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#41 LeftWinger

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:03 PM

It is of my opinion, that until they are out of it, the Detroit Red Wings are the team to beat. But what do I know?

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:06 PM

Hamhuis, Ballard, Tambellini, Oreskovich and Malhotra instead of Mitchell, Bernier, Wellwood, Demitra, Lukowich and Grabner.

Such vast, wild improvement hasn't been seen since the Kings added Denis Gauthier.

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m)
* Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.667m) / Darcy Hordichuk ($0.775m)
* Jannik Hansen ($0.600m) / Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m) / Rick Rypien ($0.550m)
Joel Perrault ($0.510m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Sami Salo ($3.500m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m) / * Shane O'Brien ($1.700m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) / Cory Schneider ($0.900m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP: $59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $0.090m
PAYROLL: $59.200m; BONUSES: $0.850m; CAP ROOM: $1.050m

This is with Hanson getting a miniscule $50,000 raise, ignoring the Tambellini deal, turning the Bieksa and Alberts contracts into dust, and giving $3 million to Raymond and $1.7 million to O'Brien, which is roughly what they'll get in arbitration if the Canucks are lucky.

Is this really any better than the team that lost in the second round last year?

I'm not playing any games when it comes to the cap at this time. Too many unknowns still in play.

Of those players you mentioned, the most valuable (Mitchell) didn't even play in the playoffs so that screws your theory a little right there. The rest did 3rd or 4th line duty and none of them tore it up.

The Canucks have no problem at all scoring, and none of those players you mentioned were major contributors in that area. On the contrary, most of them scored very little. And we have some excellent prospects in the system, some of who could make the team this year. The Canucks offence is the least of their worries.

The Canucks addressed a weakness; not having a mobile enough defence, and in my opinion they did an excellent job at addressing that. As soon as you can get your head around the fact that the Canucks needed to address defence and have given up very little of their potent offence in doing so, the sooner the experts will show you the secret handshake.

Edited by Chairman Maouth, 03 July 2010 - 06:09 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:18 PM

It's a simple answer, no.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:22 PM

I'm going to agree to disagree about the 'nucks having a "potent offense".
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#45 Chairman Maouth

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:27 PM

I'm going to agree to disagree about the 'nucks having a "potent offense".

Seriously?

Do you know of a better measuring stick for that than goals per game?
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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:36 PM

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.050m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

Ehrhoff wil be No. 1 Defender for the Canucks.
But 5 other players earn more money... thatīs not understandable for me...

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:43 PM

Chicago may have lost some depth, but they are the defending champs and are still dangerous and even more if Stahlberg and Beach can step in and contribute a little.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 06:47 PM

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.050m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

Ehrhoff wil be No. 1 Defender for the Canucks.
But 5 other players earn more money... thatīs not understandable for me...

It's because Mike Gillis both stole and rescued Erhoff from San Jose. He never got a chance to shine in San Jose and therefore didn't command as much money. Now he's performing to his full potential with a team that's giving him a chance to shine.

Think Mikael Samuelsson in teal.
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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:08 PM

Put me in the camp that thinks they won't win with Luongo in net... thanks.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:37 PM

Chicago may have lost some depth, but they are the defending champs and are still dangerous and even more if Stahlberg and Beach can step in and contribute a little.


The defending champs will always have that aura of winning the Cup, but the Hawks have lost a ton of depth that they wouldn't have won without. IMO, they're a playoff team, but have taken a few steps back from a bonafide Cup contender.

Put me in the camp that thinks they won't win with Luongo in net... thanks.


And to think we all wanted Holland to trade Datsyuk for Luongo years ago.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:52 PM

And to think we all wanted Holland to trade Datsyuk for Luongo years ago.

You're seriously writing Luongo off after one sub-par season?

Guess the Wings will be lucky to squeak into the playoffs again next season after a lot of sub-par performances this season. You must be devastated.
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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:56 PM

You're seriously writing Luongo off after one sub-par season?

Guess the Wings will be lucky to squeak into the playoffs again next season after a lot of sub-par performances this season. You must be devastated.

You'd seriously rather have Luongo than Pavel Datsyuk?

Edited by Zetts, 03 July 2010 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:59 PM

You're seriously writing Luongo off after one sub-par season?

Guess the Wings will be lucky to squeak into the playoffs again next season after a lot of sub-par performances this season. You must be devastated.


You're seriously writing Datsyuk off after one sub-par season?

See what I did there? You must be devastated.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:08 PM

You'd seriously rather have Luongo than Pavel Datsyuk?

There are a number of Canucks I'd rather have than Datsyuk, and yeah, Luongo is one of them.

Save this thread in your favourites and throw it back at me around Christmas.

You're seriously writing Datsyuk off after one sub-par season?

See what I did there? You must be devastated.

I do.

You took my (sarcastic) point and turned it into your own and in effect, agreed with me in that a player shouldn't be written off after one sub-par season. Isn't that a "point" for me?

Edited by Chairman Maouth, 03 July 2010 - 08:10 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:12 PM

There are a number of Canucks I'd rather have than Datsyuk, and yeah, Luongo is one of them.

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Why do so many of you guys feel the need to come to a Red Wings board to validate your team? Go bug the Blackhawk fans.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:16 PM

If H. Sedin has another year like he did this past season, then I could see them being the team to beat in the West.

I actually think there are more question marks in the West than ever before. I think people are forgetting about Nashville, who I believe will have a fantastic season.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:18 PM

You're seriously writing Luongo off after one sub-par season?

Guess the Wings will be lucky to squeak into the playoffs again next season after a lot of sub-par performances this season. You must be devastated.


Not one sub-par season, but two sub-par POST-seasons. Big difference. The whole "5 instead of 7 so that's an improvement" statement from your captain has got to have you a bit worried. I know I'd sure as hell be worried if Nick Lidstrom said something to that effect.

Also, not only did the Wings not "squeak into the playoffs" last season, but they had the best record in the NHL after the Olympic break due to the fact that they were completely healthy, unlike starting at the third game of the year.

If H. Sedin has another year like he did this past season, then I could see them being the team to beat in the West.

I actually think there are more question marks in the West than ever before. I think people are forgetting about Nashville, who I believe will have a fantastic season.


I'm not so sure, after losing Hamuis and Arnott.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:19 PM

Why do so many of you guys feel the need to come to a Red Wings board to validate your team? Go bug the Blackhawk fans.

Excellent response their chief. Well done and totally original. In the nearly 5 years I've been a member here no has ever before told me to leave. Not a mod, not a member, no one. You're the first.

I like this forum and the people here. For the most part, they are fairly knowledgeable and polite hockey fans. Congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule.
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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:21 PM

Excellent response their chief. Well done and totally original. In the nearly 5 years I've been a member here no has ever before told me to leave. Not a mod, not a member, no one. You're the first.

I like this forum and the people here. For the most part, they are fairly knowledgeable and polite hockey fans. Congratulations on being the exception that proves the rule.




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Posted 03 July 2010 - 08:22 PM

If H. Sedin has another year like he did this past season, then I could see them being the team to beat in the West.

I actually think there are more question marks in the West than ever before. I think people are forgetting about Nashville, who I believe will have a fantastic season.


Sedin was unreal last season, and Burrows had a nice stretch there too.

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