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#81 Z and D for the C

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:49 PM

He's pretty much insensible when it comes to any players on the Wings who are not named Osgood or Hudler.


Still insensible even with them.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:54 PM

Still insensible even with them.


While I wouldn't be so quick to make a trade for Bolland for any of those straight up, I honestly feel Bolland is/will be the best player out of the 3. He is already the best offensively of the bunch, and has an improving defensive game, and still is extremely young. I still wouldn't trade him upfront for anyone, since I think Flip is just a hair behind Bolland and actually a better value of a cap hit + team chemistry, but just putting in my 2 cents.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:37 PM

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So Filppula, who missed 26 games because of a broken wrist from a hit is more injury prone than Bolland, who missed 43 games last year?

I don't even have the words anymore, eva.


Filppula has had consistent stretches of either missing games or playing through injury and his play suffering because of it. Bolland has one instance of injury.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:47 PM

Yes,Bolland was injured for a good chunk of last year,but when the playoffs came around,he was the definition of clutch.I wouldn't be totally against trading Filppula for Bolland.I still wouldn't trade Cleary for Bolland until we find out how Cleary does coming off his bad campaign last year.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:56 PM

No, I don't dislike them;

They're for the most part equal contributors offensively at this point, but Cleary is very injury prone and Flip somewhat.

Bolland is also the best defensive player of the three.

Bolland has had his own injury issues, but if I have to choose one or the other, I'm picking the healthy young guy right?


One serious injury in five NA seasons and Flip is 'somewhat injury prone'?

If anything, I'd be worried about Bolland's herniated disk that required surgical repair, since that's the kind of injury that could bother a player for their entire career. He's only two years younger than Flip too. Again, I have to ask, are you really referring to Dave Bolland? From Chicago?

It's like saying 'Man, I really wish Flip had a slightly higher cap hit' since they're pretty equal players.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:01 AM

Why is that funny? The wings struggled to finish off the Coyotes and then got creamed by San Jose, and they have done exactly what with their roster that is going to put them over the top? Hudler? lol

Top 6- Franzen, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Hudler, Fillpula, Cleary

Top 6- Kane, Toews, Sharp, Bolland, Hossa, Brouwer

Edge= Chicago- 4 of those guys are still in their early 20's

Top 4- Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, Stuart (Last years whipping boy)

Top 4- Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Hjalmarsson

Edge = Hawks D is much younger, skilled and faster, but the Wings, barely, only because Lidstrom is still better then all of them combined.

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Edge= Niemi. Stanley Cup.

As far as depth, well, to start, any team that has Todd Bertuzzi is only going to go so far, you can make up your mind as to who is better amongst the rest, Ritola, Dowell, Skille, Meech, Lalonde, Miller, Eaves, Kindl, Kopecky, Stalberg etc.



This post is so full of stupid. And I'm not a big insult-people-over-the-Internet person.

The Wings struggled against Phoenix, a tough, up-start, unpredictable team. They did NOT get creamed by the Sharks. They dominated more than half of the series but got hosed on poorly timed 5 on 3s.

And as for the Top 6, Kane, Toews, and Hossa surely is formidable. But so is Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen. I say the Wings have the edge but that's debatable. They struggled because of the team's injuries all year long.

And Niemi was very mediocre. Most people who watched the playoffs remarked that in this case the bad goalies went all the way. It was a crazy fluke, but Niemi was no all-star caliber player. Now, Howard hasn't proven anything either, so neither has an edge here. So Niemi has a Cup, it's not like he was the best player for the whole playoffs. I'd be willing to bet Niemi is a one-hit wonder like so many goalies have been lately.

And again, I'm not sure why saying a bunch of Chicago payers are in their low twenties says anything about their talent now.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:04 AM

Filppula has had consistent stretches of either missing games or playing through injury and his play suffering because of it. Bolland has one instance of injury.


In five seasons in either the AHL or NHL, Flip has played 78, 76, 78, 80, and 55 games.

In four such years, Bolland has played 66, 55, 81, and 39 games. I don't know why he missed so many games from '06-'08, healthy scratch maybe?

But again, given the nature of Bolland's injury last year, I would certainly be more suspect of his durability.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:57 AM

Toews was actually 4th in Selke voting last season.



This I find odd. Hossa is clearly better than Sharp. He's faster, a better shooter, a better playmaker, a better defender. The general agreement on the board is that Franzen>Hudler, and I would especially expect that from you, LW. So I don't understand it unless you're slotting them as a homer to get 1-1 rather than saying Hossa is better than Franzen, and Sharp is better than Hudler.

I would choose Franzen over Hossa. He is clutch, the most clutch player on Detroit, and I've seen no one single handily dominate a game the way he can in some time. Hossa's a beaut during regular season, but Franzen is a mulebeast during the postseason, and Hoss not so much. Im happy management choose the mule over Hossa, he would be more missed then what Hossa has been.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:34 AM

is it just me or did this thread get off topic?

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:36 AM

Bolland? Dave Bolland?

Not saying he's a bad player or anything, but you must really dislike Cleary and Flip to be that enthusiastic about it.


I take it you didn't see much of the Hawks playoff games, eh? I'll give you a hint. Bolland spearheaded the checking line that shut down the Sedin line, the Thornton line and then the Richards line in the SCF. Oh and he's a good penalty killer too! Here's two examples:



Edited by Sarava, 23 July 2010 - 06:36 AM.


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 07:08 AM

Will Chicago be using a short bus for the remaining players when they go to the White House to meet the President?

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:02 AM

I would choose Franzen over Hossa. He is clutch, the most clutch player on Detroit, and I've seen no one single handily dominate a game the way he can in some time. Hossa's a beaut during regular season, but Franzen is a mulebeast during the postseason, and Hoss not so much. Im happy management choose the mule over Hossa, he would be more missed then what Hossa has been.
my "biased" vote: Franzen>Hossa


But the thing is that LW was using regular season stats to support his arguments. So Hossa's regular season performance counts. It still doesn't answer the Franzen vs Sharp, Hudler vs Hossa question.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:15 AM

There's a Hudler vs. Hossa question?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:53 AM

$0.6 million less cap hit according to Capgeek numbers.


I know things are bad when you are making trades to gain 600k in cap space. That isn't even enough space to sign Lebda! :P
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:10 AM

Why is that funny? The wings struggled to finish off the Coyotes and then got creamed by San Jose, and they have done exactly what with their roster that is going to put them over the top? Hudler? lol

As far as depth, well, to start, any team that has Todd Bertuzzi is only going to go so far, you can make up your mind as to who is better amongst the rest, Ritola, Dowell, Skille, Meech, Lalonde, Miller, Eaves, Kindl, Kopecky, Stalberg etc.



Well to that first part, I could point out that the Blackhawks should have lost to Nashville right off the bat but they got saved by an inconsistant call. Hossa should have been kicked out of the game like Ovie was for his "hit" to Campbell.

His was far worse, but the player wasn't injured so he gets to stay in the game and score a GWG? I knew that series was over when that happened. The call goes the other way they might lose that game and the series would have been radically different. I doubt the would have even brought it to seven games, then who wins the cup? Phoenix was in many ways one of the best teams in the league last year. They play a gritty style and had the best goaltender in the west backing them. I feel Chicago would have had a simular time playing them.

The Sharks series... well the Shark series went the way it did because you end your comment with a decent point. Bertuzzi helped us lose that series, not because he played poorly, but because he got several bad calls against him at bad times because he takes his hand off the stick and Refs took any excuse to call one against him and the Wings. That series pissed me off more than any in my memory, save the bunk one against the Penguins, which was even worse.
Some of those youngsters might end up being really great for Chicago, but its hard to say they will be better then established guys. I will say Skille looks like the genuine article, but beyond that you just don't know if any one will translate to the NHL. Plus you lost all your role players in Chicago.

I still think Ladd and Buttfgyinugly were more important to the success of the team than you want to let on. I would have kept them over Hossa, trading him would have been the best course of action, and he wouldn't have minded as he has no loyalties.
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Tootoo does NOT belong on this team. He is classless and I would rather see the Wings be bad than classless. I feel the same way about Bertuzzi as well, but he at least CAN make the team better. With Tootoo the team becomes worse and in danger of being classless. Would you have liked Claude on the team? Or Roy? No. So why would you be okay with that POS.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:18 AM

It seems like most people either way underestimate or way overestimate the effect the offseason will have on the Hawks. I think they will still make the playoffs and whoever said back to the cellar for the Hawks is vastly overestimating the effect. The Hawks fans who think they will be fine are crazy. Good luck when 2 guys on your top 2 lines go down. Ask us fans how that worked out for us last year. This cap situation would be so much better if they hadn't won the cup. That being said their management took a huuuuuge risk and ended up hitting the lottery, basically. Now they have to give a bunch of their winnings to their friends.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:37 AM

We can laugh all we want.....if the Hawks beat our asses (not impossible) or finish higher in the standings, they'll be the ones laughing.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:23 PM

Does this set as bad a precedence as signing a guy only to trade him during the following season.

I mean you trade for a guy and then dump him off, they basically traded Eager, Sopel, Buff for Taffe.

But in there some where Reasoner was a Hawk, for like a minute and a half!

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 12:35 PM

As far as depth, well, to start, any team that has Todd Bertuzzi is only going to go so far.

Still living in 2004 are we? Lets see, what players on Chicagos bottom 6 are better then Bert? Haha, oh yeah, none of them. You got Toews, Kane, Hossa, Bolland, Sharp and Brouwer as your top 6 guys, all of them but Brouwer are clearly better. But no one in your bottom 6 is even close.

God I cant wait until the season starts, you Hawks fans on your high horses are somef****** annoying let me tell you. Even Ducks fans werent this bad in 2007. Your team is getting ripped apart and it's still all sunshine and lollypops, do you honestly believe you guys would've even won the Cup without Byfuglien, Versteeg and Ladd? That's 20 playoff goals gone, 7 game winners. One and done boys :thumbup:

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:29 PM

We can laugh all we want.....if the Hawks beat our asses (not impossible) or finish higher in the standings, they'll be the ones laughing.


I doubt we'll have any problems with Chicago next season. I'll be surprised if they steal more than one game against us.

Does this set as bad a precedence as signing a guy only to trade him during the following season.

I mean you trade for a guy and then dump him off, they basically traded Eager, Sopel, Buff for Taffe.

But in there some where Reasoner was a Hawk, for like a minute and a half!


Uh they got him back in a trade. They didn't sign him and then ship him off. Huge difference, this happens all the time.

Still living in 2004 are we? Lets see, what players on Chicagos bottom 6 are better then Bert? Haha, oh yeah, none of them. You got Toews, Kane, Hossa, Bolland, Sharp and Brouwer as your top 6 guys, all of them but Brouwer are clearly better. But no one in your bottom 6 is even close.

God I cant wait until the season starts, you Hawks fans on your high horses are somef****** annoying let me tell you. Even Ducks fans werent this bad in 2007. Your team is getting ripped apart and it's still all sunshine and lollypops, do you honestly believe you guys would've even won the Cup without Byfuglien, Versteeg and Ladd? That's 20 playoff goals gone, 7 game winners. One and done boys :thumbup:


We've been one and done in the cap era too so far. Come on bro, you call that guy out for living in 2004 and then try to bring up our old championships from before the lockout but then go on to call them one and done?

We like to take pride in the hockey IQ Wings fans have over other fanbases but I read biased stuff like this all the time on here and it makes me wonder.

Edited by Tommy_Like_Wingy, 23 July 2010 - 01:33 PM.






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