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#141 Tommy_Like_Wingy

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:48 AM

He won't.

See the post above yours. It's practically unheard of.

I'm not a fan of the cap, but if you're going to have one, have one. Otherwise get rid of it altogether. This is a ridiculous loophole they left open.


I think they should do what the NBA does with the luxury tax. It's one of the few things the NBA does right. It seems fair for everyone.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:55 AM

boy this deal is certainly a head scratcher even though Kovalchuk is a supreme talent...the terms of the deal rank right up there with that absurd contract that the Isles gave DiPietro a few years back for 15 yrs I believe


No they don't. Rick DiPietro had just finished his second full season, in 123 games played he had 55 career wins, 47 losses, 7 ties, and 6 shutouts. Dipietro makes $4.5m per season through 2021. Dipietro has played only 13 games over the past two seasons due to injuries. So far he has been paid $18m and only played two seasons of more than 8 games played. That kind of cash would make him the highest paid goalie in the NHL.

Kovalchuk has in 8 seasons, 338 goals, 304 assists, 642 points in 621 games, with one 50 goal season and three more 40-goal seasons. Kovalchuk signed up for $5.88m through 2027.

One of the players was signed entirely on potential, one was signed based entirely on performance.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:30 AM

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EDIT: BTW, in case anybody wanted to know, 47 players have ever reached 40 years of age, and 6 players have reached 44 years of age.


According to my figures, it's 58 players who have hit 40 (59 if you count Draper, who will be 40 before his contract expires...and with luck we'll still be playing next May 24th. But not counting a handful of players who played fewer than 10 games after 40 [with a re-exception for Brett Hull, who probably would have played a full season at 40 if not for the lockout]). 5 more (Modano, Selanne, Guerin, Lang, Weight) could hit 40 this year if they play somewhere.

Of the 10 potentially active, I'd say only Recchi has a chance of hitting 44. Maybe a couple others could make it to 42.

Of the 54 retired players, 24 played their final season at 40, 13 at 41, 6 at 42, 4 at 43, and 7 at 44 or higher.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:50 AM


No they don't. Rick DiPietro had just finished his second full season, in 123 games played he had 55 career wins, 47 losses, 7 ties, and 6 shutouts. Dipietro makes $4.5m per season through 2021. Dipietro has played only 13 games over the past two seasons due to injuries. So far he has been paid $18m and only played two seasons of more than 8 games played. That kind of cash would make him the highest paid goalie in the NHL.

Kovalchuk has in 8 seasons, 338 goals, 304 assists, 642 points in 621 games, with one 50 goal season and three more 40-goal seasons. Kovalchuk signed up for $5.88m through 2027.

One of the players was signed entirely on potential, one was signed based entirely on performance.


When your takling about a contract that extends 8-10 years after players normally start to decline, you're banking heavily on potential.

Not saying it's as mind-boggling as DiPietro's deal. That one just can't be fathomed. Everyone knows why this deal was made.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:56 AM

Hey folks new here long time Wings fan just moved to Ky and have no hockey buddies here lol .

This deal is Bs. there is no point in having a cap at all if you can sign players to deals like this I agree .

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:51 AM

I know I'm in the minority, but I like deals like this. It keeps superstars from jumping around the league and it keeps the cap hit low so they can afford other players. Is it cheating? Its shady/ingenious but its not cheating. Their isn't a rule against that type of contract, so its all good. I felt pretty good when I saw Z sign that huge deal last year and knew he was going to be with the Wings for a long time, plus his cap hit won't cripple us and we'll remain competitive. The Penguins are getting killed right now because they have two $8.7 players on their team. As a result, Matt Cooke is their 5th best forward now.

If you want to have a cap, that's all fine and good, but the cost of players is rising faster than the salary cap. If teams didn't make these huge mega deals like the Kovalchuk one, you would eventually have a situation where every team in the league would consist of one or two stars and a bunch of AHLers or a team full of mediocre players.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:16 PM

I know I'm in the minority, but I like deals like this. It keeps superstars from jumping around the league and it keeps the cap hit low so they can afford other players. Is it cheating? Its shady/ingenious but its not cheating. Their isn't a rule against that type of contract, so its all good. I felt pretty good when I saw Z sign that huge deal last year and knew he was going to be with the Wings for a long time, plus his cap hit won't cripple us and we'll remain competitive. The Penguins are getting killed right now because they have two $8.7 players on their team. As a result, Matt Cooke is their 5th best forward now.

If you want to have a cap, that's all fine and good, but the cost of players is rising faster than the salary cap. If teams didn't make these huge mega deals like the Kovalchuk one, you would eventually have a situation where every team in the league would consist of one or two stars and a bunch of AHLers or a team full of mediocre players.


big difference though is Z's contract expires before he can collect an old age pension. what player like kovalchuk plays past the age of 40? if the NHL investigated pronger's contract, this one should be on the table in front of the board pretty soon. this deal can't be legit to the NHL brass.

next we're gonna see kessel signed until the age of 50 by burke...

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:44 PM

I'm a little skeptical about this contract. Yeah, it's not that big of a hit, but the length of it makes me wonder.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 12:59 PM

Hey folks new here long time Wings fan just moved to Ky and have no hockey buddies here lol .

This deal is Bs. there is no point in having a cap at all if you can sign players to deals like this I agree .


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 01:19 PM

Why doesn't every team simply signed all their under-35 players to reasonably priced, 20 year contracts and we can do away with free agency altogether. That way, no team has to worry about keeping their team together and we can suck all the off-season drama out of hockey.


Um, because then if they don't perform well you're stuck with them for their entire career.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:35 PM

TSN reports that the league just disallowed Kovy's contract. link

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:23 PM

NJ looks to be pretty stacked this season with arnott kovy volchenkov tallinder and hedberg.

doesnt really mean much tho we were stacked when we had hossa...

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:26 PM

NJ looks to be pretty stacked this season with arnott kovy volchenkov tallinder and hedberg.

doesnt really mean much tho we were stacked when we had hossa...

Might not have Kovy... We shall see.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:50 PM

Interesting turn of events... Luongo is signed until he's 43, Hossa until he's 42, Zetterberg and Franzen until they're 40, etc. They either need to make some sort of rule against it or allow it, because the line seems pretty clouded to me.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 09:51 PM

Interesting turn of events... Luongo is signed until he's 43, Hossa until he's 42, Zetterberg and Franzen until they're 40, etc. They either need to make some sort of rule against it or allow it, because the line seems pretty clouded to me.


The rule appears to be 44 lol

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:34 PM

So do you guys think this is going to change where kovy ends up? I dont think nj will want the cap hit to be much bigger than it was and kovalchuck won't want less money. Maybe it's back to Atlanta for him? (unlikely) new York islanders or even the KHL.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:32 PM

The saga continues.....



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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:55 PM

Well, why doesn't he just go to the KHL? I'm sure some team over there is willing to pay out the ass for him.





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