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#1 redwingmachine

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 05:00 PM

This posted on NHL.com about an hour ago...

http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=533523

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying this? :hehe:

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 05:05 PM

Who's next Hjmarsson(sp) or Niemi?

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 05:08 PM

HAHA... HAHA... HA-EFFING-HA!

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 05:40 PM

This posted on NHL.com about an hour ago...

http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=533523

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying this? :hehe:


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Posted 01 July 2010 - 05:52 PM

******* sucks to be a blackhawk since they won a cup

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 06:13 PM

Can't suck that hard to be a Hawks fan. They did just win the cup.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 06:43 PM

******* sucks to be a blackhawk since they won a cup


Meh, not really. We knew this was coming even before they won the Cup. The Cup made it pretty east to swallow.

We're going from a powerhouse to a team that is still good. We'll still finish with 95 or more points next season and we're stacking our farm system with quality forwards for the future. Not stars, but we'll be churning quality Versteeg/Ladd type forwards for a long time, and considered we already have the star type guys locked up long term, we're in good shape for the future.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 06:45 PM

Meh, not really. We knew this was coming even before they won the Cup. The Cup made it pretty east to swallow.

We're going from a powerhouse to a team that is still good. We'll still finish with 95 or more points next season and we're stacking our farm system with quality forwards for the future. Not stars, but we'll be churning quality Versteeg/Ladd type forwards for a long time, and considered we already have the star type guys locked up long term, we're in good shape for the future.


I hope after all this is over you stick around this forum. You're more sensible then most people on here.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 06:46 PM

stacking our farm system with quality forwards for the future.

This is a way of not seeing what is actually happening to the team. I mean to be totally honest it took 10 straight garbage years to get the stars you do have now. So I guess every 10 or so years is nice?
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 06:47 PM

And don't forget they're not going to be drafting as high anymore either. This could get interesting.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:18 PM

What gets me is how much Atlanta keeps giving the Hawks. Don't other GM's know that the Hawks HAVE to trade these guys? Doesn't that allow them bargaining power to drive down the cost of Ladd (a fringe second line player)? Or for that matter, Byufglien (who's never had a 40 point season)?

Atlanta has basically restocked Chicago's fourth line and their farm system for SUPPORTING players. Vishnevsky (who equals Lehtonen) and a second rounder for Ladd? Its rediculous.

Atlanta traded most of what they got for Kovalchuk (THE Franchise) and Lehtonen (former franchise goaltender) for depth players. It's like Phaneuf for B.Burke's odd's and end's.

Chicago should be ecstatic.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:24 PM

This is a way of not seeing what is actually happening to the team. I mean to be totally honest it took 10 straight garbage years to get the stars you do have now. So I guess every 10 or so years is nice?


Huh? I don't understand your point.

For forwards, we have Kane, Toews, and Hossa all locked up long term. We don't need to produce star forwards for a while. All we need is to produce quality forwards to pair with them, and we're setting ourselves up great for that.

No offense, but I kind of feel you you're the one who isn't seeing what's happening with the team. At the same time we're losing these guys, we're getting back guys who should be just as good as the guys we're giving up in a few years.

I think the future looks very good for us. We may not win the Cup in the next couple years, but we'll still be good. Then in a few years, we'll have a bunch of these Ladd/Versteeg type forwards producing in the NHL. Also, Kane and Toews will just then be hitting their primes.

In fact, I think these moves are helping us long-term, not hurting us.

Edited by Gordon Bombay, 01 July 2010 - 08:28 PM.


#13 Gordon Bombay

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

Chicago should be ecstatic.


I'm definitely really happy the way this offseason is playing out, all things considered. I was worried that the lack of leverage would cause us to give these guys up for nothing. I really like the quality we've gotten back.

I mean obviously I wish we could have just kept the team the way it was, but this isn't the worst thing in the world. We're getting back several QUALITY pieces and doing a great job of insuring that we're good for the future.

Of course there are the bandwagon fans who don't understand what's going on and are bitching about Bowman (I actually saw some guy threatening to stop watching again because we traded "the future best power forward in the game" in Byfuglien), but the knowledgable fans are very pleased with how this is turning out.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:43 PM

Right. Knowledgable fans should know that Chicago has done incredible given their situation. Morin, Vishnevsky, a 1st, 2 2nd's, and players to fill spots of the departed is an incredible return for the players traded. Any true fan or judge of talent should realize that.

That said, it stinks as a Wings fan to see it be so easy for the Hawks. It also burns be up that the Thrashers continue to burn theit franchise to the ground with bad hockey decision after bad hockey decision.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:48 PM

Right. Knowledgable fans should know that Chicago has done incredible given their situation. Morin, Vishnevsky, a 1st, 2 2nd's, and players to fill spots of the departed is an incredible return for the players traded. Any true fan or judge of talent should realize that.

That said, it stinks as a Wings fan to see it be so easy for the Hawks. It also burns be up that the Thrashers continue to burn theit franchise to the ground with bad hockey decision after bad hockey decision.


Yeah, the Thrashers are definitely helping us out. Apparently they put a lot of stock into Stanley Cup experience. I think Thrashers' fans are going to be pretty dissapointed with Byfuglien in particular.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:57 PM

Right. Knowledgable fans should know that Chicago has done incredible given their situation. Morin, Vishnevsky, a 1st, 2 2nd's, and players to fill spots of the departed is an incredible return for the players traded. Any true fan or judge of talent should realize that.

That said, it stinks as a Wings fan to see it be so easy for the Hawks. It also burns be up that the Thrashers continue to burn theit franchise to the ground with bad hockey decision after bad hockey decision.



Hahahaha

Actually it is fantastic to see the Hawks lose all of their depth guys 2 weeks after winning the Cup.

Yea, they still have a good team but there is no question that they took a hit. You don't win a Cup without depth guys and Chicago lost almost all of them.

Keep telling yourself that it's not so bad. That you are restocking for the future.
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Posted 01 July 2010 - 08:58 PM

Agreed.

The style that Big Buff plays is similar to Holmstrom (but bigger and younger, yet less skilled in that area. As a Wings fan, I love Homer. He is the best at what he does. But if Holmstrom was not surronded by Hall of Famers his whole career he probably does not end up being that player. Even if he did, his game take players of a certain skill level to reach its maximum (Datsyuks puck control, Lidstroms point shot).

Buff is the same style player. From what I believe I know about him, he has never shown the ability to consistantly put up points, let alone be this dominating force everybody thinks he will be. Even with good players around him. So going to Atlanta with Nik Antropov running the show, probably isn't going to be his coming out party.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:03 PM

Right. Knowledgable fans should know that Chicago has done incredible given their situation. Morin, Vishnevsky, a 1st, 2 2nd's, and players to fill spots of the departed is an incredible return for the players traded. Any true fan or judge of talent should realize that.

That said, it stinks as a Wings fan to see it be so easy for the Hawks. It also burns be up that the Thrashers continue to burn theit franchise to the ground with bad hockey decision after bad hockey decision.




Lol at the silly Blackhawk fans that think they need to come here and preach about hockey. Come back in 15 years noobs.

Edited by Broken 16, 01 July 2010 - 09:05 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:04 PM

BTW, I am not a Hawks fan. I do believe they will take a hit. You can't replace half the team and think the chemistry will be the same. The skill level right now, after the trades, is lessened as well. But for the situation they were in they've done fantastic.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:04 PM

Not everything Chicago is getting in return is guaranteed to be an NHL player. Some might pan out, but not all. And the 2nd rounders are a crap shoot. Chicago had to give up real NHL talent for 'maybe they will... maybe they won't pan out' type players.

And considering how poorly managed Chicago is, who's to say they don't continue giving away their proven talent. Chicago have always been 'loose' with their talent. This is going to catch up to them as they don't have any top 3 picks to rely on the past few years.





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