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[stevkrause]

After Helm and Abdelkader, the Wings do not "need" to sign any forwards. Counting Ritola, Hudler, and all returning forwards who are currently signed, the Wings have 12 forwards NOW. That means Helm and Abby push it to 14.

As far as defense, the Wings have five returning defensemen signed plus Kindl. Janik is also signed and Meech will be signed soon.

The longer this goes, the less likely it is Modano will be a Wing. As for the defense, unless the Wings can find a good physical, defensive type who can play well and is cheaper than Lilja was, the Wings will be going into the season with the current group.

I think most of us here (at least the rational ones) would be very happy with this and fine without them making any moves - at the same time, there are still moves a lot of us would like to see...

[TNBT]

After Helm and Abdelkader, the Wings do not "need" to sign any forwards. Counting Ritola, Hudler, and all returning forwards who are currently signed, the Wings have 12 forwards NOW. That means Helm and Abby push it to 14.

As far as defense, the Wings have five returning defensemen signed plus Kindl. Janik is also signed and Meech will be signed soon.

The longer this goes, the less likely it is Modano will be a Wing. As for the defense, unless the Wings can find a good physical, defensive type who can play well and is cheaper than Lilja was, the Wings will be going into the season with the current group.

I agree. I've been playing around with different line combinations in my head, and I can't find a way to fit all the forwards in. As for the defense, we will have 7 guys when Meech re-signs. When you look at that, you can see that we don't really have any room left on the roster at the moment, and if we have injuries and do need someone else, we can promote a kid from Grand Rapids to get them some experience.

[hellsson]

So my guess that this was like a Brett Favre situation wasn't far off, then.


s*** or get off the pot, Mike.

[hellsson]

So my guess that this was like a Brett Favre situation wasn't far off, then.


s*** or get off the pot, Mike.

Sorry for the double post.

Edited by hellsson, 12 July 2010 - 11:55 AM.

[mmamolo]

Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the number of players we have or will have signed once Helm, Abdelkader and Meech re-sign. Everyone should realize that the re-signing of Meech (and depending on what happens maybe even Miller) will be done to retain assets. If Modano, or another forward, can be signed at the moment we'd have 15 forwards going into camp. But that doesn't matter because someone would be moved. If Modano signs that most likely means Miller is moved/waived.

It's the same for a defenseman. If we pick up someone like McKee then Meech will be moved/waived.

Even when looking at our cap number ppl should realize there is wiggle room. You have to be cap complaint at the start of the season but while we attempt to sign another forward and a d-man I believe we can go over the cap by 10% in the summer. So say Modano is signed for $1M and then we move Miller our current cap number only increases by 350k.

So don't get hung up by roster size and the cap number. They're not true numbers until everything is set in stone - which isn't until opening day of the season.

[stevkrause]

Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the number of players we have or will have signed once Helm, Abdelkader and Meech re-sign. Everyone should realize that the re-signing of Meech (and depending on what happens maybe even Miller) will be done to retain assets. If Modano, or another forward, can be signed at the moment we'd have 15 forwards going into camp. But that doesn't matter because someone would be moved. If Modano signs that most likely means Miller is moved/waived.

It's the same for a defenseman. If we pick up someone like McKee then Meech will be moved/waived.

Even when looking at our cap number ppl should realize there is wiggle room. You have to be cap complaint at the start of the season but while we attempt to sign another forward and a d-man I believe we can go over the cap by 10% in the summer. So say Modano is signed for $1M and then we move Miller our current cap number only increases by 350k.

So don't get hung up by roster size and the cap number. They're not true numbers until everything is set in stone - which isn't until opening day of the season.

I feel like several of us (you and myself included) on this board have been broken records about the retaining of assets this whole off-season, but some people just refuse to listen to logic on the topic and assume because someone is signed = they will be on this team come the end of camp...

I don't get it either...

[kook_10]

http://www.detnews.c...ough-for-Modano

McCosky is guessing the Wings offered him around $800k. I can't say I would blame the guy for waffling if that was the case.

[FinWing]

I'm just getting the feeling he won't be coming to Detroit. And unless he's really, really willing to play for the Wings I don't like the idea of him on the team. He would probably be more of a liability than an asset.

[hooon]

Everyone seems to be getting hung up on the number of players we have or will have signed once Helm, Abdelkader and Meech re-sign. Everyone should realize that the re-signing of Meech (and depending on what happens maybe even Miller) will be done to retain assets. If Modano, or another forward, can be signed at the moment we'd have 15 forwards going into camp. But that doesn't matter because someone would be moved. If Modano signs that most likely means Miller is moved/waived.

It's the same for a defenseman. If we pick up someone like McKee then Meech will be moved/waived.

Even when looking at our cap number ppl should realize there is wiggle room. You have to be cap complaint at the start of the season but while we attempt to sign another forward and a d-man I believe we can go over the cap by 10% in the summer. So say Modano is signed for $1M and then we move Miller our current cap number only increases by 350k.

So don't get hung up by roster size and the cap number. They're not true numbers until everything is set in stone - which isn't until opening day of the season.

This.

Dunno why everyone is so worried about having too many forwards. Holland has already said they would move people if need be. They will go to camp and compete for their jobs, the best players will get a spot. Whomever we don't need will get traded off... which means we get something in return for their services, rather than just letting them walk.

[stevkrause]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100712/SPORTS0103/7120394/1361/Wings--offer-may-not-be-enough-for-Modano

McCosky is guessing the Wings offered him around $800k. I can't say I would blame the guy for waffling if that was the case.

Why not? He's going to get a few hundred thousand more AT MOST elsewhere and will not have the chance to win another cup that he will here at ANY of those places - he has made plenty in his NHL career and his wife isn't exactly hurting financially either... I could see if someone else was offering, say 1.6+ and we were only offering .8 - As that becomes more about pride than money... but in the grand scheme of things, where he's at in his career, money should not be the deciding factor, or he's still playing for the wrong reasons...

[mmamolo]

I feel like several of us (you and myself included) on this board have been broken records about the retaining of assets this whole off-season, but some people just refuse to listen to logic on the topic and assume because someone is signed = they will be on this team come the end of camp...

I don't get it either...

Problem is some ppl just skim the thread and post responses without bothering to actually take in any information. Ppl need to understand that the Wings are lookign to sign another forward and a defenseman. If they find who they want for the mney they want they'll get signed. If that happens ppl will be moved/waived to make the roster spots. If those players aren't found Holland has stated he's comfortable with who we have. He's basically posturing and not giving up any leverage to anyone.

Let's face facts, we all know Holland wants either a scoring 3rd line centre or a ruggid 4th line winger. It's that simple. Plus a 6th d. He seems to like Janik and ultimately he may end up on the roster but if you can sign a McKee for $1M you take it and Janik gets bumped back to GR.

[newfy]

I feel like several of us (you and myself included) on this board have been broken records about the retaining of assets this whole off-season, but some people just refuse to listen to logic on the topic and assume because someone is signed = they will be on this team come the end of camp...

I don't get it either...

I agree. A lot of people need to realize that signed, is not equal to on the team.

[kook_10]

Why not? He's going to get a few hundred thousand more AT MOST elsewhere and will not have the chance to win another cup that he will here at ANY of those places - he has made plenty in his NHL career and his wife isn't exactly hurting financially either... I could see if someone else was offering, say 1.6+ and we were only offering .8 - As that becomes more about pride than money... but in the grand scheme of things, where he's at in his career, money should not be the deciding factor, or he's still playing for the wrong reasons...

Pride can be a big thing. I'm sure he is smart enough to realize the constraints of what the Wings could provide, but to be wined dined and lowballed might sting for a first ballot HOFer. If he played a full year he could very well put up Bert numbers and end up with Eaves money. Everybody wants to win, but he has a Cup and getting another one is far from a slam dunk so I would bet his motivation in coming to Detroit would be more to take a victory lap in his home town. Taking a contract that is modestly above entry level probably might feel more like charity than something he earned and take away the home town good vibes.

[stevkrause]

Pride can be a big thing. I'm sure he is smart enough to realize the constraints of what the Wings could provide, but to be wined dined and lowballed might sting for a first ballot HOFer. If he played a full year he could very well put up Bert numbers and end up with Eaves money. Everybody wants to win, but he has a Cup and getting another one is far from a slam dunk so I would bet his motivation in coming to Detroit would be more to take a victory lap in his home town. Taking a contract that is modestly above entry level probably might feel more like charity than something he earned and take away the home town good vibes.

The only way I could see it going the other way, is IF pride comes into it, but I do not see how him getting (for arguments sake - numbers are just pulled out of thin air) say 1.2m from Anaheim could surpass 1m here (I also don't think 800k was the offer, just to add to the point)... however, if another team wants to offer him almost DOUBLE, now pride comes into play, just because the - "well they think I'm worth this, so why is your offer so low?!" - thoughts enter...

With all that said, he should know that 1m here is in no way, shape or form a disrespect and the quality of his season and chance to win alone should off-set any negative feelings from a VERY small difference in salary that he may get elsewhere....

[kook_10]

If it was indeed $1M I agree, but I think if it was $1M the deal would be done already. I get the feeling that a cool mil is the magic number which his pride doesn't want to go below. If McCosky is right and its more like $800k, then I could see how a little money could have a big effect and open up salary as a topic of discussion with other teams (which it appears to have done).

[Grim]

well... it was a nostalgic thought that he would sign here. I fully expect to hear a Maltby signing soon. *yawn*

[redwingfan19]

he wants to play on a west coast team and it's obvious. thats if he even still decides to play.

[Jesusberg]

well... it was a nostalgic thought that he would sign here. I fully expect to hear a Maltby signing soon. *yawn*

You mean Maltby isn't signing in Tampa Bay? And we're not trading Draper for a 7th round pick so they can be reunited? Shucks.

Seriously though, I assumed that 900K was the number when they first started talking to Mikey. I would still be fine with 900K, but with all these other teams in the fray now he'd really have to want to come to Detroit because it's Detroit. They other teams can surely outbid us. That being said, I wouldn't want to fork over too much cash anyway. Helm and Abs still need to be signed and while I wouldn't mind losing Miller or Ritola for Modano, I do not want to lose either of the other two.

[esteef]

Remember folks, this could've all just been posturing to get Mikey a better deal somewhere else. The fact that Mike's a Michigan native and the Wings bring in older players frequently just helped sell it more to other potential teams. If that's true, it just goes to show the class of the Wings organization, even regarding players that are not even a part of their team.

esteef

[yzerman_scores]

Remember folks, this could've all just been posturing to get Mikey a better deal somewhere else. The fact that Mike's a Michigan native and the Wings bring in older players frequently just helped sell it more to other potential teams. If that's true, it just goes to show the class of the Wings organization, even regarding players that are not even a part of their team.

esteef

My 2 cents: He may still sign with Detroit, but is loving the fact, and self promoting the fact, that Dallas "dissed" him and he is valued by other teams. Notice that no other teams were interested in him until Detroit was. So its one of 3 things:

1. He wants to sign with Detroit and wants to drive up the offer price (rumored at 1 to 1.5 million, one or two years).
2. He wanted to sign with Detroit, until other West coast teams were interested, which is where his WIFE wants him to sign, and he is using Detroit and other teams as a tool to drive up the price, so he can sign on the West coast.
3. He simply does not know what he wants. Money, or a shot at the cup. A 3rd line center with 2nd line PP, and possibility move up in lines (Detroit), or take more money regardless of team, or Make WIFEY happy at all costs, even over his parents!!!