HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) Almost every one of Orr's records for defenseman are pretty ridic. I can't imagine the +124 ever falling. That just literally can't happen in this NHL. EDIT: Was actually +124 Edited July 23, 2010 by HankthaTank Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bring Back The Bruise Bros 1,029 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Just unimaginable..the fastest 3 goals is pretty untouchable too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Just disgusting the zone he was in... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Off the Post 11 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 What i don't like about gretzky's points and goals is that the goalies, d, were just plain out terrible. In today's NHL gretzky would be just a superstar but not even close as good as his stats would tell. But i guess he deserves it =/ 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eva unit zero 271 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 One of Gretzky's seasons he was on pace for about 240 Pts through a similar amount of games. The grind definitely takes a toll. Lemieux was incredible but the 'difference' between Gretzky and Lemiuex would be one of the greatest players of all-time (5 harts, 2 cups, 5 scoring titles, etc...) And a healthy Lemieux would have made up for that difference and then some. You forget that Lemieux played through MORE THAN HALF of his career suffering from cancer. Let's take all of the seasons in the second half of his career starting with 1992-93 when he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, and project them to a full season. What kind of numbers does Lemieux put up? He would have gotten at the very least damn close to Gretzky's career scoring numbers. He almost certainly would own the goal scoring record with what, 1000 goals? 1100 goals? 1300? And Lemieux's 1992-93 might have been the single best season of hockey performed by an individual. Gretzky never put up that kind of scoring pace over a full season, and Gretzky had better teammates and didn't have cancer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragonballgtz 273 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) And a healthy Lemieux would have made up for that difference and then some. You forget that Lemieux played through MORE THAN HALF of his career suffering from cancer. Let's take all of the seasons in the second half of his career starting with 1992-93 when he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, and project them to a full season. What kind of numbers does Lemieux put up? He would have gotten at the very least damn close to Gretzky's career scoring numbers. He almost certainly would own the goal scoring record with what, 1000 goals? 1100 goals? 1300? And Lemieux's 1992-93 might have been the single best season of hockey performed by an individual. Gretzky never put up that kind of scoring pace over a full season, and Gretzky had better teammates and didn't have cancer. I'm gonna have to agree with you eva...Gretzky was great and fun to watch but when you watched Lemieux it was just like he was oozing talent. It was like you could even feel how soft he was with the puck when watching him. Fast, slick, softest hands I have ever seen. Edited July 23, 2010 by dragonballgtz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) And a healthy Lemieux would have made up for that difference and then some. You forget that Lemieux played through MORE THAN HALF of his career suffering from cancer. Let's take all of the seasons in the second half of his career starting with 1992-93 when he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, and project them to a full season. What kind of numbers does Lemieux put up? He would have gotten at the very least damn close to Gretzky's career scoring numbers. He almost certainly would own the goal scoring record with what, 1000 goals? 1100 goals? 1300? And Lemieux's 1992-93 might have been the single best season of hockey performed by an individual. Gretzky never put up that kind of scoring pace over a full season, and Gretzky had better teammates and didn't have cancer. Gretzky still holds the record for highest PPG for one season, or any number of seasons. Cancer was the least of Lemiuex's problems. He missed far more games due to back and hip issues. The fact he did not take very good care of himself early in his career (heavy smoker, famous junk food eater and someone who got by on talent a lot more than hard work) coupled with the style of play he had - had far more to do with his games missed than cancer. Ultimately, everything Lemieux 'could' have done, Gretzky did. Edited July 23, 2010 by egroen 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) What i don't like about gretzky's points and goals is that the goalies, d, were just plain out terrible. In today's NHL gretzky would be just a superstar but not even close as good as his stats would tell. But i guess he deserves it =/ I don't think Gretzky would be scoring 200+ PTs in today's game, but 160 seems very doable. Gretzky would have thrived with the increased power play time of today's game and the reduced clutching and grabbing. Obviously he would also benefit from much better skates and stick. If scoring was so easy in the 80s why weren't more doing it? Take the 1987 season, for example: 1 Wayne Gretzky 183 2 Jari Kurri 108 3 Mario Lemieux 107 3 Mark Messier 107 5 Doug Gilmour 105 6 Dino Ciccarelli 103 7 Dale Hawerchuk 100 8 Michel Goulet 96 That is an absurd measure of dominance, and over some none-too-shabby players as well. I do not find it hard to believe Gretzky could do the same to the likes of Henrik Sedin as well. Edited July 23, 2010 by egroen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wally42 1 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 I'm gonna have to agree with you eva...Gretzky was great and fun to watch but when you watched Lemieux it was just like he was oozing talent. It was like you could even feel how soft he was with the puck when watching him. Fast, slick, softest hands I have ever seen. And Lemieux could take a hit without throwing a temper tantrum about it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 And Lemieux could take a hit without throwing a temper tantrum about it... Both Howe and Orr were much better all-around players than Lemieux. Gordie Howe finishing top 5 in scoring for 21 straight years strikes me as one that will be around for a while. Gretzky managed 16. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kook_10 1,705 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 Almost every one of Orr's records for defenseman are pretty ridic. I can't imagine the +124 ever falling. That just literally can't happen in this NHL. EDIT: Was actually +124 The NHL won't double in size again. 1 Original-Six reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HankthaTank 1,100 Report post Posted July 23, 2010 And Lemieux could take a hit without throwing a temper tantrum about it... Do they keep track of that statistic?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeytown0001 7,652 Report post Posted July 25, 2010 And Lemieux could take a hit without throwing a temper tantrum about it... Unlike Messier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
