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Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:18 PM

When it's all said and done,doesn't Doug Janik seem like a solid 3rd pairing guy?Why not give him a shot.Its not like we absolutely have to sign another defenseman.I'd be fine with a 3rd defensive pairing of Ericsson and Janik.
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Posted 06 July 2010 - 08:43 PM

He stills play a wreckless style of hockey, hits plenty and fights plenty as well. He stil hits like a truck and more often then anyone else on our team and more then Lilja ever did.


Exelby used to be a physical, hard-hitting player. Not anymore. Ever since his concussion, he has lost much of that. You claim that Exelby hits more often than anyone on the Wings? You're wrong. He had 87 hits in 51 games last season. In the hits per game category of last season, that put a bit behind Kronwall, well behind Lilja (yes, you're wrong on that as well) and a huge amount behind Stuart, and only a bit ahead of the notoriously-soft Ericsson (if we're looking at forwards as well, he also ranked behind Abdelkader, Cleary, Helm and Eaves; this would be fair, given that you said he hits far more than anyone on the team). You claim that he he "hits like a truck"? That's pure fantasy too, as he hasn't laid down a good hit since 2008. He fights plenty? Right. He has had all of 14 fights, in total, over the last four seasons.

Are there any more fallacious claims you'd like to get off your chest? I'd be happy to address those; honestly, though, it seems to me that you said all of this without researching any of it.

As for him sucking at everything, he's just as good of a shot blocker as Lilja, meaner, hits more, fights more and better, protects his goalie and is under the age of 30. He's much better than Lilja when he first came here and is pretty much teh same situation. Lilja played for crappy teams then came to Detroit and got good. Exelby is just as mobile as Lilja, same offensively, just tougher.


Ever since his concussion, he hits less than Lilja; his number of fights is low enough that the difference is not significant; and as absentminded as Lilja can get, Exelby is worse. That's why he's barely ever played on the penalty kill; of all of Toronto's defensemen last season, only Kaberle played less shorthanded time per game than Exelby did. While their offensive numbers are comparable, Lilja can make the first pass out of the zone; Exelby cannot. He lacks every sort of offensive awareness.

Lilja is a much better player. Fans of the Maple Leafs would laugh at the praise you're currently giving Exelby. Whereas Wings fans have good things to say about Lilja, most Leafs fans seem to have little use for Exelby. I suspect your praise for him wouldn't exist if you actually knew what you were talking about.

Give Exelby a season here and he's is better then Lilja I bet. Its fine if you don't like him since he is a rough player and all but he is one of the most realistic replacements available


Frankly, I don't like him (or, rather, the idea of him being on the team) because I think he sucks at the game.

Edited by Crymson, 06 July 2010 - 08:49 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 09:33 PM

Exelby used to be a physical, hard-hitting player. Not anymore. Ever since his concussion, he has lost much of that. You claim that Exelby hits more often than anyone on the Wings? You're wrong. He had 87 hits in 51 games last season. In the hits per game category of last season, that put a bit behind Kronwall, well behind Lilja (yes, you're wrong on that as well) and a huge amount behind Stuart, and only a bit ahead of the notoriously-soft Ericsson (if we're looking at forwards as well, he also ranked behind Abdelkader, Cleary, Helm and Eaves; this would be fair, given that you said he hits far more than anyone on the team). You claim that he he "hits like a truck"? That's pure fantasy too, as he hasn't laid down a good hit since 2008. He fights plenty? Right. He has had all of 14 fights, in total, over the last four seasons.

Are there any more fallacious claims you'd like to get off your chest? I'd be happy to address those; honestly, though, it seems to me that you said all of this without researching any of it.



Ever since his concussion, he hits less than Lilja; his number of fights is low enough that the difference is not significant; and as absentminded as Lilja can get, Exelby is worse. That's why he's barely ever played on the penalty kill; of all of Toronto's defensemen last season, only Kaberle played less shorthanded time per game than Exelby did. While their offensive numbers are comparable, Lilja can make the first pass out of the zone; Exelby cannot. He lacks every sort of offensive awareness.

Lilja is a much better player. Fans of the Maple Leafs would laugh at the praise you're currently giving Exelby. Whereas Wings fans have good things to say about Lilja, most Leafs fans seem to have little use for Exelby. I suspect your praise for him wouldn't exist if you actually knew what you were talking about.



Frankly, I don't like him (or, rather, the idea of him being on the team) because I think he sucks at the game.

Exelby has noticeably hard hits plenty, I'm sure I see him play way more then you do since I watch the same amount of leafs games as I do wings game because of where I live. My best friend is a leafs fan, and likes Exelby so I wouldn't put words in the mouths of leafs fans when youre in Colorado and pretty much all the people I talk to on a daily basis like the leafs. You seem like one of those guys who read the stats and think you know everything about a player, probably read the box score of wings games the day after too and watch espn to get your fill of the wings.

Thats fine but I've seen Exelby play plenty, know most of the s*** you say is way off base. You think I would want a guy who can't actually hit, fight or make a first pass? Lilja is better but we gotta replace his lost toughness and mean streak prior to the concussion somehow. You say Exelby isn't mean because of a concussion and then say you want Lilja...

I would take Lilja back but you seem to be forgetting how awful Lilja was when he came to Detroit. Exelby isn't as good now but he's much better then Lilly was when he came here, Exelby's problems can be fixed with Detroits coaching.

Then you bring up the fact that Lilja hits more then exelby and I've decided youre a stat reader that doesn't watch games, even before the concussion I can not think of Lilja having a big open ice hit or a big hit really at all.

The fight stat is relevant because Exelby was on TO last year. He had other guys to worry bout fighting, in Detroit he would probably fight about 8 times. Lilja wil fight 0 times because of his head.

Its fine if you don't like him because he's a tough, big player but don't try to bend stats and say things like Lilja is a better hitter etc.









Its safe to say he's still tough and takes the body

Edited by newfy, 06 July 2010 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 02:16 PM

Has Aaron Ward signed somewhere? He'd make a decent #6 if Kenny is still looking...

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 03:27 PM

Exelby has noticeably hard hits plenty, I'm sure I see him play way more then you do since I watch the same amount of leafs games as I do wings game because of where I live. My best friend is a leafs fan, and likes Exelby so I wouldn't put words in the mouths of leafs fans when youre in Colorado and pretty much all the people I talk to on a daily basis like the leafs. You seem like one of those guys who read the stats and think you know everything about a player, probably read the box score of wings games the day after too and watch espn to get your fill of the wings.

Thats fine but I've seen Exelby play plenty, know most of the s*** you say is way off base. You think I would want a guy who can't actually hit, fight or make a first pass? Lilja is better but we gotta replace his lost toughness and mean streak prior to the concussion somehow. You say Exelby isn't mean because of a concussion and then say you want Lilja...

I would take Lilja back but you seem to be forgetting how awful Lilja was when he came to Detroit. Exelby isn't as good now but he's much better then Lilly was when he came here, Exelby's problems can be fixed with Detroits coaching.

Then you bring up the fact that Lilja hits more then exelby and I've decided youre a stat reader that doesn't watch games, even before the concussion I can not think of Lilja having a big open ice hit or a big hit really at all.

The fight stat is relevant because Exelby was on TO last year. He had other guys to worry bout fighting, in Detroit he would probably fight about 8 times. Lilja wil fight 0 times because of his head.

Its fine if you don't like him because he's a tough, big player but don't try to bend stats and say things like Lilja is a better hitter etc.

Its safe to say he's still tough and takes the body

Dude, Exelby cant play hockey. Ericsson-Kindl would be much better offensively and Defensively than Ericsson-Exelby or Kindl-Exelby. You dont want him on the Wings. Even if he does have an occasional hit or rare fight, who cares. At the end of the day its our defensemans offensive and defensive capabilities that will win us the game, not their hitting or fighting.

Edited by cjm502, 02 August 2010 - 03:28 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 04:17 PM

Why not Aaron Ward?

How about because we want to spend less than $1m and get a defenseman who can actually skate?

The Wings' defense right now is this:

Lidstrom
Kronwall
Rafalski
Stuart
Ericsson
Kindl

Meech?
Janik

Hnidy is a possiblity, if he takes a pay cut. Boynton won't sign for under $1m, and certainly not the $750k he would have to, unless he's forced to given what he was making last year. Exelby would be decent if he takes $750k, but he's barely an upgrade over Janik so I don't know if that's even worth it. Sutton is going to cost more than the Wings can afford. On the open market he might even get Kronwall/Stuart type money.


We could afford around $1.5-2 million, depending on what we give Abby and Helm, and whether we go with 13 or 14 forwards. Boynton is about the best option left (maybe Sutton, if he'd be willing to settle for around a million), which isn't saying much.

If we're to the point of considering Ward, it probably means our best option is to let Meech and Janik fight over the spot until the trade deadline when we could maybe add someone that's actually good.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 04:28 PM

You can take Sutton off the list, the deal hasnt been done yet but he will be Ducks property.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 04:51 PM

the guys on twitter are saying its 2yrs @ $2.125M per for Sutton.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 11:26 PM

the guys on twitter are saying its 2yrs @ $2.125M per for Sutton.

Confirmed.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=329351

Too bad. I would've liked to have him or a guy like him on the blueline. Looks like we're getting Modano on the third line instead.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 11:39 PM

Confirmed.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=329351

Too bad. I would've liked to have him or a guy like him on the blueline. Looks like we're getting Modano on the third line instead.

Reports also say we are pursuing Willie Mitchell. He had 12 teams pursuing him and he has singled those 12 down to 4. Detroit, Vancouver, Washington, and Nashville are said to be those 4. Lets hope it happens, big upgrade over Lilja.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 12:35 AM

Reports also say we are pursuing Willie Mitchell. He had 12 teams pursuing him and he has singled those 12 down to 4. Detroit, Vancouver, Washington, and Nashville are said to be those 4. Lets hope it happens, big upgrade over Lilja.


Mitchell would be nice... but it would be awkward for Kenny to abandon Lilja over his concussion only to pick up Mitchell who has been out since January with concussion.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 04:05 PM

I'm betting that Holland was going to play Mitchell based on what was going to happen with Modano. With Modano in the fold now, Mitchell really isn't an option. He'll likely fetch just less than what Sutton got. I'm still pulling for Hnidy.





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