HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Good for SJ. He's worth a couple of picks, no matter how high they are. This could put SJ in contention for the Cup. I don't see Niklas Hjalmarsson being the guy that puts SJ into the big Cup talks. They "had" a world class goalie which they ran into the ground every single year and now have Greiss and Nittymaki?? Goalies year in year out prove to be the obvious focal point. And Hjalmarsson gets pushed around a ton. Seems like a weaker Kronwall to me, so we shall see. All around though great to see a top 4 D-man leave s***cago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Second - All of your examples were "attempted" - It is yet to be executed and it will not be executed, there is too much bad blood between the leagues for it to ever work and Huet would have to reserve his career to ending in the KHL if this happened, as this would merely suspend his contract and it would have to honored upon his return to the NHL and that would not happen... They weren't all attemtpted, Nylander is a prime example of this. I think what it really comes down to is whether Huet wants to play goal or not. He can try to negotiate a contract with the KHL where he is guaranteed to be the #1 goalie for a team or he can stay in Chicago, make his 5 mil and not be certain whether he's going to play or sit on the bench. They clearly don't have any faith in him and its not certain if he will be the sure fire #1 goalie even if Niemi was to leave. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 I don't see Niklas Hjalmarsson being the guy that puts SJ into the big Cup talks. They "had" a world class goalie which they ran into the ground every single year and now have Greiss and Nittymaki?? Goalies year in year out prove to be the obvious focal point. And Hjalmarsson gets pushed around a ton. Seems like a weaker Kronwall to me, so we shall see. All around though great to see a top 4 D-man leave s***cago. I meant the first part. That last line was sarcasm. The Sharks get predicted to win it all the time, they just never do. I should have used the Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Your arguments are flawed and unreasonable... he could still end up in the AHL (even though there would be ramifications that I doubt Chicago wants) but to even suggest the KHL is asinine... I am pretty positive that Bob McKenzie suggested Huet to the KHL was a possibility...and he is far from asinine... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 I don't see Niklas Hjalmarsson being the guy that puts SJ into the big Cup talks. They "had" a world class goalie which they ran into the ground every single year and now have Greiss and Nittymaki?? Goalies year in year out prove to be the obvious focal point. And Hjalmarsson gets pushed around a ton. Seems like a weaker Kronwall to me, so we shall see. All around though great to see a top 4 D-man leave s***cago. I agree. SJ gets put into the cup talks every year. This guy isn't going to make them worse but he isn't going to put them over the top. They will s*** the bed like they do every year. ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hooon 1,089 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Lets call a spade a spade, for what they were handed by Tallon, they've actually done a pretty good job at least receiving picks for assets to fix the mess they were dealt... it's just SUCH a huge mess, there's no way to fix it outright... it's going to take time, but they are definitely doing a good job with the hand they were dealt... I could maybe agree if they had been able to retain even ONE of Hjalmarsson, Ladd, Versteeg, Byfuglien... who else am I forgeting? They won the cup, and that counts for a hell of a lot, and no one can take that away, but still, I don't see how Stan Bowman has done anything remarkable. All of the picks they've aquired are not a result of great management, they were aquired in spite of bad management. Having draft picks is nowhere near the same thing as having a cup-winning roster. I'd like to see the actual numbers, but how many picks/prospects actually pan out at the NHL level? I also think its reasonable to believe that a good majority of those picks/prospects will eventually be traded again in the next several years when the Hawks finally have some cap and need to get some actual players, instead of the 1 year scrub contracts they will likely have next season. 1 Booster313 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) I meant the first part. That last line was sarcasm. The Sharks get predicted to win it all the time, they just never do. I should have used the Sarcasm over the internet gets skewed a lot lol. But when somebody doesn't give me the sarcasm props it leaves me My apologies for challenging such an honored poster of LGW. Wonder if this leaves them with a shot at Niemi. Edited July 9, 2010 by HankthaTank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 So far, two players who are signed to valid NHL contracts have signed to play in Russia next season. They are Oleg Tverdovsky of the Los Angeles Kings and Stanislav Chistov of the Boston Bruins. The twist as James Mirtle points out is that this (especially in the Tverdovsky case) is being done with the apparent blessing of their NHL teams. http://puckstopshere.blogspot.com/2007/08/hiding-salary-mistakes-in-russia.html Oleg Tverdovsky and his 2.5 million dollar salary were sent to the AHL where it would not have to be paid. He decided that he would rather play in Russia, and signed a KHL contract and was told to enjoy his time back home by the LA Kings, thus stopping him from counting against the cap. It has been done. If Huet would rather play KHL than AHL it can be done. It is not asinine, it is possible. I agree it is more likely he will play in Rockford, but the KHL is a distinct and very possible destination. I agree. SJ gets put into the cup talks every year. This guy isn't going to make them worse but he isn't going to put them over the top. They will s*** the bed like they do every year. ! I agree that this may not put them over the top, but they did need to replace Blake on the point. While this doesn't replace the mold of Blake it replaces the talent level. I agree. SJ gets put into the cup talks every year. This guy isn't going to make them worse but he isn't going to put them over the top. They will s*** the bed like they do every year. ! I agree that this may not put them over the top, but they did need to replace Blake on the point. While this doesn't replace the mold of Blake it replaces the talent level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puckbags 863 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Your arguments are flawed and unreasonable... he could still end up in the AHL (even though there would be ramifications that I doubt Chicago wants) but to even suggest the KHL is asinine... According to you they are flawed and unreasonable but if I had the choice to listen to Bob Mackenzie or you I think my decision would be pretty easy. Chicago has pretty much been faced with every cap related ramification they could imagine, I don't think any immediate ramifications are much of a concern to them. They need to figure out how they are going to ice a team this year and doing some dirty and not so by the book things might be all they have left at the end of the day. They sold out to win a cup, they won their cup and now they are faced with the mess ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 I stand corrected - still not the best relationship between the French and Russians though, so I don't see how that makes it much more of a reasonable scenario... I still think KHL would never happen - too much bad blood between the NHL and KHL... as for waiving, it is possible and I already said that, but it'd be a very bad move on their part as an organization... thanks for the heads up, learn something new every day! I always thought he was French-Canadian... it happens to the best of us lol. for the longest time i thought Simon Gagne was from France Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfaninMA 3 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 ROFL omg stevkraus got destroyed in this thread. 2 redwings4life and Doggy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 ROFL omg stevkraus got destroyed in this thread. Waddya mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 ROFL omg stevkraus got destroyed in this thread. Nobody got destroyed. TO me it has been friendly banter on the legitamacy of the Hawks ability to shed cap space via Huet to make room for Hjalmarsson. I think its just been a debate, no destruction... 2 stevkrause and 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 9, 2010 So Hjalmarsson makes 500k more than Kronwall... riiiiiiiiight 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
55fan 5,133 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Sarcasm over the internet gets skewed a lot lol. But when somebody doesn't give me the sarcasm props it leaves me My apologies for challenging such an honored poster of LGW. Wonder if this leaves them with a shot at Niemi. Oh, pssh. It wasn't a challenge, you were just expressing your opinion. Thanks for the compliment, unless you also left off the I don't know if they'll have a shot at Niemi. Now that he's filed, no one can give an offer sheet. I'm waiting to see what he gets- but that's another thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 So Hjalmarsson makes 500k more than Kronwall... riiiiiiiiight I actually wouldnt mind seeing a Kronwall-Hjalmarsson pairing here.Never would happen.But it'd be sweet 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redwingfan19 293 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 I actually wouldnt mind seeing a Kronwall-Hjalmarsson pairing here.Never would happen.But it'd be sweet same here, for some reason there is something about hjalmarsson that I like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 same here, for some reason there is something about hjalmarsson that I like. He's got the potential to be a big hitter.He's got quite the mean streak,but he's like Ericsson,it only rears its head once in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingsfaninMA 3 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Nobody got destroyed. TO me it has been friendly banter on the legitamacy of the Hawks ability to shed cap space via Huet to make room for Hjalmarsson. I think its just been a debate, no destruction... Called ppl asinine and unreasonable and stuf whilst claiming huet was canadian and saying he couldnt go to khl, etc. just sayin 2 Doggy and redwings4life reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeff48109 474 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 From what I've read, it seems and Huet and the hawks are working out a deal to have him play in Europe. That way, his salary wont count against the cap. they will still have to pay him though (unless the European team is willing to pay part of the salary) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 Oh, pssh. It wasn't a challenge, you were just expressing your opinion. Thanks for the compliment, unless you also left off the No needed. I am of course LGW's primary butt kissa! No Niemi would just become waaaay too much fun and a great outlook on next season. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevkrause 1,247 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 They weren't all attemtpted, Nylander is a prime example of this. I think what it really comes down to is whether Huet wants to play goal or not. He can try to negotiate a contract with the KHL where he is guaranteed to be the #1 goalie for a team or he can stay in Chicago, make his 5 mil and not be certain whether he's going to play or sit on the bench. They clearly don't have any faith in him and its not certain if he will be the sure fire #1 goalie even if Niemi was to leave. Radulov was under contract as well, but once again, is another Russian... as is Tverdosky... most French or English speaking players won't want to go to the KHL unless they are from the North Baltic regions, as the lifestyle is not optimal for non-Russian speaking players and the medical attention is ATROCIOUS and downright dangerous at times as well... Nylander is in the SEL, not the KHL by the way - much better relationship between the 2 leagues I am pretty positive that Bob McKenzie suggested Huet to the KHL was a possibility...and he is far from asinine... Please show me an article from him actually suggesting this as a solution, I am yet to find one. Called ppl asinine and unreasonable and stuf whilst claiming huet was canadian and saying he couldnt go to khl, etc. just sayin I never called anyone asinine, I merely said that the suggestion that the KHL was a realistic destination for a player making 5.6m US (which he would forfeit to jump over there) was asinine - not the person, nor the debate. Nobody got destroyed. TO me it has been friendly banter on the legitamacy of the Hawks ability to shed cap space via Huet to make room for Hjalmarsson. I think its just been a debate, no destruction... That was my point of view on the whole topic as well... I never took anything you said to be disrespectful and never intended any of my points to be either... From what I've read, it seems and Huet and the hawks are working out a deal to have him play in Europe. That way, his salary wont count against the cap. they will still have to pay him though (unless the European team is willing to pay part of the salary) Any sources? If there are credible sources suggesting this, I would genuinely like to read them and I think it would add a LOT more validity to this argument in my mind... 1 Shottis reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mindfly Report post Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) I actually wouldnt mind seeing a Kronwall-Hjalmarsson pairing here.Never would happen.But it'd be sweet I thought more of: there's no way in hell this guy should earn more than kronwall, he's a little bit overrated and looked alot better than what he is playing on the stacked hawks team of 09/10 Edited July 9, 2010 by mindfly 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
germanwing 154 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) I like the bwin - betting odd for the next Stanley Cup-Champion. 1. CHI 7.00 2. WSH 9.00 3. PIT 9.00 . . . 7. DET 13.00 Obviously the cap problems for the hawks haven´t reached everyone! Edited July 9, 2010 by germanwing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) From what I've read, it seems and Huet and the hawks are working out a deal to have him play in Europe. That way, his salary wont count against the cap. they will still have to pay him though (unless the European team is willing to pay part of the salary) Ok, heres the skinny on that: While they can do that, they can't do it till the beginning of the season, meaning that he will count against their cap... so until that point they still only have 3.6 million to play with. So if they match the offer it will eat up their remaining cap space heres how it looks 2010-11 Chicago Blackhawks PLAYER BONUS CAP HIT FORWARDS Jonathan Toews — $6,300,000 Patrick Kane — $6,300,000 Marian Hossa — $5,275,000 Patrick Sharp — $3,900,000 Dave Bolland — $3,375,000 Tomas Kopecky — $1,200,000 Marty Reasoner — $1,150,000 Troy Brouwer — $1,025,000 Viktor Stalberg ($65,000) $850,000 DEFENSEMEN Brian Campbell — $7,142,875 Duncan Keith — $5,538,462 * Niklas Hjalmarsson — $3,500,000 Brent Seabrook — $3,500,000 John Scott — $512,500 GOALTENDERS Cristobal Huet — $5,625,000 * Antti Niemi — $2,500,000 BUYOUTS NONE LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS NONE CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY $4,157,753 CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS ROSTER SIZE 16 SALARY CAP $59,400,000 PAYROLL $61,851,590 BONUSES $65,000 CAP SPACE $-2,386,590 they can go over by 10% meaning they have 3.6 to sign 6 players meaning all players will need to sign contracts at .6 million. Edited July 9, 2010 by Shaman464 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites