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Oh I know what he meant, and it's definitely possible, but slim/none that it will happen probably. It's more crazy talk/paranoid thinking about that and it really isn't worth worrying about.

Agreed. The Wings should never make any decision to not pursue the best players because they're afraid someone would be offended. Though I don't believe they ever do, it's just message board fodder to worry and not an NHL reality. Any team that does that is going to suck and we don't suck.

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How does going after the top American goal scorer who while not being peak of his career is still very good exactly invalidate any of that or that they are the future of those roles on our team?

That's the problem isn't it? you had to speak about his past. He's not that player anymore, far from it. Helm would score much better this season with Hudler on his line and some stability. He can do everything we need from the 3rd line center, everything. Modano fits fine but we don't need him. We have to many forwards as it is. We probably lose Ritola for nothing and maybe more. Why to fill a spot that that's already occupied by a great young player? This isn't pre lockout, where you can sign a vet to play every position.

This is short sided thinking, it's a bad practice. I hope the guy just retires.

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I didn't say Modano was sabotaging the Wings, It's Kenny that's trying to fill holes we don't have. He's going to wonder why his next contract discussion with Helm

doesn't go so well.

have you watched the wings in the past 10 years?? have you really seen them really screw up any signings? This is a signing just like with drake and everyone on the team knows that. Thats how you need to look at this really. It;s not like we need alot anyways....added modano would just make an already great team that much better and you can bet the holland and the boys wont let a 1-2 year deal screw this team up.

That's the problem isn't it? you had to speak about his past. He's not that player anymore, far from it. Helm would score much better this season with Hudler on his line and some stability. He can do everything we need from the 3rd line center, everything. Modano fits fine but we don't need him. We have to many forwards as it is. We probably lose Ritola for nothing and maybe more. Why to fill a spot that that's already occupied by a great young player? This isn't pre lockout, where you can sign a vet to play every position.

This is short sided thinking, it's a bad practice. I hope the guy just retires.

far from it? did you really watch him in the past few years? i wouldn't say he's FAR from it.last 5 seasons he has avg over 20 goals 30 assists....thats on a dallas team thats not at our lvl really to be honest...now put that on a team like the wings that is all about the great passing that modano brings and there is no telling what he gets.

and remember how he was played on dallas the last few years.

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That's the problem isn't it? you had to speak about his past

Is that all I did?

How does going after the top American goal scorer who while not being peak of his career is still very good exactly invalidate any of that or that they are the future of those roles on our team?

My point was that he's very good today as an NHL player, that is the standard and not how good he is compared to the peak of his own career. My point was entirely about Mike Modano today. He's very good.

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I watched Modano play about 20 games last year. He's A ghost of his former self, that's a fact. Maybe some of that was environment, maybe he would be excited and passionate to play here? No one knows. He looked like he quit on his team to me, from the games I watched. His own team want's to move on, that's exactly what the Wings should do.

A few extra goals from the 3rd spot? Big deal it's not worth it.

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That's the problem isn't it? you had to speak about his past. He's not that player anymore, far from it. Helm would score much better this season with Hudler on his line and some stability. He can do everything we need from the 3rd line center, everything. Modano fits fine but we don't need him. We have to many forwards as it is. We probably lose Ritola for nothing and maybe more. Why to fill a spot that that's already occupied by a great young player? This isn't pre lockout, where you can sign a vet to play every position.

This is short sided thinking, it's a bad practice. I hope the guy just retires.

The parts in bold makes me laugh.

You make a LOT of baseless assumptions. Why would we lose Ritola for nothing?

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The parts in bold makes me laugh.

You make a LOT of baseless assumptions. Why would we lose Ritola for nothing?

Thanks I am a funny guy. Helm looks like a guy waiting to emerge to me. He has all the tools. I think he could even play a support role on a scoring line, with all that speed and forechecking ability. He may never get that chance here since it seems like we want him to go backwards instead of forwards.

Why might we lost Ritola for nothing? Well, in hockey there are 12 forward, have you looked at our roster if you add Modano, Helm and Abdelkader? Do the math if you can?

I've had my say, no point in arguing around in circles with the clones. It's a beautiful day, I'm going outside.

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Thanks I am a funny guy. Helm looks like a guy waiting to emerge to me. He has all the tools. I think he could even play a support role on a scoring line, with all that speed and forechecking ability. He may never get that chance here since it seems like we want him to go backwards instead of forwards.

Why might we lost Ritola for nothing? Well, in hockey there are 12 forward, have you looked at our roster if you add Modano, Helm and Abdelkader? Do the math if you can?

I've had my say, no point in arguing around in circles with the clones. It's a beautiful day, I'm going outside.

yeah I agree with you but I think abby is a better fit on the third line than helm because he has the better hands and shot of the two but that's just from what i've seen of them. there is only a few of us (literally) who think this team doesn't need modano but as I have learned there just no point in arguing with the masses because it's a loosing cause. just do what i do and log on here everyday and hope to see "modano retires" or "modano signs with sharks" threads :)

P.S i would go outside but it is humid and thunderstorms..

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Thanks I am a funny guy. Helm looks like a guy waiting to emerge to me. He has all the tools. I think he could even play a support role on a scoring line, with all that speed and forechecking ability. He may never get that chance here since it seems like we want him to go backwards instead of forwards.

Why might we lost Ritola for nothing? Well, in hockey there are 12 forward, have you looked at our roster if you add Modano, Helm and Abdelkader? Do the math if you can?

I've had my say, no point in arguing around in circles with the clones. It's a beautiful day, I'm going outside.

yeah its good to call us names because 95% of hockey fans don't agree with you. that works.you may have watched the games but check out his stats for the past 5 years. now add those to a team like detroit....or do YOU not know how to read stats? maybe you should go outside and get some fresh air cause it seems you have been inside to long. ;)

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yeah I agree with you but I think abby is a better fit on the third line than helm because he has the better hands and shot of the two but that's just from what i've seen of them. there is only a few of us (literally) who think this team doesn't need modano but as I have learned there just no point in arguing with the masses because it's a loosing cause. just do what i do and log on here everyday and hope to see "modano retires" or "modano signs with sharks" threads :)

P.S i would go outside but it is humid and thunderstorms..

I highly doubt people are going to get on other's cases if those people don't want Modano. If you don't want him, cool. I'd like him but I'm certainly not going to lose sleep if he's not a Red Wing. Nobody here is treating him like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

It's more along the lines, and incredibly aggravating, that some seem to still not get that Helm and Abdlekader are going to be with the team regardless, and are just worrying way too much about them possibly not being re-signed (when they already are) or stuff that nobody can predict years and years down the road. People need to be more patient and this is a situation that really isn't worth reading more into; there is nothing more to read into.

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Also I just wanted to point out that the 3rd line is going to be a scoring line this year with Hudler whether it's Modano, Helm, Abdelkader or whoever else. Last year it was a AHL line. Everybody's numbers are going to be a lot better this season with a healthy team.

Now I really am going outside. I don't want to end up with 20,000 posts on a message board, that's just all kinds of sad. No offense.

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If I were those guys I'd want want short term deals if this is how they're treated.

Yes, Helm and Abby have not been treated well by the Wings organization, that is something you often hear about this franchise. :rolleyes:

You post too much by the way, no need to be so controlling.

You mean controlling . . like trying to dictate what is the appropriate amount of posting.

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That's the problem isn't it? you had to speak about his past. He's not that player anymore, far from it. Helm would score much better this season with Hudler on his line and some stability. He can do everything we need from the 3rd line center, everything. Modano fits fine but we don't need him. We have to many forwards as it is. We probably lose Ritola for nothing and maybe more. Why to fill a spot that that's already occupied by a great young player? This isn't pre lockout, where you can sign a vet to play every position.

This is short sided thinking, it's a bad practice. I hope the guy just retires.

Um, I think you mean shortsighted and also I don't think the phrase "still very good" is speaking about the past it is speaking of the present.

His own team want's to move on, that's exactly what the Wings should do.

His own team is not in the same situation as the Wings. The Wings should make the playoffs with a ripe and well developed team that has a legitimate shot at winning the Stanley Cup and only need to tweak their team. Dallas on the other hand did not make the playoff and is rebuilding their team for future success. It is not the same to compare what Dallas needs and what Detroit needs.

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Also I just wanted to point out that the 3rd line is going to be a scoring line this year with Hudler whether it's Modano, Helm, Abdelkader or whoever else. Last year it was a AHL line. Everybody's numbers are going to be a lot better this season with a healthy team.

That was fast..was it raining outside or something :D

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Well, I don't know. Football isn't really a sport where you need passion to play. If you've got talent like Favre does, you put in a decent effort for a 16 game season (or 20 including a championship run). Quarterback is the least physical position, so it's not like you have to have drive to play 82+ games in which every game you have to constantly be moving and making that extra effort to get the puck that's just out of your reach, or fight for the puck in the corners or to get to the front of the net night in and night out.

Passion counts in hockey. To be brutally honest, I don't think it comes in play much in football, at least from a quarterback's position.

Passion counts in everything you do in life. If your a fry cook with passion you could be the best fry cook in the world. Saying Farve has no passion is like saying Yzerman has no passion. I just cannot agree with you here.

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No time for nostalgia!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...ott&id=5403991

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Originally Posted by Scott Burnside

No time for nostalgia

It will be interesting to see how the Mike Modano saga plays out. Will he retire? Will he go "home" to Michigan and give it one last shot with the Red Wings? (Detroit coach Mike Babcock said publicly he thinks it's a given Modano will be a Red Wing come October.)

To us, this is where nostalgia runs smack dab into reality.

Modano missed 23 games to injury last season while scoring 14 times from a mostly third-line position on the Dallas Stars. He averaged 14:18 a night in ice time and scored just three times on the power play. Modano scored just 15 times in 2008-09 and posted only 12 power-play goals over the past three seasons.

We're not sure exactly how he fits into the Wings' plans to rebound from a trying, injury-plagued 2009-10 campaign that saw them fall in the second round to San Jose.

It's not an issue of whether Modano has the will to lace 'em up in September or October; but what is his will to play out an entire season? That seemed to be an issue in Dallas the past couple of seasons and explains in part why the Stars made the choice to walk away from a player who has been the face of the franchise for two decades.

If we were Wings GM Ken Holland, we'd take a run at Bill Guerin or Paul Kariya to add veteran scoring punch and give one of your young prospects a shot at centering the third line. Less nostalgic, perhaps; but, in the long run, we're guessing it would be a more productive move with less potential for dressing-room headaches.

Outside I must :)

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I highly doubt people are going to get on other's cases if those people don't want Modano. If you don't want him, cool. I'd like him but I'm certainly not going to lose sleep if he's not a Red Wing. Nobody here is treating him like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

It's more along the lines, and incredibly aggravating, that some seem to still not get that Helm and Abdlekader are going to be with the team regardless, and are just worrying way too much about them possibly not being re-signed (when they already are) or stuff that nobody can predict years and years down the road. People need to be more patient and this is a situation that really isn't worth reading more into; there is nothing more to read into.

fair enough, but I got 2 negs already for my comment lol

anyways I know helm and abby will be a part of this team next year no matter what and im not worried about loosing them. My problem is I don't want modano taking ice time away from our young guns. I hope modano doesn't sign with us but wont be mad if he does. I just wont care and hope he can fit in and do well.

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No time for nostalgia!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...ott&id=5403991

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Burnside

No time for nostalgia

It will be interesting to see how the Mike Modano saga plays out. Will he retire? Will he go "home" to Michigan and give it one last shot with the Red Wings? (Detroit coach Mike Babcock said publicly he thinks it's a given Modano will be a Red Wing come October.)

To us, this is where nostalgia runs smack dab into reality.

Modano missed 23 games to injury last season while scoring 14 times from a mostly third-line position on the Dallas Stars. He averaged 14:18 a night in ice time and scored just three times on the power play. Modano scored just 15 times in 2008-09 and posted only 12 power-play goals over the past three seasons.

We're not sure exactly how he fits into the Wings' plans to rebound from a trying, injury-plagued 2009-10 campaign that saw them fall in the second round to San Jose.

It's not an issue of whether Modano has the will to lace 'em up in September or October; but what is his will to play out an entire season? That seemed to be an issue in Dallas the past couple of seasons and explains in part why the Stars made the choice to walk away from a player who has been the face of the franchise for two decades.

If we were Wings GM Ken Holland, we'd take a run at Bill Guerin or Paul Kariya to add veteran scoring punch and give one of your young prospects a shot at centering the third line. Less nostalgic, perhaps; but, in the long run, we're guessing it would be a more productive move with less potential for dressing-room headaches.

Outside I must :)

Isn't Guerin also injury prone? Don't they both make a decent amount more then what we would pay Modano? I may be wrong. Regardless, has it ever crossed burnsides mind or anyone else's that sometimes it just sucks to work for an organization that treats you like crap? Maybe Mike's heart was not into last season? Maybe it just sucks to get crapped on by the brass you gave your career to and you just lose a little fizzle. I think Holland gets paid the big bucks for doing the right thing and burnside makes not nearly as much making assumptions about it.

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Modano's +/- last three seasons were -6, -13, -11...is that what the Wings want to add? Holland says they have done well with veterans in the past, but our team is full of experienced guys who have all been to the big dance once or twice. All I see Mike adding might be increased ticket sales with the Michigan native thing.

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Modano's +/- last three seasons were -6, -13, -11...is that what the Wings want to add? Holland says they have done well with veterans in the past, but our team is full of experienced guys who have all been to the big dance once or twice. All I see Mike adding might be increased ticket sales with the Michigan native thing.

wow did you look at all his other stats and not just a stat that depends on the team around him?

Some people remind me so much of the project managers and data analyst here at dell. they only pull data that somewhat supports the crap they are trying to say and they leave out everything else. never really looks at the whole picture.

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Modano's +/- last three seasons were -6, -13, -11...is that what the Wings want to add? Holland says they have done well with veterans in the past, but our team is full of experienced guys who have all been to the big dance once or twice. All I see Mike adding might be increased ticket sales with the Michigan native thing.

Since Holland has actively persued him then I guess the answer is yes. It floors me how we can have the most successful hockey team of the past 15 years without question and people still find reasons to second guess this teams judgement. Ken Holland has been the GM of that team for 13 of those 15 years, has he made a mistake or two... Sure but given his track record I am not one to pass judgement on his decisions before I see them played out. You can't find better odds than betting on Ken Holland.

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Since Holland has actively persued him then I guess the answer is yes. It floors me how we can have the most successful hockey team of the past 15 years without question and people still find reasons to second guess this teams judgement. Ken Holland has been the GM of that team for 13 of those 15 years, has he made a mistake or two... Sure but given his track record I am not one to pass judgement on his decisions before I see them played out. You can't find better odds than betting on Ken Holland.

As far as questioning their judgment it really depends. They're not going to get everything right. I mean, Jason Williams a second time?

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Also I just wanted to point out that the 3rd line is going to be a scoring line this year with Hudler whether it's Modano, Helm, Abdelkader or whoever else. Last year it was a AHL line. Everybody's numbers are going to be a lot better this season with a healthy team.

Now I really am going outside. I don't want to end up with 20,000 posts on a message board, that's just all kinds of sad. No offense.

Cute. Every single person has proved that your unsupported arguments are completely off base and nonsensical, and your last resort is to insult us for using the same message board that you yourself are arguing on? Define sad for me, please.

And Helm is going backwards? He has had ONE season in the NHL. Going backwards would mean going to the AHL, which he is not doing.

It might behoove you to put some thought into your posts before putting them up for the world to see, that way you wont have to resort to insulting people when they point out how intellectually bankrupt your opinions are.

Edit: Posting ESPN articles to support your arguments does very little to add any validity to your cause.

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This thread gets more entertaining every time I come back to it. Oh, the +/- category. Just doesn't get any more overrated of a category than that. Ignoring any of his other stats is just blatant disregard for the player we will be getting to center our 3rd line.

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