to be honest, i still think they need to call fewer penalties... or at least make it tougher to draw a penalty. If you just tap a guy on the wrist you get called for a hook... whereas it should be (imo) a hook IF the player slows down. It would make the league a whole lot tougher and in theory would reduce the flopping on every little thing. 1 crotty99 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites