Red Wings Making Play for Modano

[hooon 1,089]

Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the number of players we have or will have signed once Helm, Abdelkader and Meech re-sign. Everyone should realize that the re-signing of Meech (and depending on what happens maybe even Miller) will be done to retain assets. If Modano, or another forward, can be signed at the moment we'd have 15 forwards going into camp. But that doesn't matter because someone would be moved. If Modano signs that most likely means Miller is moved/waived.

It's the same for a defenseman. If we pick up someone like McKee then Meech will be moved/waived.

Even when looking at our cap number ppl should realize there is wiggle room. You have to be cap complaint at the start of the season but while we attempt to sign another forward and a d-man I believe we can go over the cap by 10% in the summer. So say Modano is signed for $1M and then we move Miller our current cap number only increases by 350k.

So don't get hung up by roster size and the cap number. They're not true numbers until everything is set in stone - which isn't until opening day of the season.

This.

Dunno why everyone is so worried about having too many forwards. Holland has already said they would move people if need be. They will go to camp and compete for their jobs, the best players will get a spot. Whomever we don't need will get traded off... which means we get something in return for their services, rather than just letting them walk.

[stevkrause 1,247]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100712/SPORTS0103/7120394/1361/Wings--offer-may-not-be-enough-for-Modano

McCosky is guessing the Wings offered him around $800k. I can't say I would blame the guy for waffling if that was the case.

Why not? He's going to get a few hundred thousand more AT MOST elsewhere and will not have the chance to win another cup that he will here at ANY of those places - he has made plenty in his NHL career and his wife isn't exactly hurting financially either... I could see if someone else was offering, say 1.6+ and we were only offering .8 - As that becomes more about pride than money... but in the grand scheme of things, where he's at in his career, money should not be the deciding factor, or he's still playing for the wrong reasons...

[mmamolo 287]

I feel like several of us (you and myself included) on this board have been broken records about the retaining of assets this whole off-season, but some people just refuse to listen to logic on the topic and assume because someone is signed = they will be on this team come the end of camp...

I don't get it either...

Problem is some ppl just skim the thread and post responses without bothering to actually take in any information. Ppl need to understand that the Wings are lookign to sign another forward and a defenseman. If they find who they want for the mney they want they'll get signed. If that happens ppl will be moved/waived to make the roster spots. If those players aren't found Holland has stated he's comfortable with who we have. He's basically posturing and not giving up any leverage to anyone.

Let's face facts, we all know Holland wants either a scoring 3rd line centre or a ruggid 4th line winger. It's that simple. Plus a 6th d. He seems to like Janik and ultimately he may end up on the roster but if you can sign a McKee for $1M you take it and Janik gets bumped back to GR.

[newfy 695]

I feel like several of us (you and myself included) on this board have been broken records about the retaining of assets this whole off-season, but some people just refuse to listen to logic on the topic and assume because someone is signed = they will be on this team come the end of camp...

I don't get it either...

I agree. A lot of people need to realize that signed, is not equal to on the team.

[kook_10 1,705]

Why not? He's going to get a few hundred thousand more AT MOST elsewhere and will not have the chance to win another cup that he will here at ANY of those places - he has made plenty in his NHL career and his wife isn't exactly hurting financially either... I could see if someone else was offering, say 1.6+ and we were only offering .8 - As that becomes more about pride than money... but in the grand scheme of things, where he's at in his career, money should not be the deciding factor, or he's still playing for the wrong reasons...

Pride can be a big thing. I'm sure he is smart enough to realize the constraints of what the Wings could provide, but to be wined dined and lowballed might sting for a first ballot HOFer. If he played a full year he could very well put up Bert numbers and end up with Eaves money. Everybody wants to win, but he has a Cup and getting another one is far from a slam dunk so I would bet his motivation in coming to Detroit would be more to take a victory lap in his home town. Taking a contract that is modestly above entry level probably might feel more like charity than something he earned and take away the home town good vibes.

[stevkrause 1,247]

Pride can be a big thing. I'm sure he is smart enough to realize the constraints of what the Wings could provide, but to be wined dined and lowballed might sting for a first ballot HOFer. If he played a full year he could very well put up Bert numbers and end up with Eaves money. Everybody wants to win, but he has a Cup and getting another one is far from a slam dunk so I would bet his motivation in coming to Detroit would be more to take a victory lap in his home town. Taking a contract that is modestly above entry level probably might feel more like charity than something he earned and take away the home town good vibes.

The only way I could see it going the other way, is IF pride comes into it, but I do not see how him getting (for arguments sake - numbers are just pulled out of thin air) say 1.2m from Anaheim could surpass 1m here (I also don't think 800k was the offer, just to add to the point)... however, if another team wants to offer him almost DOUBLE, now pride comes into play, just because the - "well they think I'm worth this, so why is your offer so low?!" - thoughts enter...

With all that said, he should know that 1m here is in no way, shape or form a disrespect and the quality of his season and chance to win alone should off-set any negative feelings from a VERY small difference in salary that he may get elsewhere....

[kook_10 1,705]

If it was indeed $1M I agree, but I think if it was $1M the deal would be done already. I get the feeling that a cool mil is the magic number which his pride doesn't want to go below. If McCosky is right and its more like $800k, then I could see how a little money could have a big effect and open up salary as a topic of discussion with other teams (which it appears to have done).

[Grim 5]

well... it was a nostalgic thought that he would sign here. I fully expect to hear a Maltby signing soon. *yawn*

[redwingfan19 293]

he wants to play on a west coast team and it's obvious. thats if he even still decides to play.

[Jesusberg 1,256]

well... it was a nostalgic thought that he would sign here. I fully expect to hear a Maltby signing soon. *yawn*

You mean Maltby isn't signing in Tampa Bay? And we're not trading Draper for a 7th round pick so they can be reunited? Shucks.

Seriously though, I assumed that 900K was the number when they first started talking to Mikey. I would still be fine with 900K, but with all these other teams in the fray now he'd really have to want to come to Detroit because it's Detroit. They other teams can surely outbid us. That being said, I wouldn't want to fork over too much cash anyway. Helm and Abs still need to be signed and while I wouldn't mind losing Miller or Ritola for Modano, I do not want to lose either of the other two.

[esteef 2,679]

Remember folks, this could've all just been posturing to get Mikey a better deal somewhere else. The fact that Mike's a Michigan native and the Wings bring in older players frequently just helped sell it more to other potential teams. If that's true, it just goes to show the class of the Wings organization, even regarding players that are not even a part of their team.

esteef

[yzerman_scores 1]

Remember folks, this could've all just been posturing to get Mikey a better deal somewhere else. The fact that Mike's a Michigan native and the Wings bring in older players frequently just helped sell it more to other potential teams. If that's true, it just goes to show the class of the Wings organization, even regarding players that are not even a part of their team.

esteef

My 2 cents: He may still sign with Detroit, but is loving the fact, and self promoting the fact, that Dallas "dissed" him and he is valued by other teams. Notice that no other teams were interested in him until Detroit was. So its one of 3 things:

1. He wants to sign with Detroit and wants to drive up the offer price (rumored at 1 to 1.5 million, one or two years).

2. He wanted to sign with Detroit, until other West coast teams were interested, which is where his WIFE wants him to sign, and he is using Detroit and other teams as a tool to drive up the price, so he can sign on the West coast.

3. He simply does not know what he wants. Money, or a shot at the cup. A 3rd line center with 2nd line PP, and possibility move up in lines (Detroit), or take more money regardless of team, or Make WIFEY happy at all costs, even over his parents!!!

[HankthaTank 1,100]

Hey Johnny Damon's wife didn't want him to come to Detroit and others thought he was doing the same thing and look what happened there. Not calling him a Marshall Mathers wife beater by any stretch but going to the best possible situation sometimes or always outweighs outside opinion. Get it done Mike.

Edited July 12, 2010 by HankthaTank

[55fan 5,133]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

[Echolalia 2,961]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

I was waiting to see something about getting sandwiches ready too, but I was let down.

[yzerman_scores 1]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

He would have "20+ new friends" regardless of where he signed!

I think he is torn between what benefits his wife, his parents, and Mike!

His wife will, hopefully be with him a long time. His parents, who knows.

I really think he does not know the amount of desire that Red Wings fans have to sign in Detroit.

I have been waiting for it for over 10 years.

[Vladifan 680]

I haven't read anywhere where his wife is actually now a larger part of his decision than before, whatever degree that was. Then again, I haven't read all the posts here so maybe I missed some factual info. But after I read here that he's now being butt-kissed by other teams and still listening to offers, it could be just his ego being massaged. Was it not like a week ago that he said if he played again, Detroit would be where he'd go (come to)? I'm kinda at a place where if he comes here, great. But after the LaBron James' and Favre' fiascos - my brain and heart just don't give a s*** at le moment and my plan is to purposefully ignore it till he makes a decision. Peace out to the posters on this thread and I hope you're all having a good summer/winter wherever you are!

[brett 1,029]

t-t-t-today

[Frozen-Man 144]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

Awesome post. :clap:

[Broken 16 381]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

It's the offseason. If we can't make fun of Modano for being whipped... what are we supposed to do? In fact, it's his fault. The longer this lingers, the more whipped he appears.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

This is a hockey forum. We don't think about those things. It's much more entertaining comparing hot wives and discussing our personal thresholds for being whipped by said wives.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

But the Wings are the coolest organization in all of professional sports. There is no decision. Come win a Cup.

[Z and D for the C 712]

Red Wings in wait-and-see mode as free agent Mike Modano weighs his options

Holland said he will continue to wait and that Modano's indecision is not preventing him from signing anybody else.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Z and D for the C

[up2here 41]

Saw this at Rotoworld today:

Mike Modano-C- Stars Jul. 13 - 7:28 am et

It is beginning to look as if Mike Modano will not be headed to Detroit.

The Red Wings have around $3 million to spend on remaining contracts and still have to re-sign three players (Derek Meech, Justin Abdelkader and Darren Helm) so their offer to Modano likely wasn't enough to entice the long-time member of the Stars. The Red Wings and Modano have not talked since Friday. "We would love to have Mike join us, but we only have a certain amount to spend," GM Ken Holland said. Stay tuned as the Sharks, Wild and Blackhawks could also be interested in Modano's services.

[under_par_00 45]

I really want Modano to come to Detroit next season. A 3rd line of Hudler - Modano - Cleary would be dynamite. This also leaves Abdelkader to the 4th line with Helm and Eaves/Ritola.

I do not think that Abdelkader has nearly the offensive ability yet of Modano, and would not work as well with Cleary and Hudler. Please Kenny, offer more $$!!

[thedisappearer 291]

Maybe he's just considering his options, consulting with his family, and making a decision about where the best place is for all concerned at this point.

You guys make such a big deal about him consulting his wife. Hey, guys, we gals need to be included in huge decisions like where to move to. We have responsibilities and we need to know what our new surroundings will be like.

I mean, really- suppose you moved to a new town, got a new job that came with 20+ new friends, and you invited them all over to your house for supper and your wife couldn't get you all a beer because she didn't know where the store was. Wouldn't you feel silly then? I bet you would! It is your manly duty to make sure that the wife has a comfortable kitchen and convenient grocery/liquor shopping in the event of the aforementioned scenario.

If I had three or more job offers sitting on the table, all of which involved moving to a new place, you can bet I'd take my time to be sure it was the right decision.

If you think comparing you and your husband's life, or mine and my wife's, to Modano's and his wife is any sort of valid comparison, you are sadly mistaken. But congrats on making it appear sexist.

[Guest mindfly]

Seriously Mike is retarded not to come to detroit at this stage of his career with all the stuff that's going on, best chance to win, coming "home", getting the most out of veterans, top notch classy organisation etc.... mind boggling how he picks another team than detroit... How can still money be the most important factor at age 40? s***...

Edited July 13, 2010 by mindfly